Europe To Ban Hundreds Of Herbal Remedies

reply to post by RogerT

Monavie sells gel caps of vegetables and fruit that are harmless, non-toxic and contain nutrition that the body needs (presumably - I'm not well up on Monavie - I thought Juice Plus was the old NSA product). Big Pharma sells toxic chemicals that kill people. Millions of people. And they know it. And so do the white coated professionals that push their products onto unaware and trusting clients. If you can't see a difference there, then I can't help you, sorry.

Well I don't want to get to bogged down on this but FYI Monavie endeavored to start its' snake oil sales around my way back last year. I among many others lodged my concerns with the relevant food standards agency and consumer protection agency.

Despite Monavies' fantastic wonder drink claims their miracle juice contained at the time Sodium Benzoate and they point blank refused to state on their product how much of their majik fruit was actually in the bottle.

In the UK as whole Sodium Benzote was ear marked back in 2007 ish for phasing out by 2010 needless to say big pharma with fingers in big pies along with the juju salemen of big companies like monavie will fight tooth and nail to prevent it. As you know as well as I big bucks normally shuts down anyone attempting to stand in the way but fortunately so far for Monavie at least their really struggling to get their majik snake oil shifting around here.

Professor Peter W Piper of the University of Sheffield claims that sodium benzoate by itself can damage and inactivate vital parts of DNA in a cell's mitochondria. Mitochondria consume oxygen to generate ATP, the body's energy currency. If they are damaged due to disease, the cell malfunctions and may enter apoptosis. There are many illnesses now tied to DNA damage, including Parkinson's and other neurodegenerative diseases, but above all, the aging process in general

Is it too much to ask that food be correctly labeled ? How many wine lovers do you think are aware that much of their favorite tipple may contain strange ingredients like fish by product ??

reply to post by Long Lance


With respect I used that particular article from QW to demonstrate what I was talking about in relation snake oil companies using big bucks to dress up their piss in a bottle. Indeed I share many of the concerns of others in relation to the FDA and hope that the UK version FSA don't end up as equally corrupt.

At the end of the day I am resigned to the fact that money talks and big money merely whispers.

Originally posted by stumasonA couple are facing a total ban, however, as they have been linked to actual deaths.

And if you think that is a good idea then you would support the banning of just about every single pharmaceutical ever produced.

In fact, if a link to death is a suitable excuse for a total ban, then we should ban allopathic medicine completely (as well as smoking, drinking alcohol, skiing, riding bicycles, driving, walking across the street). In fact, why not just ban life, as that is certainly linked to actual death.

reply to post by The Djin


I'm all for labelling, as long as it is across the board (GMO etc).
It's the regulation, licensing and banning of plants that I'm 100% against.

PS. As I stated previously, IMO and IME 99% of natural remedies and protocols are next to useless when it comes to 'serious ailments', which is why they are dangerous, not because they are actually toxic. Unfortunately, it's usually the 1% that are effective that fall under the banning and licensing hammer. My rule of thumb: "if you can buy it in the high street from a chain store, it's most likely garbage".

With four months to go before the EU-wide ban is implemented, thousands of patients face the loss of herbal remedies that have been used in the UK for decades.

So if I am dying from a type of cancer, and I know someone who survived a similar cancer using something "not approved", then I no longer have the right to try it?

Under EU law, statutorily regulated herbal practitioners will be permitted to continue prescribing unlicensed products.

Oh. So I can as long as I can obtain a prescription for it. As long as a so-called "expert" approves it.

Well as far as I am concerned, if an "expert" cannot have a 100% success rate curing a certain disease, they should be stripped of their title of "expert". An given the title of "wannabe" instead.

Start providing us with 100% cures, or leave us to decide instead!

Originally posted by lewman
reply to post by RogerT

 

i never said vitamin c is not beneficial,of course it has benefits just like many other vitamins but it is not a cure for aids or the cold like patrick holford says.
also there are alternative medicines out there that amount to a dilution of one particle to a swimming pools worth of water and other ingredients. the point that ben goldacre tries to get across is that a healthy diet of natural vitamins etc... is way better than a vitamin pill.
he is also a pain in the neck for big pharma, he is not on there payroll and he is constantly trying to discredit there biassed medical tests.

I take 2-6 grams in my juice, which is warmed with virgin coconut oil melted. I also use orgeno oil. I just kicked a broncritis away, it took about 3 days to make the turn arourn, with 6grams of this, 2 X 3 times a day, as I didn't want a 3rd dose of antibiotics. This has occurred every time I've tried. Vit C does not just PREVENT, it overcomes disease. And there will be 100% NO TOLERANCE of German style nutrients, where they get perscriptions for tiny doses, and pay many times more, as the pharmeucticals make them.

I decide what and when I put something in my body.

reply to post by The Djin


the issue i have with this type of legislation is that taxation includes the ability to destroy and regulation, if applied similarly, results in an effective ban. Plant derived products will typically vary more than pure chemicals, unless you heavily process them, which would make them indistinguishable from normal medication and drive up costs.

the FDA and legislators have shown a willingness to distort and lie in the past, based on undisclosed but quite obvious interests, EU counterparts will if anything (traditionally) be more restrictive and now have the opportunity to stealth ban anything.

i am well aware of the potential problems caused by this type of thinking because i am currently regularly using two varieties of 'quack' cures, one of which i currently need dearly, that are only available for officially non-medical purposes and despite of what Muzzleflash said, people who even show the faintest of interest in medical topics are clearly an extremely irrelevant minority, so any protest would invariably become the next 100-losers-march everybody thinks is funny and achieves at best nothing, and is at worst just instrumentalised.

Pau D'Arco tea is one thing I would be taking in large doses for any kind of cancer, my friend refused radiation, due to the vicinity of the lump removed for her breast, and went to a Naturopath, was eating tons of raw cabbage and beet salads amongst other things, and still drink the Pau D'Arco. In fact I intend to stock up on this stuff soon, tastes great as tea and has had results in studies.