Wikileaks - First Leaks Revealed

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
I'll leave it to the mods to decide whether however out of order I am is more important than the points I'm making.
A big part of what we have here is a discussion about foolishness expressed in communications assumed to be private (I intend to get to why some of the revealed opinions are patently foolish shortly). We've also had speculation that such behaviour is simply natural. Its my contention that whilst it is natural for fools to be foolish, which I've illustrated by quoting that U2U, that doesn't mean we should be unconcerned about it. These people could cause war FFS!

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Its Ok Ubrasumus - his point he is trying to make is that he is a little boy with his panties in a wad.

Members can quite clearly see thru his agenda here - his entire participation in this thread is because he took exception to just one word I used.

That worries me not one jot!

His hidden agenda is this - I posted factual information which at this point in time several hundred members have now downloaded (I see the stats from the hosting account) and these facts point out that HRH Queen Liz transferred $100 BILLION, to the Corrupt Bush Cabal currently running America after the year 2000 Bloodless coup that was called an election and which Al Gore clearly won the majority but a panel of 5 Judges appointed by Daddy Bush who runs the CIA and was the architect of the assassination of JFK - the peoples president, decided instead to install their paymaster and benefactors son Gee Dubya illegally into the highest office of the land!.

Who knows you could be getting Jeb next!

Anyway - Dunken Donuts Dumb here - is hoping that by breaking all the rules - the mods will hopefully delete the thread (or at least my posts) thus cutting off the link to the information that could see Gee Dubya hung for treason.

Its no less than I would expect - that's just what a co intel pro from Europe would be expected to do - its his job!.

The point of not replying to him by me - is just that - I truly believe people instinctively KNOW when they have read the truth and the international financial bank transfer documents are unequivocal when the auditor noted to James baker the 3rd (then controller of the Fed) that the transfer of 1 Billion of that direct to Jorge Bushes "Arbusto" account (Arbusto means Bush in Spanish)... is highly and totally illegal and against US statute law.

Dunken Donuts Dumb here and his co intel pro mates will do whatever it takes to squash the dissemination of that info, but they are far to late the horse has already bolted - its out on the "intraweb" now - downloaded by hundreds of people (and this isn't the ONLY forum I've released it on).

You can look all you like and say Wikileaks isn't all that revealing and it;s all a psyop and I think likely it is - BUT, WHAT they DIDN'T count on was that I would drop some REAL intel into the mix from another source entirely, something that could see an Ex POTUS swing from the Gallows for treason.

Assange isn't the one here who's neck is literally on the line& may swing for his crime!

Bye the time this is done If Assange swings - you can pretty much bet the TWO past POUTUS Bush 1 & @ will be up there swingin along side him - and then they can ALL go meet up with Saddam in hell as far as I am concerned - coz nuthings surer - thats what God has in store for them.

IF they were smart they would throw themselves face down prostrate on the ground and PRAY that God gets to them first coz one the American people find out everything they have done to harm their nation - even Gods ultimate punishment and damnation - might pale into insignificance in what the American people might do to them.

Let the panti-wad Kid here have his lil tantrum, spongebob skid mark here needs to get it out of his system and its a good chance for all the members to see how a cointelpro works - what with multiple logins - creating a storm all on his own, manipulating the mods & public opinion etc with multiple posts, breaking the rulkes and so on.

What really worries him - is thahe doesnt scare me - people can clearly see thru his smoke and mirrors and letting him blow his own cover was part of the plan from the outset,.

You might notice he's not made even one "on topic" post in this thread about Wikileaks - or indeed the info i posted/ leaked.

You could undertsnad of the mods deletedALl his off tipic posts in this thread - that is after al the rule is it not?

Personally I think its more revealing & embarrassing too him to leave it up!

You will see that eventually he will realize this himself and if the mods don't delete his posts he himself probably will.

The proof will be in the eating of the pudding as they say!

True to my word I will not respond to him any further in this thread!

Your expression of your concern for his breach of the rules and etiquette protocols are appreciated non the less - however I assure you I am a big boy - and amateurs like him represent zero threat to me.

I was playing these games when he was still a shag in his dads bag!

