Need Opinions/Advice Regarding A Public School Battle

reply to post by TedHodgson


They have been given all of the information they are entitled to according to the laws of my state.

reply to post by serendipitynow


So ridiculou, public school. However, it is "public school" so provide them with the necessary paperwork. My 5th grade daugher is requesting for her Christmas present "to be homeschooled." Now how sad is that? She can't stand the "blah, blah, blah," and the loud teenagers and it's boring. She is ten years old.

reply to post by thegoodearth


I was going to offer up a letter in "good faith".

This is only happening with us, in the public school that my child attends.

The school has no policy of its own, like that which you mention. If they did, according to state law, I'd have to abide by that, which I would not have a problem with. However, this school does not have any additional policies and has stated that their only policy is to follow the state law - the state only requires that a physical be completed prior to or upon first entry into the public school system. If a school is to require anything additional, they need to implement a policy, according to state law.

Update

I wrote a letter stating the date my child had a physical and that there were no restrictions and had my doctor stamp it. The school already had this information and had obtained verbal confirmation from my doctor. I then wrote a very well worded letter explaining that I was offering this as a good will gesture, explained that according to both state law and their own policy I was not required to provide them with anything that they did not already have. Also, that they already have more documentation on file for more child than most of the other students. I then very diplomatically hinted at the fact that they must have more important things that need their attention, as I most certainly do I forwarded this to the Principal, the Superintendent, and my doctor.

The Board of Education was very interested in this situation as statute has to be followed and they not only were ignoring it, they were attempting to misconstrue its meaning in order to bully/harass.

The prinicipal could not thank me enough for being so generous.

The Superintendent wrote me a note expressing more of the same.

The doctor phoned me, asking me what, exactly their problem was and told me he was removing all correspondence from the school from our file. He had never heard of anything so ridiculous.

reply to post by serendipitynow

Did they ever give you a good reason WHY they wanted to see the results of the physical in your child's case? Was there a compelling reason to withhold it?
I am just curious. I remember the case of the Olympic runner from Africa that just blew away all of the other women. "She" appeared to be a man...at least in a lot of peoples view.
Not saying this is the case here at all. It is just that sometimes things aren't quite so simple.

reply to post by serendipitynow


I would just do the physical. There are all kinds of things for which you need to provide one - contact sports for example. My guess is that there is a liability protocol with the school where they have been sued "Well you should have known my child had asthma or this or that alergy" and now something happened to them and the school gets jammed up.

Under HiPAA you do not have to share medical information with anyone not directly involved in the management of your care (Insurance Company) or your treatment (Physician or Clinician/Nurse) or the Parents of a minor child.

Hospitals and doctors can not release the information to anyone without your consent nor are you required to divulge ANY information regarding injury condition or illness to your employer. However, understand that should you chose not to they can deny you special considerations under the disability protections and such.

There is one exception to this rule and that is in cases of public health - meaning communicable or infectious disease a doctor is required in a lot of instances to inform the state health authority who then could inform your employer for the good of the general public.

With regard to schools this is why immunization information is required to be submitted - for the protection of others.

However, if you do not wish to divulge your child’s health information regarding any medical conditions to the school you do not have to unless it is a requirement for participation in extracurricular activities, like sports.

Then it is usually not a result of examination type document rather it is a certification from the physician that in his opinion based on an exam and medical history that the child will be able to safely participate.

Again, I think someone said that if you do not disclose a condition like say bee allergy or asthma to the school then don't expect them to afford your child any special considerations.

reply to post by serendipitynow


I commend you on knowing the law and sticking by it even when being bullied to do otherwise. All too often we opt to comply, simply because it’s the easiest way out. Knowing our rights, and what we are required and not required to do, is one of the most important things we can do to preserve what little freedom we still have.

Fight it!!!
Do everything in your power to not bow down before the school's presumed authority
Go to the school board meetings
Hire a lawyer
Fight it tooth and nail on principle

or
realize the fact that school is tough enough on kids, the school has a "right" to the information, and that by complying to the request and giving the nurse what she needs, there will be one less person in the school that hates your kid

Or stand up for your principles and cost the school district a whole bunch of money that could better be spent on the administration doing their jobs as opposed to engaging in a battle of "legal" terms with you
Whichever you think is right

reply to post by Golf66

Funny you mentioned immunization records. Why should anyone have to be immunized to protect others? Aren't immunizations meant to protect the one getting them?
Even with no real proof they work, they come up with this crap, too. "YOU need to be immunized to protect ME"!

Wow I can't even imagine having to show medical records to a school in the first place. They don't do that in the UK.

Good on you for not being pushed around.

reply to post by serendipitynow


Good for you! Well handled.

You serve as a fine example of someone who civilly and justifiably stood against an overreaching bureaucracy.

Little horrors produce substantial risk for greater horrors to follow.

Ridiculous some of the responses you received in this thread.

It's like there were a bunch of TSA agents responding to your posts...

reply to post by Stewie


Perhaps you should educate yourself on the matter instead of relying on your own flawed reasoning. Your refusal to get vaccinated puts others at risk of contracting the disease. In order to protect a population effectively against diseases, a very large majority need to be immunized. When this population immunity is achieved, everyone is protected, even the few who aren't immunized since the spread of the disease is prevented thanks to everyone else being immune.

Would you rather live in a world where smallpox and polio ran rampant?
The efficacy of vaccines is self evident. Thousands of people died of polio each year up until 1961. That was when the Polio vaccine was created. Now the disease is practically eradicated worldwide. That wouldn't be possible if everyone refused to get immunized when the vaccine came out.

Herd Immunity

reply to post by Epiphron

Flawed reasoning?
Vaccines have not been proven to work. In fact, all of the major infectious diseases that I have seen data on, the incidences were falling dramatically WHEN the vaccines were introduced. In some cases, they took an upward turn AFTER the vaccines were introduced, but then fell again.
Infectious disease stopped killing people on such a large scale because of clean drinking water and sanitation. Try to get a vaccine against dirty needles! Heck, let's all do it because certainly someone will not clean their needle before they inject poison into themselves.
The vaccine nonsense is scare tactics and big pharma.
Vaccines are unnatural, and the harm FAR outweighs the good.
This is for YOU to research, not for ME to convince you.