this is my truth

Re Freedish

As a counter-argument, specially adapted to your black/white mindset:

"Blessed is the geek, for he shall inherit the earth".

I will ofcourse not stoop to justify, verify or even explain this to my competitors on the 'ultimate truth' market, because I'm obviously right, because I'm right; and I have any number of circle-arguments to prove it.

Opposition to my fanatic elitist truth-monopoly is disqualified already from the start, because it doesn't agree with me, and should it nonetheless arrogantly insist on spreading its false teachings, I'll just get on my propaganda steamroller and repeat my sermons and preachings until it (the opposition) dies from boredom or runs out of energy.

To my knowledge there hasn't yet been created a manual dictated by 'the great Geek' (blessed be his name), geek'ism is still relying much on oral tradition. But we do have a pseudo-academic subject going under the name of 'geekology', where we learn to create evidence fitting to the answer, disregard threatening opposition and reinforce our absolutes by telling each other: "How right we are, brethern and sistren".

Re TomJoad

Personally I sympathize with much in your OP, but you lapse into un-verified 'absolutes' on occasion, which makes the total outcome less convincing.

Ofcourse it saddens me, that you don't have a direct line to the great Geek (again his name be blessed...just in case...he may have one of his bad hair-and-beard days), because if you had, he would ask you about this god to man:

Quote: ["Buddhism explains nearly the same thing without a deity."]

and

quote: ["i get my answers in the form of happenings at the right moment which is the case for a lot of people i know. things that happen at just the right time to confirm a thought or in the form of karmic payment or me paying back. but i have never shaken hands with him. lol"]


You see, I'm in constant and deep contact with the great Geek (b.b.h.n.), so instead he has asked me to ask you, what this "the same thing" (being also in buddhism) is, why karma-theory can be used as a reference-point and why synchronisity isn't just picking similarities amongst the zillion options a human being is exposed to all the time.

It's not, that the great Geek (his nam... oh never mind) is completely dissatisfied with you, you'll not go to the geek'ist hell of manual multiplication and steam-telephones, but you can look forward to a period of purgatory, where only reading of holy books is allowed, except on sundays, where 30 minutes intellectual activity is permitted.

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yea i suppose so.

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yea i guess i got into a bit of a rant without clarity at times. lol sry. im sure the nazis spent most of their time telling each other how right they were also though.

Re TomJoad

thanks for your answer. It was not my intention to backstab you or to diminish what I consider the valuable part of the OP (and later comments).

It's just that there's a tendency to present polarized 'answers', explanations etc up against each other, usually with the same lack of basic support on all sides. Debates thus turn into entrenched positions, instead of using the option of syncretism (which occasionally can be constructive).

E.g.: While I do not consider the book 'The Tao of physics' a conclusive masterpiece, it did give some added perspective (for or against isn't the point) to the emerging quantum-physics, and I've had contact (books or firsthand) with top-grade scientists, who let extra 'speculative dimensions' into their limit-of-present-science advances.

I believe a point in communication per se is the inflexibility of ultimate methods or answers. 'Ultimate answers' are just wishful fantasies and will be for a long time.

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Amen, brother! I couldn't have said it better myself! I wasn't raised Catholic, but I was raised Baptist and when I was older, married a pentecostal preacher. I was married to him for 14 years. You'd think that this would have just brainwashed me, like many of the other people out there, but it actually did the opposite. It opened my eyes!

I ended up divorcing my preacher husband, because we clashed. He was very religious, and I'll admit that at first, I totally got sucked into the whole thing... "my religion is better than your religion, all Catholics, Baptists, and anyone else who doesn't think like we do is going to hell." I didn't stay that way very long though. I began to see through the whole thing. Now, I still call myself a Christian, because I do believe Jesus lived, but I don't believe in the majority of the King James Bible. Like you said, it has been translated so many times and I do believe that certain translators added to it, just to control the masses. I think the KJV is very political and that a lot is lost in translation or just plain left out. There are also contradictions in it. I shared the thoughts of my "enlightenment" with my husband, and he would agree with me, but then go and preach what he had been programed to preach. It disgusted me. It took me a while to get up the nerve to do it, but I finally divorced him and got out of church and I can not even begin to explain how much that helped me!