Cheers

Cheers

Do you think Ian that the Bank Wikileaks is going after is going to be the Federal Reserve?

reply to post by ianmoone1As promised, still keeping on:

1. proposing a major new public relations drive in Europe... oh look our poster is from Europe!
2. The campaign, expected to launch early in the new year, would rely on teams of volunteers in Britain, Germany, France, Italy and Spain to deliver Israel's message!
3. The campaign is the pet project of Avigdor Lieberman, Israel's Moldovan-born Foreign Minister- say Gday to your boss Avigdore for me bunken Dumb!...er drum er sorry, right the first time.! ;o)
4. "Israel's public image today is dismal," wrote Alon Ben-Meir, a New York University lecturer in a recent editorial in The Jerusalem Post - no shiat sherlock!
5. Israeli advocacy group MediaCentral - oh wait - you mean theres people paid to do this?...
6. Other pro-Israel groups, such as Honest Reporting and the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America scour media reports to root out what they perceive as biased or incorrect reporting, and lead email campaigns against journalists - I say bunken Dumb - I think your slips showing!
7. At least one Israeli official has argued that such initiatives have failed before - don't let that stop you Dunken Dumb!
8. Many Israelis feel that there is little that can be done to improve Israel's international image, particularly in Europe, where anti-Israel sentiment is seen to be on the rise. - Dunken Dumb - your efforts here are just adding to the problem!

There's much I could say to refute this paranoid rant, but the simplest way is to rely upon the integrity of another ATSer, namely Yissachar1. He is not only an ardent Israel supporter, but an ex IDF soldier. Regardless of our oft stated clashes of opinion over Israeli policy, I'm confident the man is honourable & no liar. If asked, I'm sure he'll confirm that if I'm any kind of Israeli secret squirrel, I've got a bloody strange way of going about it!
I just dont like nonsense.

reply to post by ianmoone1

Having 2 logins doesn't add any more credibility Dunken Dumb - nice try, but I've seen it all before.

Have you indeed? Something you evidently haven't seen, or you wouldn't be doing it, is that members who make wild accusations against others with no back up & simultaneously resort to childish name-calling often get summarily banned. I think you'd do well to take ch1n10's suggestion & read the T&Cs.

Still, lets examine your claim & discover how preposterous it is by the application of logic. Were what you claim to be true, I would've had to create the account "ch1n10" on the 13/10/10 & begin posting on UFOs which is a subject as "Bunken Drum" I've shown little to no interest in during my entire membership. I'm not certain but I dont think I've ever replied to such threads, although I have commented on a few crop circle discussions & the lines blur a bit, so I may be wrong. As "ch1n10" I would have studiously avoided commenting in any thread "Bunken Drum" was active in right up until now, just so I could further pwn you, who joined ATS 46 days later. Thats some amazing foresight you're assigning to me! In order to give my false persona "ch1n10" even more credibility, I then expressed a viewpoint on Wikileaks that is @odds with "Bunken Drum's", right?
For what reason? Oh hang on, so that your claim that LizII paid off the Bushes in a thread about US diplomatic cables would be discredited. As it happens we know the queen banks with Coutt's but also there is an entire dept of the Bank of England which handles her investments & is by law beyond scrutiny by anyone. Is it likely she'd leave a paper trail the likes of you could find? Maybe she was having a bad day. Is it likely that MI6 or the Mossad or whoever you think I really am would pay me to point out your arguments flaws, or would they simply permemently stop you making them? You're not Julian Assange & dont have "insurance".

Originally posted by oxford
Do you think Ian that the Bank Wikileaks is going after is going to be the Federal Reserve?

We can speculate if you like?

My guess he will go after Citibank and all its subsidiaries - beause its a see eye eh front and if we are right about Assange and this is a Netanyahu Mossad operation against Odumbo - then thats what i'd do!

Thing is this tho - CIA via their stolen Canadian Promis software have always been able to manipulate money real time anywhere in the word.

Also the See Eye Eh have had countless front banks - back in the 70's when they tok down Australia it was the Nugan hand Bank with Frank hand and John Nugand?...and they formented the Kehmlahni loans affair that brought down the duly elected Whitlam Govt...(Becaise Gough Whitlam wanted us out of vietnam and told the USA where to stick their secret pine gap spy base and Harold Holt communications base at Exmouth in WA!.

They have had BCCI an etc etc

Skolnicssite has alist of the seeeyeeh front banks over the years...City is one of the more recent but they shuffle and move the $ via Promis like a veritable "which shell is the pea under now" magicians trick.
Wiki might get them after the fact but by the time he does they will have already moved the whole shbang onto another front bank.

