Breatharianism / Prana Eating / credible tests, technique?

Why am I even asking about something that seems so obviously crazy and fraudulent as demonstrated by several failed tests and fraudulent individuals (Jasmuheen, Wiley Brooks, etc.)?

Firstly - since it has a long tradition in different spiritual practices (Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) and while one must be careful with taking these at face value, the wide dispersion of the same idea/practice can mean there is some ground for those ideas, but what...?

And second, since food is becoming worse and worse we might reach a point when we would rather not eat anything at all than that crap we will be offered from the mass producing food facilities.

A bit of joking aside - it caught my imagination since some people I personally knew and even respected started to believe it and said it works, unfortunately I am not in contact with them anymore to check directly, but I thought there must be some people here who tried it or know more about it.

I also became interested because there are claims everyone can do it and it seems very easily testable...
So, if we can't test other more obscure claims (clairvoyance, levitation, etc.) this one seems easy to test and to master (so I heard).

Now, I am not prepared to invest ANY money to learn and eventually test it myself, but if someone is enlightened enough to give out the technique FOR FREE I would test it myself and would even invite CREDIBLE scientists to check it if I by some slight chance I subjectively discover it really works - until prooven otherwise even the wierdest thing is POSSIBLE...

I am asking two things - does anyone know and care to share the technique and does anyone know about any succesful and credible scientific tests of any person claiming to live off prana / being breatharian?

And don't suggest those aforementioned frauds or other frauds like Prahlad Jani:

irregulartimes.com...

or Ram Bahadur Bomjan - "The Buddha Boy" - fake as it gets:

www.nhne.org... Ram-Bahadur-Bomjan.aspx

excerpt:

"His fame stems from a 10-month fast, which began on May 16, 2005, when his followers claim he neither ate nor drank, and was sustained by meditation alone - most humans will only survive a matter of days without water.

This led to unfounded rumours that the motionless Bomjan sitting beneath his pipal tree was either a statue or a corpse.

As word spread about his feat, 10,000 people a day began coming to pay homage to him. None of the many pilgrims who filed past his tree spotted anything amiss but they were allowed no closer than 25 metres away.

And for the entire 10 months of his marathon meditation, every day between 5pm and 5am nobody was allowed to see Bomjan, his closest followers screening him from view with blankets."

You can see how fake all those are - always leaving space for doubt - if I would have this ability I would gladly undergo testing by the most sceptical scientists - to ensure they would believe it, since they would be the ones doing the test.

Sooo, if anyone has anything else to share, possibly a peer reviewed scientific test article with credible data for all to check or a technique how to try it out ourselves - please share.

So OP which type of energy do you wish to drain? DO you wish to drain living energy off emotion triggers or the Neitherworld energies from the other side. Im just trying to understand your need to aquire this type of skill, it does seem it could be benificial for eating demons or the Fathers ect.

If you don't understand metaphysics you are truly out of alignment with reality...

I used to sit out in the sun and breath in the energy, sure was better than a caffeine kick.

Have you ever meditated?

The first thing needed is to increase your energy sensitivity. Here's a basic meditation for that...
www.angelfire.com...
As for the Satanic principle of the website, it's based around ancient Paganism.

You know, what druids and other mystics practiced(and still do.) Or are they just con artists?

So, once you can actually feel the prana, you simply breath it in and retain it. This takes practice, as does all energy manipulation. It can get more complicated, but that's the basic premise.

In the end, it comes down to experiencing such phenomenon first hand... much like sungazing.
Hira Ratan Manek is the definitive source on sungazing, the man has not eaten in years.

Once you attain a certain level of 'enlightenment' it is easy to discern real cases from fraudulent ones. Some call this 3rd eye vision. So, I don't bother with scientific claims much. Science is still behind in many areas and deliberately misleading in others.

Actually I want to learn to suck the life force out of the entire human race.

But seriously - I want to try it out - to test it - it seems simple, I don't know why they can't test it properly - it is one of the abilities that (if real) are supposedly easily "learned", so I thought - why not check at least that one personally.

And I have fasted for prolonged times (up to 25 days) in my life and found it beneficial and inspiring, so I have some affinity for that.

Frankly, I regard the whole breatharianism thing as one big farce - but would still like to try it out if someone at least remotely credible would explain the allegedly working technique.

And sure - if it is real it could be very useful - much money saved on food, no problem going on longer hikes without any food or water, etc., hehehehehe...