Here is what I don't get... if Jesus died such a horrible, violent death to "pay" for our sins, and I do believe he did, but my point is... if he died so horribly, I just don't see him sitting on some high and mighty throne, tossing people into the fiery pits of hell for the tiniest little things, or because their religious beliefs didn't agree with someone else's. It's crazy!

Something else that I don't get is that it was ALWAYS preached, "You have to develop a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ!" I agree with that, but how in the world are you supposed to have a "personal" relationship when you have these preachers cramming their own beliefs down your throat and telling you that you'll go to hell if you believe any differently than they do? I hate it.

Once I got out of church, I developed so much on a spiritual level. Church always depressed me. It was so negative. When I got away from it and just started praying and meditating on my own, I felt so uplifted. I believe that God is Love. Now, I can't tell you exactly what I believe "God" is. Is he like a person? Is he the Universe in general? Or is he inside all of us, in our minds, and the only way to connect to him is to forget all the things we've been told to believe and just experience him on a personal level? I think I believe the latter, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm still learning. I still pray to Jesus, but I don't believe any of the religious nonsense I was taught in church. When I meditate and I'm able to get into a deep meditation, I just feel love. IMO, Religion causes hate and that defeats the purpose of it.

Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by freedish

 

Does God answer back? How do you know it's God, and not your sub-consiouss? How do you know he exists for sure? What information do you have that i don't?

I'm not saying "he" doesn't exist, i just want to know how you know "he" does?

also @OP

You would discover you have a 'true' essence that does answer your questions. And what a sense of humor! The Egyptians called it the 'KA". We call it the christ consciousness.

This is one of the most enlightening threads I have read here on ATS. Thank you for sharing OP.

I'll see ya round the forums.

With Love,

Your Brother

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great thoughts! Do you think that when he makes his second coming he will want to see a crucifix at all. it would be like showing a guillotine to those who died on it during the french revolution.

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hi ive just joined ATS, and i am just finding my way around. you make som good points, the way i see it is, that we all keep thinks to our selfs, so it not unreasonable to say that the people inpower government or religious wont be truthful to the people they govern . thank you. from Gary13

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great thoughts! Do you think that when he makes his second coming he will want to see a crucifix at all. it would be like showing a guillotine to those who died on it during the french revolution.

You know what, that is something that has always confused me! Granted, it was his death that supposedly freed us from our sins, so I can "kind of" of understand it, but then again... it's morbid! I'm not sure if he would care or not, but that would be a bit like wearing a symbol with an electric chair or lethal injection needle on it today. Or a noose. It's a little messed up, when you think about it.

I haven't done any detective work to see when the crucifix first started being used as a symbol of Jesus Christ, but it does seem to me that they could have picked better symbolism. I'm not sure what I would put in its place, if it were up to me, but this is something that has confused me since I was a child!

Excellent question! I'm curious as to what others think.

First sin was unnobediance, result of a sin is death, because Adam end Eve did not trust the Lord they died, GOD gives life...and takes it
GOD said whoever sins he must die, this cannot be changed..
To annihilate the first sin we must listen to the Lord, to his commandments, GOD always tests us how much faith we have in him.. He delivered Jews from egypt and they still didn't trust him so he punished them in the desert for 40 years wondering... If we want to prove our trust in him we must have faith in his words, in the bible, in Christ..
Christ was always simbolysed as lamb or fish, cross symbolises tree that Adam and Eve ate from and died because of that. Christ sacrifised himself to ammend His Fathers commandments that whoever sins must die, this is a "law".
It cannot be changed.. However all men sinned and no one could be saved, but Christ lived sinnless and died and conwuered the law and death, he changed it that who ever sinns must die but who ever beleives in him and walk his way he may live trough his blood.
However we have free will and choice wwe can choosse: GOD always gives us a choice: to choose him or other dark side
When Jesus wa to be crucified people choose Barnabas instead of him, Barnabass means "Son of the Father" and Jesus is son of the father aswell . Troughout the history there was always duality cause Sat.an wants to be God and he imitates trinity all the time, his modern works are: Zeitgeist, Da vinci code..and many
eaxample of dualism : Satan created islam to mimic and create parody of true God, Budhism, Communism , and all other movements are to deceive poeple only. All other doesnt exclude any church.. evil is present everywhere.
True faith is not in the buiding or church or with our works, we can not save ourselves with our good works only.. we need to "drink his blood" and to carry his cross: (to follow his way) and to trust Bible, no one comes to Father except trough him,
-Early Christians used fish and Alpha omega symbols...but the symbol is irrelevant, important is to love our GOD and our enemys like ourselves..