If it was under the Bushes likely they'd a called it Arbusto (Bush in spanish)....who knows what Odumbo will call it, the dreams of my father bank - maybe he will name it after the kids new dog?

Anyway back tothe Fed!

Assange might - but logic ays why waste his time the Feds already as good as dead anyway!

Source:- www.whatdoesitmean.com...

US Federal Reserve “Shock” 2012 Move Dooms America

A grim report given to President Medvedev today by Finance Minister of the Russian Federation Alexei Kudrin is stating that the private European banking conglomerate known as the United States Federal Reserve System, that basically rules over the finances of America, has given a “shock warning” to President Obama that they do not intend to renew the charter granted to them in 1913 by the US Congress and is set to expire on December 21, 2012, which (coincidentally?) is also the exact date that the controversial Mayan Calendar predicts will be the ending of our present age.

Even worse for the American people, this report says, is that in the Federal Reserves notification to Obama they further stated that they only intend to pay back the US Government $156.3 Billion from out of their “huge profits” gained from their looting the United States Treasury of an estimated $23.7 Trillion.

Interesting to note about these events is that for the first time known, the “mainstream” American press is beginning to align themselves with those of us who have long warned of this banking monstrosity and their deliberate destruction of the US economy, and as we can read as reported by the Bloomberg News Service in their January 29th article titled “Secret Banking Cabal Emerges From AIG Shadows”, which says:

“The idea of secret banking cabals that control the country and global economy are a given among conspiracy theorists who stockpile ammo, bottled water and peanut butter. After this week’s congressional hearing into the bailout of American International Group Inc., you have to wonder if those folks are crazy after all.

Wednesday’s hearing described a secretive group deploying billions of dollars to favored banks, operating with little oversight by the public or elected officials.

We’re talking about the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, whose role as the most influential part of the federal-reserve system -- apart from the matter of AIG’s bailout -- deserves further congressional scrutiny.”

To Bloomberg’s admission of this “secret banking cabal” that is destroying the American economy we can further read as reported by Canada’s Center for Research on Globalization:

“As we have constantly emphasized, as the global government and the financial takeover accelerates, it’s becoming harder and harder for the elite to hide the true intention of what they are doing, which is centralizing power into fewer hands, destroying sovereignty and creating a one world order run by an unelected, undemocratic authoritarian system.

So whereas “conspiracy theorists” were once sidelined as paranoid kooks, as more and more of what they warned about comes to fruition, they gain more credibility and the establishment finds it more difficult to neutralize what they are saying by means of character assassination.

The Bloomberg writer’s admission that the “conspiracy theorists” were probably right reminds us of former Clinton advisor Dick Morris’ appearance on Fox News last year, when he pointed out that people who have been sounding the alarm bells over a global government takeover for decades have also been vindicated.

“Those people who have been yelling ‘oh the UN’s gonna take over, global government’, they’ve been crazy but now – they’re right!,” stated Morris on Sean Hannity’s show.”

To the dramatic shift of the “mainstream” American news in telling their citizens the truth of what is happening to them we can see further evidenced by a New York Times article posted today which actually gives these peoples sound advice, and as we can read from their story titled “No help in sight, more homeowners walk away”, and which says:

“We’re now at the point of maximum vulnerability,” said Sam Khater, a senior economist with First American CoreLogic, the firm that conducted the recent research. “People’s emotional attachment to their property is melting into the air.”

Suggestions that people would be wise to renege on their home loans are at least a couple of years old, but they are turning into a full-throated barrage. Bloggers were quick to note recently that landlords of an 11,000-unit residential complex in Manhattan showed no hesitation, or shame, in walking away from their deeply underwater investment.

“Since the beginning of December, I’ve advised 60 people to walk away,” said Steve Walsh, a mortgage broker in Scottsdale, Ariz. “Everyone has lost hope. They don’t qualify for modifications, and being on the hamster wheel of paying for a property that is not worth it gets so old.”

Mr. Walsh is taking his own advice, recently defaulting on a rental property he owns. “The sun will come up tomorrow,” he said.”

To how bad the Federal Reserve System (which many call the World’s largest Counterfeiter) has destroyed the American economy is evidenced in their destruction of the US Dollar which has lost over a quarter of its value in the past 8 years, and what a single Dollar could buy in 1913, when this secret banking cabal began to strangle these people, would cost $21.67 today, and which comes out to a shocking inflation rate of 2067.0%!