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
So OP which type of energy do you wish to drain? DO you wish to drain living energy off emotion triggers or the Neitherworld energies from the other side. Im just trying to understand your need to aquire this type of skill, it does seem it could be benificial for eating demons or the Fathers ect.

edit on 1/5/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Mayura
If you don't understand metaphysics you are truly out of alignment with reality...

I used to sit out in the sun and breath in the energy, sure was better than a caffeine kick.

Have you ever meditated?

The first thing needed is to increase your energy sensitivity. Here's a basic meditation for that...
www.angelfire.com...
As for the Satanic principle of the website, it's based around ancient Paganism.

You know, what druids and other mystics practiced(and still do.) Or are they just con artists?

So, once you can actually feel the prana, you simply breath it in and retain it. This takes practice, as does all energy manipulation. It can get more complicated, but that's the basic premise.

In the end, it comes down to experiencing such phenomenon first hand... much like sungazing.
Hira Ratan Manek is the definitive source on sungazing, the man has not eaten in years.

Once you attain a certain level of 'enlightenment' it is easy to discern real cases from fraudulent ones. Some call this 3rd eye vision. So, I don't bother with scientific claims much. Science is still behind in many areas and deliberately misleading in others.

edit on 5-1-2011 by Mayura because: (no reason given)

So, have you REALLY experienced it first hand or are you only blindly believing a (to my senses) very dubious character and sort of a sect? Did you try it out and haven't eaten and drank water for let's say more than 20 days?

I posted these sungazing sites a few days ago to anyone who was interested.

I'm not sure if breatharianism is possible without the pineal gland being uncalcified and awakened again. The pineal gland is sensitive to light and I believe that sungazing helps your pineal gland become uncalcified. When this is done your body can transmute these fine energies, kind of like a plant.

sunyoga.info...

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1. By absorbing you may become a target for carrying so much energy like the biggest piece of pizza in a pie being served to the hungry. If you gain their energy of evol wouldnt you think they would want it back. SO protect yourself as well.. 1 simple accident can have all your energy released along with your life force as well to be reabsorbed. So protect yourself.

2. Visualize your reciever how will it fit you, is it a aura that surrounds you or do you create energy balls to absorb then you absorbe them. Do you sit in one place and let all the eneergy around come to you or do you call it. Or do you wish to generate movements (SEEKER) through different fields of energy taking from the weak evol to strong evol (warning) a simple accident can have all your energy drained if you dont know how to protect from EXISTING FEEDERS IN HIGHER RANKS WHO WISH NOT TO HAVE YOU TAKE FROM THEM AND WOULD NOT MIND ABSORBING YOUR ENERGY.

3. Once you have learned will you get a petty ego and realize you can drain from all of entities (good and bad) chi-chakara-soul-energies and take selfishly only making you more appetizing to the higher ups (fallen) who wish not to even smell your essence. Or will you recognize you have potential to assist your kind and will FEARLESSLY ENTER THIS MINDSTATE TO TAKE ALL THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM MANY (universally).

4. Once complete with your need to aquire this energy will you keep it to ensure your eternal self in DARK REALM or will you submitt it to ALPHA to do with it what must be done.

Good luck friend your are entering a plane where you can be followed to 3d realm by strong 1s who will do their best to (get you um free of that energy in the 3d plane via death sending you there unprepared as PARNA snack.)

BE safe.

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Yes, I have really experienced energy breathing. It's not that big of a deal. Through it, I've also expanded my psychic senses and now perceive things differently than most sheeeple.

I am no longer part of that sect, but the meditations are grade A.

These things take much discipline and time to fully master.

Sun gazing takes 9 months to achieve the end result.

Guess I like food too much.


Don't knock it 'till you try it. That's a always good saying.

Originally posted by MrVortex
Actually I want to learn to suck the life force out of the entire human race.

But seriously - I want to try it out - to test it - it seems simple, I don't know why they can't test it properly - it is one of the abilities that (if real) are supposedly easily "learned", so I thought - why not check at least that one personally.

And I have fasted for prolonged times (up to 25 days) in my life and found it beneficial and inspiring, so I have some affinity for that.

Frankly, I regard the whole breatharianism thing as one big farce - but would still like to try it out if someone at least remotely credible would explain the allegedly working technique.

