Wikileaks and ATS are deceiving YOU!

reply to post by TSAisaSCAM


You say the evidence is plentiful to you? Explain your point and show your evidence so that i may see your point of view.

Show me evidence and I will believe in your god.

And just what evidence (exactly) is it that, will convince you?

Be very specific and details just exactly what it is, that will make you a believer. - what will it take?

What are the conditions that you specify ahead of time that will make you pledge your allegiance to God?

Lets hear it for all to see and read - in great specifity........ so that when it happens - you have no way to back out of it, short of giving your soul to Satan to burn in hell for all eternity...

This could get REAL interesting!

Cheers

Hey OP can you let me know what was posted?? So I know what was censored??

I love that, but now for your next trick make God reappear by proving God doesnt exis;t or you can just accept you know nothing, in reality as well as in theory, and join the ranks of great minds like Socrates and Plato.

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen
There is no god, as there is no evidence of a god.

Show me evidence and I will believe in your god.

Untill then don't use him/she/it as an argument.

reply to post by ianmoone1


haha. So you say you have so much evidence as to convert even the likes of that guy? Dont ask what it takes to convert him, just start spilling what you got.

reply to post by fonenyc


Ever heard this argument? Can your god create a stone so large that he himself cannot pick it up? If so, then he is not a god as he cannot pick up the very stone he created. and of not, then he is not god as he cannot create the stone.

Members have the right to express their belief in God or non-belief, as the case may be, this being a thread about the truth from God.

However, this is not a thread in which we are trying to prove the existence of God for each individual member.

Let's keep this thread on topic, which has to do with Wikileaks, ATS, and the work of Satan, or words to that effect.

I have heard the range of theories on what Essange is.... to be honest I am not sure Essange has a plan- he may well be just waiting to see how the reactions to the leaks evolve. He has his insurance of stockpiled leaks ready to go and deliverable and he is calling the world's bluff and asking them to make the next move. As they stall, more will continue to leak on a daily basis. Eventually this will all come to an end, but could it be orchestrated? I do not see Essange as an NWO manipulator, although he may be doing the NWO a favor in the short term. He may be a rogue operative of sorts, but I really see him as more of the journalistic activist type and sincerely think he sees the same screwed up world many of us see today and wants some change. Simple enough, right?

reply to post by shiman



I also stated I didn't want to further extenuate my thoughts...but try and read between the lines and read into what's really going on in society today and why. IE:: Extremism, Poverty, Starvation, Murder, ETC...

Originally posted by shiman

This site is not about fear mongering. The age of blind faith is over, as it has ended sometime during the nuclear age. We are now in the information age, and now is the time for scientific proof and hard evidence. Religion has done its job, and has gotten us this far, now it's time for science to take over.

I do not fear what i do not believe.

Not over for me, I still have blind faith in Jesus Christ. Just because there is a change in social fabric and aquisition of fancier toys..........GOD still doesn't change. He said it in the bible and whether we listened or not is of no consequence to him. Just because we drift into a new age because we have gotten smarter (or have we?) doesn't mean a thing to GOD. He set the rules, he expects us to follow no matter what age....and follow blindly. The reason, most likely, that it must be blind faith, is that Satan has already proven that there can be trouble in heaven, opposition and attempted coups. If one were to follow Jesus/GOD blindly, never even seeing actual proof......only proof through faith and oneness with Jesus, then chances are when you get to heaven, he will not have to worry about you turning into another Satan. I don't believe that true Christians are mixed with this whole "religeon theme".True Christians are nice, pleasant to be around, honest and would do anything to for you in time of need. True Christians realize that "it's not sacrifice, if it doesn't hurt". True Christians don't go to churches of gold while others starve around them, they call no man their father who is no closer than a stranger. They don't tell other's of their offenses unless it is an example that will help the other person, never will a true Christian sit in a box and confess to another man his sins when Jesus clearly says in the bible "there is but one mediator between man and GOD, the Lord Jesus Christ". Especially, when the man on the other side of the curtain doesn't return the favor. What that is called is ...future "blackmail or "daily dirt" designed to extort one if needed as well as surveillance on the churches members. All that said, I believe that technology is a tool that Satan has created to enslave us and I think it already has to some extent. That is why the bible 2000+ years ago called him the "prince of the power of the air". No real signifigance in being the prince of the birds back in those days.....no true glory there, but NOW.........everything is done through the air, terrorism, planes, space vehicles, all internet connections are soon to be wireless, government control over the airwaves, FCC, NSA, ICANN, DARPA etc. laser guided weapons, plasma beam weapons, HAARP....the list goes on. He is the Prince of this world and now the Prince of the power of the air proves legitamacy and indeed, comes with a great deal of prestige. Are we really so smart these days in this new age? Or is it more true that we have invented faster computers that are supposed to make life easier for us,only to have the elites to turn the computers against us so that they enslave us into working faster and more hours to keep up with them because of the expedience of profit? Is it not more true that, we have just created better and more efficient ways of killing our foes with these new toys? Oh yeah, the revolutionary medicines that we always hear about and the repetitive chants of how we will live longer in the future because of medical advancements. The facts don't match the media cry. Who do you suppose are getting those medical advancements? Henry Kissenger and Dick Cheney who are so old that they owe Jesus money......or us, the little people who are dying at an ever increasing rate by cancers of all types, diseases that can't be cured, diseases that are always popping up out of nowhere that have all the thumbprints of "designer diseases" created in a lab such as Los Alamos? Just wait a little longer for the plague of plagues, I am sure they are working on it right now and it will help them to install this police state they want so bad, you know the one that they have so many executive orders for the creation of? How many ways to die for us and on top of that we have the constant threat of wars and nuclear reactions from other countries, gangsters, unruly children of the damned, drug induced crazies who kill you and say "sorry" to your family after you're already dead, as if that matters because they are going to prison for the rest of their life, terrorists who hide bombs in their underwear and shoes and wear jackets ready to explode with 5,000 marbles glued to them. So, as far as the mortality rates, don't buy the CIA world factbook. It's the CIA, afterall, the very acronym represents lies and deception and the CIA was created by Nazi's anyway. Why not trust them right?? They are killing us by poisoning our food, flouridating our water and food sources, unleashing plaques on us and then giving us flu-shots that are amalgamated with expiramental
adjuvants created by companies like Novartis AG and GlaxoSmithKline plc who were both taken to court numerous times for dangerous products that killed people, Glaxo to pay 750 million for selling bad products
and
North Carolina Dangerous Drug Lawsuit Involving Zometa and Aredia Results in $12.8M Verdict Against Novartis AG
....just a couple of cases.
This is not to mention squalene, an additive in the recent swine flu shots that most people were damn near forced to take. Look this one up on the internet, too many horror stories for me to even bother with. My point is, is this new age is nothing new. It's an old school with new furniture........we just have a new and improved way of eliminating the "undesirables".