Re Tempacc

Last line of defense; .....sermons? Or rather THE sermon, because the one you presented is completely intrinsically identical to dozens of others posted on ATS regularly.

That the whole underlying system of fantasies and assumptions in it has been met, analysed and criticized with considerable success doesn't seem to bother you, as your holy bubble is impenetrable from outside information and communication.

You just take your ideological megaphone and get on the steam-roller propaganda machine once more...and once more...and once more, expecting mankind to submit to your need for 'truth' monopoly and your missionary obsession.

You may believe, that this post of mine is unjustified. That's your persepctive. My perspective is, that you send out self-appointed 'absolutes' without a iota of validation. So if you're interested, I can at the same level as your evangelical non-sense, oppose you step by step with my religion based on the man in the moon (which by the way is made of green cheese).

I don't expect existence to be run on lines of logic, science or common sense exclusively. But to go to the other extreme of avoiding them as if they are plagues needs some explanation.

End of MY 'sermon'. If you can or want to communicate, I'll be around. This is my 'truth'.

Originally posted by tempacc
First sin was unnobediance, result of a sin is death, because Adam end Eve did not trust the Lord they died, GOD gives life...and takes it
GOD said whoever sins he must die, this cannot be changed..
To annihilate the first sin we must listen to the Lord, to his commandments, GOD always tests us how much faith we have in him.. He delivered Jews from egypt and they still didn't trust him so he punished them in the desert for 40 years wondering... If we want to prove our trust in him we must have faith in his words, in the bible, in Christ..
Christ was always simbolysed as lamb or fish, cross symbolises tree that Adam and Eve ate from and died because of that. Christ sacrifised himself to ammend His Fathers commandments that whoever sins must die, this is a "law".
It cannot be changed.. However all men sinned and no one could be saved, but Christ lived sinnless and died and conwuered the law and death, he changed it that who ever sinns must die but who ever beleives in him and walk his way he may live trough his blood.
However we have free will and choice wwe can choosse: GOD always gives us a choice: to choose him or other dark side
When Jesus wa to be crucified people choose Barnabas instead of him, Barnabass means "Son of the Father" and Jesus is son of the father aswell . Troughout the history there was always duality cause Sat.an wants to be God and he imitates trinity all the time, his modern works are: Zeitgeist, Da vinci code..and many
eaxample of dualism : Satan created islam to mimic and create parody of true God, Budhism, Communism , and all other movements are to deceive poeple only. All other doesnt exclude any church.. evil is present everywhere.
True faith is not in the buiding or church or with our works, we can not save ourselves with our good works only.. we need to "drink his blood" and to carry his cross: (to follow his way) and to trust Bible, no one comes to Father except trough him,
-Early Christians used fish and Alpha omega symbols...but the symbol is irrelevant, important is to love our GOD and our enemys like ourselves..

Original sin is absurd.

"Let me create a being with a desire to know."
"Now I will place an object that will feed that desire."
"Now let me punish that being for acting in the fashion I created it."

Your god is either a comedian or simply a story in an old oft changed and much doctored book.
As for satan creating Islam. Well is not his (alleged) original role a tempter and tester of faith ?

The religion that you preach is tangled, mangled and devoid of substance.
No one died for your sins....yet.
The only one that can is you.