And sure - if it is real it could be very useful - much money saved on food, no problem going on longer hikes without any food or water, etc., hehehehehe...

I'm a skeptic believer when it comes to breatharian, but only cos I met some rather whacky people around the world that could do weird things others would consider impossible and claimed breatharian was possible but rather challenging.

Recently my best mate met and befriended a young lady in Spain who claims to have lived as a Breatharian for 9 months. She told him it took a long time to prepare for it, and has been putting him through quite intense cleansing and dietary regimes for many months now and he's still nowhere near ready to give it a shot.

So again, I'm a skeptic, but if it is doable, I don't think it's a walk in the park and have never heard anyone claim as such. All comments I've heard directly or via 3rd parties have been that it's a highly advanced technique for seriously connected adepts only

I believe ATS member Drew Hempel has some experience in this area, perhaps you can U2U him unless he already posted.

IMO, those who can aren't going to tell, or at least, they aren't going to be hangin' out on ATS

In Qi Gong it is called Pi Gu - but I don' t think they try to maintain it for extended prolonged periods. More a supplemental to fasting, for health and cleanse. I have small book by a man named Tom Tam, Oriental Culture Institute. I think Mr. Tam is still in practic in the Boston area. One of his students, who has studied with him for many years and traveled with him to China - "ties up the stomach" after his Qi Gong classes if you ask him - a very strange sensation, that I wanted to be skeptical of - but felt personally. Very interesting.
I am but a newborn in Qi Gong - but the method is very facinating.

I've never tested myself with an extended fast, but I am confident that I COULD live off meditation and sungazzing.

When I do these two things, I lose my appetite and feel so renewed and fresh. Combined with what I know about the world, and the numerous accounts of documented proof of others who have fasted. Unfortunately, food is one of my greatest desires which I've yet to ultimately conquer. I have a deep intimate (not sexually, lol) relationship with food since I experienced a lot of trauma as a child, got depressed, became obese, and used food as an outlet. I did conquer this for a while a few years ago, but instead turned to the other extreme and counted every calorie I consumed (I was eating very healthy, working out, and was fit like a UFC champ) but the mental obsession was unhealthy.

I do not think it would be wise to jump into this without a lot of training. Particularly meditation study, self examination, and learning about your body and energy.

I'd also be hesitant to eliminate water, as I know that one practitioner was able to keep his body hydrated by re-up taking wasted water from his bladder. Though I don't know if this is trained or natural? Also consider things such as sweat from normal daily activities.

Good luck to you!

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Yeah i could never get myself to drink my own pee. lol.

Originally posted by mayabong
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Yeah i could never get myself to drink my own pee. lol.

He didn't drink it, but tests showed that his body simply re-absorbed it. The very small amount was continuously recycled.

Though, I heeded warning because if you think about it - any sweat from normal daily activity (work / walking) would cause you to lose hydration and never get it back.

I am quite convinced that also the mentioned Hira Ratan Manek is another in the line of frauds. I won't experiment with real breatharianism, at the time being I am convinced it's a fraud.

Prolonged fasting is very interesting and useful thing to do - check credible sources on how to do it, but there is no problem for a healthy human being to fast up to 21 days and even a few more (some say even up to 40), purely on water (I wouldn't go on water for more than a week personally) and freshly squeezed juices. It is purifying and it has also interesting psychological effects, but breatharianism (no food no water ever) is a FRAUD, because everyone involved in it turned out to be shady about it and hiding and manipulating facts and there is still no CREDIBLE scientific study. It should be easy to check and do a proper study - just properly monitor the guy who doesn't drink and eat for 40 days and more and you have your proof - that has not happened yet as you could find out if you research deeper and don't believe the hype. I am still inviting anyone to post some credible scientific research about it. All the well known cases turned out to be frauds and manipulations.

I know a few scientists and mathematicians personally and they are people like the rest of us, and I know such a phenomenon would be studied seriously if real - there is no need to hide and conspire about it - the problem is - it is obviously not real on anyone engaged in this activity and even promoting seminars or books should be interested in inviting scientists for a REAL, recorded and published test - it is really not that difficult to spend a couple of months properly monitored and allowing scientists to publish the results which would then really make such a person into a special case - but obviously people are gullible enough to accept even such manipulatory and shady evidence and hearsay about "scientific studies" as satisfactory, although there are NO credibly published detailed research papers from respectable (or even less respectable) institutions... There is only hearsay about "research".

