Could books like '1984' and 'Brave New World' be guidelines?

I was thinking about the similarities in Today and in those two books in particular, today and a thought scared me..

What if these books were used by TPTB as a guideline on how to control the world.. Or at least enslave us....


These books helped a good number of us open our eyes, but surely we aren't the only ones that read these books..

They lay it out, almost in list form on how to enslave the 'plebs'


I am in no way shape or form saying these books are bad, the contrary, they are amazing reads and if anyone has not read them, i would encourage it..

I AM saying however, that if i was a young lad, wanting to get into politics with a thirst for power, these books would have sparked some sinister ideas...

I dunno, thoughts?

Word on the streets is a few high ranking officials carry a copy with them to study.

MEh...

Even back in the 60's, it was easy to determine where the political/economic/miltary scheme of things were headed... He just so happened to be spot on. lol

They lay out 'PERFECT' socialist societies

"Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it... All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children." - George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2

Kids nowadays love the government because it doesn't ask anything from them.. Instead they hate "Terrorists" who "Threaten their freedoms"

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" - George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3

Just look in your kid's history Textbook to see an example of this

From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

This one always gets me... We are fighting in a WAR FOR PEACE, we are living as SLAVES UNDER 'FREEDOM' and our media portrays IDIOTS, basically saying, "You can be rich and famous, too.. Just have to be pretty and stupid."

The ideal set up by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering—a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons—a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting—three hundred million people all with the same face."

America in a nutshell

Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thoght? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. 1984 (Nineteen Eighty-Four)

LOLZ Thiz Quote makes me ROFL BTW.. Anw B/c of dis INTERNET SPEAK peps b forgettin ENGLISH



Theres more, but i think you guys get the point with this one.. Next post i'll compare BNW and today

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Wow good point! I read those books years ago for a high school project and remember feeling the same way, and this was when NWO only existed to me as a strange faction I didn't understand in 'Pro Wrestling'.

I think Huxley and Orwell were well-informed and insightful; but i doubt they were using double-speak lol.Yes, the books could have that effect on a young politically-minded person, but if he/she was going anywhere important it's probably by grooming from TBTB.

"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 2

Divide and Conquer.. not really new or a revelation on his part, except the conditioning part.. Now, Batman is fighting TERRORISTS on Cartoon Network! Conditioning

"You all remember, I suppose, that beautiful and inspired saying of Our Ford's: History is bunk." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 3

The "History Channel" the propaganda channel where we write history

"Ending is better than mending. The more stitches, the less riches." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 3

Materialism and consumerism.. the [insert money making en devour here] industrial complex has stretched into everything; not just for the military anymore

"A gramme is better than a damn." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 6

Paxil, Lexapro, Zoloft, Prosac... Shall i continue?

"You've got to choose between happiness and what people used to call high art." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 16

This is selling for 21 mil "Art " Maybe, I'm missing something, but it looks like a child drew this, Hell I probably drew the same thing in middle school, bored taking a test or something...

Don't you wish you were free, Lenina?" "I don't know what you mean. I am free. Free to have the most wonderful time. Everybody's happy nowadays."

The best slaves are the ones that think they are free.......





And then there's the feelies... If that wasn't an accurate prediction of Video Games and 3D/HD TV then i don't know what is............

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The similarities are uncanny and to simply say it was a coincidence is a cop out..

How come these guys aren't on the same stage as Nostradamus than????

They accurately and chillingly laid out the groundwork for the next 40 years. They 'predicted' more than Nostradamus ever did

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This is selling for 21 mil "Art "

LOL looks like the Fresh-Prince of Bel-Air's pants

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My thoughts are that you probably aren't too far off. You just forgot Lab 257 add that book and I think you are on to something ! Nice day though

Movies don't create psychopaths, they just make them more creative.

-Billy Loomis, Scream.

That quote has actually very little with what I'm going to say, I just felt it was relevent at the time and, once written, didn't want to delete it.