And, most unfortunately, it is going to get worse as new reports are showing that the Baltic Dry Index (the World’s most reliable indicator of future economic growth) has collapsed over 40% in the past 10-weeks signaling the worst of this Global financial crisis is yet to come.

Equally as worse for the Americans is the ending of the World’s central banks support for the Federal Reserve, and as we can read as reported by the Business Week News Service:

“The Bank of England said Wednesday that it and other major central banks are ending emergency lending arrangements put in place with the U.S. Federal Reserve in the wake of the global credit crisis, citing improvements in financial markets.

The decision marks the first unified retraction by central banks around the world of extraordinary support measures to boost lending after credit markets seized up in late 2007, causing the global economic downturn.”

To the doom warned facing the American people it is entirely predictable to envision, as what is happening to them now has happened in the past, and they could plainly see if they but opened their eyes to the truth of how completely manipulated they’ve been.

And the truth behind the “manipulators” currently destroying the American people was the creation by a European elite class of bankers (headed in the United States by Paul Warburg (known to history as the “Father of the Federal Reserve”) and chief financier of the United States and its Allies in World War II, and in Germany by his brother Max Warburg, who through his families 200-year-old private bank M.M.Warburg & Company was the chief financier of Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Party) intent upon total Global domination and the enslavement of mankind.

[Put into its simplest context, the stark truth is that World War II was entirely financed by these two Warburg brothers using American funds funneled to them by Prescott Bush and the right-wing cabal that has, in essence, ruled the Western World since 1918 and has reaped Trillions of dollars in war profits for their “investors” at the expense of hundreds of millions of lives.]

To the American people awakening to their soon coming destruction it is not in our knowing, other than to point out the obvious fact that even as they continue to suffer under the cruel regime these “banksters” have imposed upon them, they still continue to pay their “bills” to a corrupt and secretive cabal so that they can continue reaching for the American Dream.

Unfortunately it is not a dream these people are living in, it is a nightmare….and of their own making because they just won’t face the truth. And as hard as it is to believe it is nevertheless true that these American people pay more on overdraft fees to their banker masters than they spend on fresh vegetables!

What can you say about people such as this? Maybe that they truly deserve what is coming.

[Note: Russian Finance Ministry calculations show that should the American people stop paying their money to banks (mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, etc.) and all declare bankruptcy the entire debt load carried by the US Government would be paid in less than 2-years and the United States would have over $85 Trillion available to them over the next 10-years to pay for the complete rebuilding of their Nation and society.]

I seem to recall reading that a renewal of the charter of the Federa Reserve after Dec 21 2012 - requires being passed by a 75% majority vote of the Federal parliament and senate As WELL AS a 75% majority vote in all 52 states of the union, which in the curent climate just seems IMPOSSIBLE to achieve - enough people have woken up to the enslavement of themasses by usury ,& destruction of society caused by the Fed in the last 100 years - I really doubt anyones keen to renew their tenure to continue subjugating all Americans as poverty wage class slaves for another 100 years.

Thats just my view - who knows what Assange might do - probbaly have to ask his Israeli masters!

And no I'm not protected like Assange is..Im easey to find, I am:-

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Cheers

reply to post by closetnerd

Sadly, I agree with what you say, although the planned leaks on the banking scam may raise a few eyebrows among the masses, when they realise that the reason they are being hit in the pocket is to cover the bondholders and derivative traders they may have something to say.

You could be right & I hope you are, but just what can we say, "Give us our money back!"? If enough of us do start complaining so that politicians really do start to fear they may be out of a job come the next election unless they appear willing to do something about the banks & financial markets in general, we'll be back to the same situation as the run up to the "financial crisis".
Say what anyone likes about Gordon Brown (& I've a few choice words & phrases myself), the man clearly did know what was coming, which is no surprise since as an economist he is respected enough to have been offered the top job @the World Bank. We can be sure he knew b/c way before it blew up, he had been trying to get international agreements on dangerous financial practices. The agreements would have to be international, or the investors would simply take their money somewhere else, harming any economy that unilaterally brought in tougher regulations. In the meantime, financiers have a vested interest in preventing such agreements & are able to make credible threats against any goverment that considers going down that route.