Another fraud:


(source: wikibin.org...)

Hira Ratan Manek


Hira Ratan Manek (born September 12, 1937) claims that since June 18, 1995, he has lived exclusively on sunlight and water. He says sunlight is the key to his health, citing the Jainist Tirthankara Mahavira, ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Native Americans as his inspiration.
According to his website, three extended periods of his fasting have been under observed control of scientific and medical teams. The first lasted 211 days in 1995-96 in Kolkata, India under the direction of Dr. C. K. Ramachandran. The second lasted 411 days in 2000-2001 in Ahmedabad, India under the direction of a 21 member team of medical doctors and scientists led by Dr. Sudhir Shah and Dr. K. K. Shah, the acting President of the Indian Medical Association. Dr. Sudhir Shah won an award for his synopsis. It is, however, worth noting, that the aforementioned synopsis has several faults undermining its credibility, among these a gullible reference to the . A similar reference to the same myth can be found on Hira Ratan Manek's official website.
The third study lasted 130 days in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at Thomas Jefferson University and University of Pennsylvania under the direction of Dr. Andrew B. Newberg and Dr. George Brenard.. However, contact with Dr. Andrew Newberg has revealed that Hira only stayed at University of Pennsylvania for brain scans on studies of meditation, not his ability to fast indefinitely. Dr. Andrew Newberg had denied ever undertaking the 130 day study.
There are reports that NASA expressed interest in Mr Manek. On the other hand, Dolores Beasley, a Nasa spokeswoman, says this never occurred and is an invented story..
In January 2007, his scheduled lecture at IIT Bombay was not allowed after a student complained illegality of his claims and actions to police.
In a November 14, 2007 interview with Paula Gloria of Rabbit Hole Central TV he talks about how he learned to sustain himself from the energy of the sun. Apart from quoting from newspapers and third party sources, he does not provide evidence from any original scientific research that can support his claims.

MrVortex: The guy I am talking about who was shown to recirculate his bladder water was a scientific study, and was in monitored containment for longer than 40 days.

I wish I could remember where I read the article, but unfortunately I don't have it saved.

Maybe someone else can come to my defense? Otherwise, it doesn't matter. To each their own.

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Look i admire your quest for proof. Even protracted Very Low Calorie Diets are very dangerous without medical supervision. I have first hand experience of the side effects.

I think a key thing to know... I mean know.

Know.

... is that people who can accomplish such feats have already realized that they have nothing to gain, but in fact, have things to lose, by publicly proving their success. It's part of a doctrine of detaching from attachments. Spirituality.

In your own quest.... If you deny, you will be denied.

Science is not absolute.

Yes, the eternal argument or question of "faith". Can you KNOW if you don't "let go" and have faith... Hmmmm....

But I am not denying in advance, I am always genuinely curious, but also don't ACCEPT in advance, I enter the situation without belief and without prejudice, ok, in this case all the evidence makes me believe the contrary, but I can still manage enough "openess" to leave the possibility that it might be possible, just that there are many frauds abusing the idea...

Science is not absolute, but in this case it would be easy to apply it and verify if humans can really do that kind of thing - live without food and water... That would really be revolutionary, but somehow it remains in the obscurity of the domain of "strange ideas" and some rather creepy personalities...

Should I believe such shady characters without real proof and try it out and possibly damage my health?

If someone openly claims that ability s/he should get properly tested. If they have nothing to gain from that, then they should not charge for the books and seminars based upon such claims with no reliable evidence.

Originally posted by derickonfire
I think a key thing to know... I mean know.

Know.

... is that people who can accomplish such feats have already realized that they have nothing to gain, but in fact, have things to lose, by publicly proving their success. It's part of a doctrine of detaching from attachments. Spirituality.

In your own quest.... If you deny, you will be denied.

Science is not absolute.

edit on 10-1-2011 by derickonfire because: (no reason given)

The annamaya kosha is the result of the pranamaya kosha, not the opposite. The best way to receive prana is to leave Prakriti alone, to become the Purusha (the detached witness) and, in my opinion, Jnana Yoga is the ideal tool.

Been studying photosynthesis in college.

Isn't it interesting that in simplest terms - every living thing on Earth is alive because of the consumption of LIGHT molecules?

Clearly, humans don't have chlorophyll (though I know of some that would argue this) - but this concept is still interesting, intriguing, and beautiful.