I suspect that the apparent convergence of the books with reality is largely a result of the books caricaturising features of society, which has raised people's awareness of said issues, rather than actually significantly increased their presence. Government's have always controlled society for their benefit rather than the benefit of society - after all, people in government are just as naturally selfish as everyone else. One would like to think that they would all read Zimbardo's Lucifer effect and learn to recognise and overcome the Darwinian urge to maximise their success at the cost of others, but apparently they haven't.

In conclusion, I don't think that society has become markedly more 1984 since 1984 (if you know what I mean), I think that it's just that more and more people have realised that Orwell's caricature of society was correct.

I have to complain, though, about Orwell... if he'd never written that book, British TV might not have suffered quite so much "Big Brother" inspired reality TV.

Books used as a guideline... could be.

I mean, they ripped the Patriot Act right out of the movie "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith.

Tom Clancy's books Debt of Honor and Executive Orders creepily resemble the 9/11
attacks and the subsequent Anthrax scare, written years before the attacks.

Originally posted by TheWill

I have to complain, though, about Orwell... if he'd never written that book, British TV might not have suffered quite so much "Big Brother" inspired reality TV.

I agree with that.. First time i heard about the show "Big Brother" i thought it would be something completely different but it was just 7 stupid whiny people locked in a house together.......

And the quote you provided does have something to do with what I'm saying.. If a serial killer watched Saw, a light bulb might go off in their head for a new way to kill...






I am still curious about how Huxley knew soo much about cloning in the year 1931






and this quote in your sig "I'm not nice, I'm just highly susceptible to guilt." is awesome.. People always mistake my kindness for weakness, but i just don't like drama

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It seriously does!

I dunno, maybe I'm an idiot who doesn't understand modern art... I enjoy Salvador Dali for my headtrip paintings though, not some douchey looking college kid that finger paints....


If anyone wants to explain the appeal i am all ears

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And the quote you provided does have something to do with what I'm saying.. If a serial killer watched Saw, a light bulb might go off in their head for a new way to kill...

I knew there had to be a reason I wrote it!

As for Saw (and it's torture-porn sequels and contemporaries), I can't help but feel that they're worse than the movies that Screamreferred to - not only do they give psychos ideas, they simultaneously desensitise AND justify truly horrific murders... well, I guess not actually murders in Saw, but abduction, assualt and manslaughter with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. Although I suppose Natural Born Killers did glorify the killer lifestyle and get the whole "Horror movies screw up the kids" wagon rolling.

I am still curious about how Huxley knew soo much about cloning in the year 1931

Having sat through more genetics lectures than I ever wanted to in one of the UK's leading institutes of genetics, I have to say that I was surprised how little there is to actually know about cloning, thus far. Part of the reason that it's so hit and miss is that the basic practices aren't that far removed from hitting your computer with a hammer to see if that fixes it - it's very hard, with mammalian cells, to actually manipulate the little blighters. It's very easy to know a lot more about cloning than is actually being done, because the technology and technical ability always seems to lag behind the know-how. (that said, the man who first discovered how important the nucleus was did so by tying cells in half, sometimes keeping the nucleus in one, sometimes diving it into the two, with human hair. As much as he was working with frogspawn rather than mammalian egg cells, it's still an impressive feat of dexterity.

One author that really surprised me with the accuracy of some of the scientific content was Mary Shelley (Frankenstein). As much as there are a few central errors in the science of it, she took scientific concepts that were at the time only beginning to be understood, and built them up around these (artistically necessary) errors so well that it seems almost plausible when you read it. And then there's Jules Verne, of course. If he wasn't channeling the future when he wrote 20,000 leagues, I really don't know what was going on there...



As to the quote in my sig, it's Wonderfalls... best-scripted TV show ever cancelled after 3 episodes.

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It was still written like 20 years before the tadpole clone; but alas i think you're right.. They knew how to clone the tadpoles, just didn't have the tech and Huxley just filled in whatever blanks...




I also agree with the Saw thing.. I don't see how they are so popular... They also have "The Human Centipede" which IMO is ten times worse.. I was working at Blockbuster when this came out and i would tell people what it was about and they would still rent it.. Moms, grandmas, kids..

I grew up reading Stephen King, starting with It in 3rd grade, so I got a dark, twisted side, i like blood and gore but i don't want anything to do with those movies..
Glorified snuff films