Something I hope will come out in these leaks is what the US State Dept's private view of Brown's ideas actually were, since its damned suspicious that Goldman Sachs in collaboration with Standard & Poor managed to rip off 1/2 the banks of Europe &, whilst doing so, create the illusion of prosperity for many Americans, which was actually all based on burgeoning consumer credit, that itself was a pure product of US Federal tinkering in the real estate market (the mechanism is in my siggy link).

Originally posted by oxford
Do you think Ian that the Bank Wikileaks is going after is going to be the Federal Reserve?

Don't know if this ads anything to "which bank/s" might be the taget of Wikileaks, but Ispotted this article tonight..

Source:- money.cnn.com...

Fed made $9 trillion in emergency overnight loans

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Federal Reserve made $9 trillion in overnight loans to major banks and Wall Street firms during the financial crisis, according to newly revealed data released Wednesday.

The loans were made through a special loan program set up by the Fed in the wake of the Bear Stearns collapse in March 2008 to keep the nation's bond markets trading normally.

The amount of cash being pumped out to the financial giants was not previously disclosed. All the loans were backed by collateral and all were paid back with a very low interest rate to the Fed -- an annual rate of between 0.5% to 3.5%.

Still, the total amount was a surprise, even to some who had followed the Fed's rescue efforts closely.

"That's a real number, even for the Fed," said FusionIQ's Barry Ritholtz, author of the book "Bailout Nation." While the fact that the markets were in trouble was already well known, he said the amount of help they needed is still surprising.

"It makes it very clear this was a very serious, very unusual situation," he said.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who had authored the provision of the financial reform law that required Wednesday's disclosure, called the data that was released incredible and jaw-dropping.

"The $700 billion Wall Street bailout turned out to be pocket change compared to trillions and trillions of dollars in near zero interest loans and other financial arrangements that the Federal Reserve doled out to every major financial institution," Sanders said.

He said that even if the Fed was right to make the loans to keep the economy from toppling into a depression, it should have made stronger demands that the banks help American consumers and small businesses.

"They may have repaid their loans, but that's not good enough," he said. "It's clear the demands the Fed made were not enough."

The Wall Street firm that received the most assistance was Merrill Lynch, which received $2.1 trillion, spread across 226 loans. The firm did not survive the crisis as an independent company, and was purchased by Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) just as Lehman Brothers was failing.

Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), which ended up with a majority of its shares owned by the Treasury Department due to a separate federal bailout, was No. 2 on the list with 279 loans totaling $2 trillion. Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500) was third with $1.9 trillion coming from 212 loans.

"As we have previously disclosed, Morgan Stanley utilized some of the Federal Reserve's emergency lending facilities during a time of immense financial turmoil throughout the banking sector and the broader market," Morgan Stanley said in a statement Wednesday. "The Fed's actions were timely and critical, and we commend them for providing liquidity and stabilizing the financial system during that period.''

The largest single loan was by Barclays Capital, which borrowed $47.9 billion on Sept. 18, 2008, in the days after the Lehman bankruptcy. The loan financed Barclays' purchase of Lehman's remaining assets.

Some Wall Street firms disputed the way the Fed reported the numbers. An executive from one of the firms said that many of the overnight loans were rolled over for days at a time, and that each day it was counted as a new loan. "It's being double, triple, quadruple counted in some cases," said the executive.

Can our opinion of banks get any worse?
Not all the major banks needed much help from the Fed. JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) received only three loans from this program for a total of $3 billion.

The last loan was made under the program in May 2009, and the program, known as the primary dealer credit facility, was officially discontinued in February of this year.

The Federal Reserve revealed details of that program as part of a large scale release of data on all the steps it took to stabilize the nation's financial sector during the markets crisis of the last few years.

The central bank posted details of more than 21,000 transactions with major banks and Wall Street firms between December of 2007 and July of 2010.

In addition to the loan program for bond dealers, the data covered the Fed's purchases of more $1 trillion in mortgages, and spending to back consumer and small business loans, as well as commercial paper used to keep large corporations running.

The rescues of the investment bank Bear Stearns in March of 2008, and insurance behemoth AIG in September of that year, were also revealed in far greater detail, as were programs to make dollars available to foreign central banks in return for their currency, in order to keep international trade flowing.

The Fed's full data
Most of the special programs set up by the Fed in response to the crisis of 2008 have since expired, although it still holds close to $2 trillion in assets it purchased during that time.

