The Jet Stream Really IS Acting Freaky!

reply to post by crimvelvet

In other words there has been a lot of changes lately and all of them effect the weather!

Thanks for your summary in layman's language. I really appreciate that. I also agree with your final statement. My conclusion is that there are so many factors affecting weather that it would be near impossible to predict what the future might bring. Things could go dramatically one way or the other, and the causes would be primarily out of our control.

Our responses are within our control, and we need to prepare, so the more we look at it the better. We might not get it perfect, but if an ice age is coming then there are some things I need to be doing.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by jennybee35

 

No thats incorrect

The reason for the cold weather is La Nina, which affects the jetstream. Ive said it already dozens of times here....I do actually monitor the weather for a living. They have a relation, but the main cause is La Nina

You must remember, while the east coast of Australia has been suffering colder and wetter weather than normal, the entire west coast where I live and work has just gone through our driest year on record and late winter, spring and the start of summer, have been a lot hotter than normal.

I really wish I could explain more to you guys, but everytme I say something I get accused of covering up for weather modification or nobody believs me.

I guess when we found out earlier this year that La Nina was becoming more prevalent (thanks to the climate section at work), I shouldve expected this from ATS

Ditto, i tried creating a thread and debunking the million other Ice Age threads going about but it seems that Denying Ignorance is not the right thing to do on ATS anymore...

What it does do though is highlight the people who have no idea about basic things such as weather and those who are out solely to frighten people...

reply to post by GirlGenius


To answer your question, no, it is not normal for weather systems to loop back like that over Canada. I live here. It looks like what is happening is that the system that normally would travel accross to Europe and bring them damp weather has instead turned back around heading over Northern Canada. Our East coast is inundated with flooding. Where I am we are mainly just having below average temps after a couple of years of nice mild winters.

I personally can't understand how oil in the Gulf of Mexico could have that big a role to play, but given how many factors go into making weather, it is but one of many, and probably not a very big or long term one.

We do seem to be on the brink of a huge and possibly long term change. As has been reported it doesn't need centuries to evolve but drastic changes can happen fast. Are we approaching one now? I don't know but it sure does feel like it.

reply to post by crimvelvet


I've known all that for quite a while but thanks for commenting. I am sure there are some who are still unfamiliar with Eustace Mullins' work, perhaps even Perkins although he has done a lot of interviews. I wouldn't put anything past them! Good recommendations

reply to post by wayno


Thanks for your input. So I will take it that this is something new. I do believe that we are heading into something "different" but I agree that the GOM is only a small piece.

reply to post by OzWeatherman

SST Graphic from 12/25/2009
SST Graphic from 12/23/2010

Spot the difference Weather Man !

reply to post by GirlGenius

I do believe that we are heading into something "different"

Well we will soon see if the sun actually has any effect on the weather. This is the weirdest Solar Cycle I have ever seen! Solar Cycle 24 was supposed to peak some where between 2011 and 2012. CLICK

Latest sunspot graph HERE Even with the constantly revised downward projections by Dr. Hathaway the sun is STILL way below expectation.

This however is what is really worrying GRAPH 1 and GRAPH 2 The F10.7 flux should soon be shooting up towards 200 but it still shows no signs of getting out of the basement. (NASA paper)

The Ap Index is a measure of changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as an interaction of the ionosphere, magnetosphere and solar radiation. You can read the technical description HERE Again the Ap Index is flat lining.

Do not forget there is a relationship between Ap and cosmic-ray intensity. This relationship is shown to be consistent with Parker's solar-wind theory of the modulation of cosmic rays.

CERN is conduction experiments on Cosmic rays and cloud formation using cloud chambers. Their web site says:

Cosmic rays are charged particles that bombard the Earth's atmosphere from outer space. Studies suggest they may have an influence on the amount of cloud cover through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that seed cloud droplets). This is supported by satellite measurements, which show a possible correlation between cosmic-ray intensity and the amount of low cloud cover. Clouds exert a strong influence on the Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few per cent have an important effect on the climate. Understanding the underlying microphysics in controlled laboratory conditions is a key to unravelling the connection between cosmic rays and clouds....

Yes Virgina WE do live in interesting times.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Your posts continue to be very informative.

The data all seems to suggest that we are in a period of high turbulence so to speak. Everything measurable, weather wise, is reading like an anomaly, off into the relative extremes.

You have to wonder how long this turbulence will last and what will be the outcome.

Are you developing any cogent thoughts on where we might be heading?

reply to post by crimvelvet


Thanks for all your good research and input. I know that there have been other threads about the jet stream lately that got chewed up and spit out, but I just can't see how this can be ignored. Even the experts are puzzled and unsure whats gonna happen. Today, Christmas Day, here in Louisiana, we are supposed to have SNOW!!