reply to post by TSAisaSCAM


... Sure. I will not divulge further as Mr. Admin fellow asked to remain on topic. It still stands that i have not seen evidence as to why the title might be correct.

reply to post by woogleuk


LOL, I just about rolled over. Classic...

Your like " My snowman is the MAN", He's ready for his snow lady.

No sir troll I do NOT! speak to ppl who do not know. ATS doesnt need a teacher and if it did I wouldnt volunteer, since I am still learning. Youre source, which I didnt read btw, is your opinion and that is YOUR truth. The accepted opinion of truth isnt why we here on ATS are communicating; you say lol we here on ATS do not believe that the "truth", as ppl like u accept, is the truth. Maybe ATS needs a disclaimer.

Now as for insult nah I think not; that was a warning not an insult but hey " if the shoe fits wear it". My "evidence" is many years of awareness to the world around me and I do not believe I should be going back so far to explain anything, my progress is my agenda and I clan up with ppl on my level of understanding and knowledge. Your response to the 1st paragraph will always remain until you change your closed mind and attempt to understand a person's perspective; and quit if you cannot.

Oh and btw your laziness to check on sources and find out for yourself is probably why your "scholarly" mind has atrophied to the point of comprehending verbatim and advertisements. I know your type and I suggest you just let go and move one lol you already lost before you started.

reply to post by shiman

reply to post by Phenomium


These are the kind of christians i would like to see more often. Although i do not agree with the blind faith thingy, as long as they dont go and try to force their religion upon me im fine. Besides, religion is not about how many people you can get to join, or how many people you can control using the word "god", but religion is what gets you thorough day by day, and a christian like in your text has his/her own interpretation of whatever religious aritfact they are following, not just what their priest tells them.

No I never heard it before but I would my God, of which I point I dont have btw, would be omnipotent enough in his ALL SEEING and ALL KNOWINGNESS not to be base enough to create a stone he could not pick up. LOL

Ever Heard of this argument " what came 1st the chicken or the egg"? How can you get something from nothing? Dude really I could present a much better argument against God to myself.... PLZ READ THE SOURCES FROM OUR LAST ENCOUNTER- which by the way should be mandatory reading for all ATSers out there-

Peace btw

Originally posted by shiman
reply to post by fonenyc

 

Ever heard this argument? Can your god create a stone so large that he himself cannot pick it up? If so, then he is not a god as he cannot pick up the very stone he created. and of not, then he is not god as he cannot create the stone.

reply to post by shiman


I believe it's an opinion the title, And some people will take credence with it while others will disagree... And that my friend is just perspective and if we can discern each others perspective in a neutral environment I'm sure more would come from that than a hostile one. Let's work on being + here and IRL. Finishing the Title is unto the eyes of it's beholder.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

ATS is also part of this scheme, they are also puppets of Satan

If that were 100% truth, I wouldn't be able to make 50% of the posts I make.
However different aspects of your post do have some truth in them, other parts are pure fantasy.
Just a suggestion, stick to an authoritative source, here is one.

2 Corinthians 4:4a

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe.

2 Corinthians 2:11

so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

1 John 5:19b

the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one

Revelation Chapter 12

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought.
But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.
And the huge dragon was cast down and out--that age-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him....woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in fierce anger (fury), because he knows that he has [only] a short time [left]!.

So yes the Devil does control many things, but not all information that is found on the internet, however he does try to baffle us with bull all the time, even here on ATS. I am thankful many ATS posters, (even if they don't believe in the Devil) have seen through at least some of his lies.

I believe that you are a religous, close minded, follower of whatever has the most poularity. I believe that it is people like you that bring hatred and instability to the world. Religous social status that I do not want any part of.

If your good you go to heaven.
If your bad you burn in hell with Satan.
Satan=Santa