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Originally posted by Danbones
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jones nano thermite peer review
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good to see that arguement is a two way street....
Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Varemia
if you release a simulation you release the data to be entered in an appropriate program so that the animation unfolds on your screen that we see on the news. Thats what a simulation is.
Originally posted by Varemia
It depends on what you mean by released. I suppose you could request the data from Purdue. As for NIST, they may be the same way.
I didn't say impacts were impossible to simulate, but the collapses are, because we simply don't know what was happening inside the building. We'd have to account for water, every bit of weight from damage, fire, people, office material locations (all of which HAD to have changed after impact).
I mean, really, I'm not trying to attack your way of life here. I'm just trying to be as helpful as possible with the information that I know about.
Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Varemia
What do you mean? I do not see the problems you see. You seem to see some kind of insurmountable problem.
en.wiktionary.org...edit on 16-12-2010 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Varemia
Honestly, I don't think it's required in the simulation laws that data be posted on the internet.
APPENDIX E
USE OF COMPUTER MODELS
This appendix gives guidance regarding qualifications and information that should be provided when undertaking computer modeling. More specifically, the appendix requests that computer program data be submitted as part of the documentation.
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by Varemia
Honestly, I don't think it's required in the simulation laws that data be posted on the internet.
But, according to the International Building Code (the same one that NIST's "simulation" has changed), the information should be made public.
APPENDIX E
USE OF COMPUTER MODELS
This appendix gives guidance regarding qualifications and information that should be provided when undertaking computer modeling. More specifically, the appendix requests that computer program data be submitted as part of the documentation.
Straight from the IBC.
Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Varemia
Released for peer review for one. I see no problem with rendering it public over the internet. Nasa was able to release tons of data about the moonlanding without the internet.
Originally posted by Varemia
That still doesn't mean that it needs to be posted on the internet. It just means that they release the data from the simulation. I fail to see what's wrong here. Public does not equal internet, though the internet is mostly public.
FINDING REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION
Pursuant to Section 7(d) of the National Construction Safety Team Act, I hereby find that the disclosure of the information described below, received by the National Institute of Standards and Technology ("NIST"), in connection with its investigation of the technical causes of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11,2001, might jeopardize public safety. Therefore, NIST shall not release the following information:
1.
All input and results files of the ANSYS 16-story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break elements, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
2.
All input files with connection material properties and all results files of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.