The Fed said it did not lose money on any of the transactions that have been closed, and that it does not expect to lose money on the assets it still holds.

The details of which banks participated in the Fed's emergency programs, and how the banks benefited from the transactions, had never before been revealed.

The Fed argued that revealing the information could cause a run on the banks that needed to draw cash at the discount window. But under the financial regulatory reform act that was passed in July, the Fed will reveal future discount window transactions following a two-year lag.

Whether theres something fishy in a 9 trillion oernight emergency loans issue I don't know for sure, however MAYBE theres a few clues about whats expected to come by the powers that be from this article.

Source: jalopnik.com...

The Military Is Secretly Trucking Hundreds Of Nuclear Warheads Across The U.S.



Nondescript 18-wheelers are secretly transporting nearly 1,000 of the U.S. Navy's 100-kiloton W76 nuclear warheads from a submarine base near Seattle to a plant in Texas. Worse news? It's by an agency recently investigated for problems with alcohol abuse.

An item in Washington's Kitsap Sun this weekend confirms something we all expect to be true but is rarely talked about: the transportation of nuclear weapons across the United States.

The quantity of nuclear warheads is astounding, with the report indicating as many as 1,000 of the approximately 30-year-old 100-kiloton W76 warheads are being transported from Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor near Seattle to the Pantex Plant in Amarillo, Texas, nearly 1,800 miles away, for updates that'll extend the life of the weapon by 30 years.
etc

Banks being pumped over night with $9 trillion,

1000's of nuclear warheads being trucked incognito,

A million gallons of JP8 aviation gasolene (used in jet fighter and Bombers) sent to Israel, above and beyond her normal consumption, 2 months ago (and it goes "stale" in about 6 - 8 months if not used so its approaching it's "use it or lose it" period),

and

then there was 1000's of the new specially built super deep bunker buster bombs designed to burrow down into Irans underground bunkers, that were recently shipped to Diego Garcia on the Kittihawk.

Wikkileaks

and

The Korea Kerfuffle

All designed to keep our eyes off?

An attack on Iran on December 3rd (New Moon) or more likely 21st (Fullmoon Solstice Eclipse)?

Dunno- I'm just guessing but mine might be an "educated guess"...

I guess we "wait n see".

Cheers

reply to post by ianmoone1

Anyway - Dunken Donuts Dumb here - is hoping that by breaking all the rules - the mods will hopefully delete the thread (or at least my posts) thus cutting off the link to the information that could see Gee Dubya hung for treason.

Congrats on not contradicting yourself by talking to me, but rather talking about me. I'm interested to know if Julian has anything on a similar incident involving a Chinese brokered summit between the USA & N Korea.
The US Delegation, without explanation, simply refused to turn up to some scheduled meetings in a manner which was thus insulting to the N Koreans & embarrassing to the Chinese. If these leaks are anything to go by, then just like you, when given an opportunity to talk to their opponents, the US diplomats definitely did choose not to & probably talked about them to what they assumed was a receptive audience.

I haven't broken "all the rules", I've broken 1 & explained why. Since this forum is something of an ATS flagship, I expect the mods keep a close eye on it. Perhaps they will delete my post where I quoted your childish U2U. Perhaps they'll think my points valid enough to ignore that minor breach of T&Cs. They wont 404 a whole thread over it. Neither will they do so over your repeated childish name-calling. You may get censored. You may get warned. As it happens, so far, the mods appear to consider your input interesting enough to allow your repeated breaches of T&Cs to stand. Trust me, carry on the way you're going & that will change. The claim that ATS makes to have the best staff on the internet may be reaching a bit, but its not something I could reasonably call into question.
I've seen it before. There'll be no "blaze of glory", no opportunity to whine that your revelations are so important that you must be persecuted to keep them from us, & no hesitation. You'll cross a line & get unceremoniously banned. Be civil or be quiet: simple.

From the Wikileaks it was known, that a member od the inner party circle of the FDP (liberals) took all informations to the Ambassador of the USA in Berlin, Philip D. Murphy. Of course, high members of the FDP could not believe, that they had a mole in their rows, including Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

Since the possibilities were limited, today Helmut Metzner, leader of Westerwelle's bureau, outed himself to be the source.