No one I've talked to can ever remember our having snow on Christmas day. It's insane! We have spent many Christmases in short sleeves, sweating and miserable, but never one with snow.

reply to post by wayno

Are you developing any cogent thoughts on where we might be heading?

Here is my silly wild donkey guess.

I think we are going to see a net increase in cloud cover that translates into cooler weather over all. That seems to be what the Earthshine data shows and what the CERN cloud/cosmic ray experiments predict from our quiet sun.

With the PDO (pacific) switched to the cool phase while the AMO (Altlantc) is still in the warm phase I think we we continue to see these crazy weather patterns for a few more years until the AMO goes cool.

The crazy weather patterns are the jet streams looping more toward the equator and forming blocking patterns. That is where the same weather system will stall over a place for a week or so. Also because of the "loop" you will get frigid weather in one area (Cold air sucked down from the Arctic or Antarctic) and next door hot weather (warm air sucked up from the equator) I am just hoping we do not see a return to dust bowl conditions in the USA.

The blocking also means the air does not mix as well so you get more extremes.

Now we just hope we do not get a major volcano, especially in the equator area, to really muck up the weather. The position of the volcano matters as well as whether or not it is violent enough to toss dust into the stratosphere.

reply to post by crimvelvet

Here is my silly wild donkey guess.

Actually nothing silly at all in your very "educated" guesswork or should I say analysis.

Thanks, Not sure I feel any more at ease, but I think the trend line is notable. We know for sure there will be volcanic activity. Lets hope the luck of the draw places them where they'll do the least harm.

The midwest of the United States needs 100 years of heavy rain.

The last decade has been a drought for them and Corporate Farming has had to pump irrigation water from water wells. Every year the water table has been dropping 3 feet from all the water they've pumped out making the world food.

We need a good ice age with lots of rain in the summers as well to refill our water tables, lakes, and clean the environment we polluted heavily over the last 60 years.

What the JetStream is doing is good for America and the world. Plus the social consequences will bring people back together from the suffering we'll endure as well.

The balance of the bio-sphere is a finicky and fickle thing. Obviously mother nature is looking out for herself and not us. Our task is but to roll with the punches and hope we can adapt, quickly, to whatever she feels like throwing at us, and it could be anything.

This big earth that we grew up picturing as a big, lumbering stable place on which to live is anything but.

reply to post by Pervius


There is such a thing as too much of a good thing! We've had so much rain the last few years that there are ditches starting in many otherwise unaffected parts of our property. We had to have rock dumped at a number of places just to retain access to certain fields. I can see more starting. The erosion is terrible and it is due to these insane weather extremes!

reply to post by ATSCurious


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This could be yet more anecdotal evidence that the prolonged solar minima which started around 2007 continues to influence the UK's climate.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by theblackirish7
Alex Jones had a guest on a wile agao that said Janet Napolitano had told a friend "go home get 6 months of food, do this today I cant tell you why just do it". is that just Alex being Alex or does it have something to do with a new little iceage.

Small question:

What good would it do to have six months worth of food on hand for a potential disaster? If things really got that bad, wouldn't bands of looters with a week or two be breaking into everyone's houses and stealing everything? Unless one has some sort of secure bunker or something, I fail to see how saving this much food would be worthwhile, unless you found some spot in the remote wilderness and buried it there, and then returned to this location in the event of a catastrophe.

reply to post by IamCorrect


I'm pretty sure we would all instantly turn into looters if this occurred. I really hope this event doesn't happen, and that governments are well prepared for it if it does. The government will save us, right???

reply to post by IamCorrect


Don't advertise your 6 month stockpile. EXCEPT....try to convince your close friends, families, and neighbors to also have decent stockpiles. No need for Conspiracy Theory, just a good idea to always have a couple of months supply in case of hurricane or snowstorm or tornadoes or power outtages, etc.

If a lot of your friends, families, and neighbors are prepared, then there is less chance of looting, and more chance of cooperation.

On another note, the most violent and unprepared looters will kill each other off over the first week or two of panic. If you can stay in and out of sight, most of the violence will subside.

On a final note: you should also be well armed and fortified in your own home. Looters will be hitting retail stores not residences. You should be able to defend your home against everything short of the military or a well-organized gang. Those two concerns won't be involved for at least the first month, and by then, if things really are bad, you should work on organizing your neighbors and defending your neighborhood as a whole.

An example of this happened to a friend of mine's grandfather in Panama. They did not support the regime, but they also did not support the US troops on their land. They fortified a neighborhood, blockaded, armed up, and they met all troops at the entrance and declared their neutrality and willingness to defend their own homes. Both sets of militaries decided to not waste resources in that neighborhood, they were left untouched as the conflict raged around them!