Although the FDP tries to play down his role, Metzner lost his job and as it is said, his carreer in the party is over. His profile on the Party's site is down.

reply to post by zero1020



Are you trying to tell me they were not trying to nogotiate paying these people off.

How nieve

Originally posted by ianmoone1

Originally posted by oxford
Do you think Ian that the Bank Wikileaks is going after is going to be the Federal Reserve?

We can speculate if you like?

My guess he will go after Citibank and all its subsidiaries - beause its a see eye eh front and if we are right about Assange and this is a Netanyahu Mossad operation against Odumbo - then thats what i'd do!

Thing is this tho - CIA via their stolen Canadian Promis software have always been able to manipulate money real time anywhere in the word.

Also the See Eye Eh have had countless front banks - back in the 70's when they tok down Australia it was the Nugan hand Bank with Frank hand and John Nugand?...and they formented the Kehmlahni loans affair that brought down the duly elected Whitlam Govt...(Becaise Gough Whitlam wanted us out of vietnam and told the USA where to stick their secret pine gap spy base and Harold Holt communications base at Exmouth in WA!.

They have had BCCI an etc etc

Skolnicssite has alist of the seeeyeeh front banks over the years...City is one of the more recent but they shuffle and move the $ via Promis like a veritable "which shell is the pea under now" magicians trick.
Wiki might get them after the fact but by the time he does they will have already moved the whole shbang onto another front bank.

If it was under the Bushes likely they'd a called it Arbusto (Bush in spanish)....who knows what Odumbo will call it, the dreams of my father bank - maybe he will name it after the kids new dog?

Anyway back tothe Fed!

Assange might - but logic ays why waste his time the Feds already as good as dead anyway!

Source:- www.whatdoesitmean.com...

US Federal Reserve “Shock” 2012 Move Dooms America

A grim report given to President Medvedev today by Finance Minister of the Russian Federation Alexei Kudrin is stating that the private European banking conglomerate known as the United States Federal Reserve System, that basically rules over the finances of America, has given a “shock warning” to President Obama that they do not intend to renew the charter granted to them in 1913 by the US Congress and is set to expire on December 21, 2012, which (coincidentally?) is also the exact date that the controversial Mayan Calendar predicts will be the ending of our present age.

Even worse for the American people, this report says, is that in the Federal Reserves notification to Obama they further stated that they only intend to pay back the US Government $156.3 Billion from out of their “huge profits” gained from their looting the United States Treasury of an estimated $23.7 Trillion.

Interesting to note about these events is that for the first time known, the “mainstream” American press is beginning to align themselves with those of us who have long warned of this banking monstrosity and their deliberate destruction of the US economy, and as we can read as reported by the Bloomberg News Service in their January 29th article titled “Secret Banking Cabal Emerges From AIG Shadows”, which says:

“The idea of secret banking cabals that control the country and global economy are a given among conspiracy theorists who stockpile ammo, bottled water and peanut butter. After this week’s congressional hearing into the bailout of American International Group Inc., you have to wonder if those folks are crazy after all.

Wednesday’s hearing described a secretive group deploying billions of dollars to favored banks, operating with little oversight by the public or elected officials.

We’re talking about the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, whose role as the most influential part of the federal-reserve system -- apart from the matter of AIG’s bailout -- deserves further congressional scrutiny.”

To Bloomberg’s admission of this “secret banking cabal” that is destroying the American economy we can further read as reported by Canada’s Center for Research on Globalization:

“As we have constantly emphasized, as the global government and the financial takeover accelerates, it’s becoming harder and harder for the elite to hide the true intention of what they are doing, which is centralizing power into fewer hands, destroying sovereignty and creating a one world order run by an unelected, undemocratic authoritarian system.

So whereas “conspiracy theorists” were once sidelined as paranoid kooks, as more and more of what they warned about comes to fruition, they gain more credibility and the establishment finds it more difficult to neutralize what they are saying by means of character assassination.

The Bloomberg writer’s admission that the “conspiracy theorists” were probably right reminds us of former Clinton advisor Dick Morris’ appearance on Fox News last year, when he pointed out that people who have been sounding the alarm bells over a global government takeover for decades have also been vindicated.

“Those people who have been yelling ‘oh the UN’s gonna take over, global government’, they’ve been crazy but now – they’re right!,” stated Morris on Sean Hannity’s show.”

To the dramatic shift of the “mainstream” American news in telling their citizens the truth of what is happening to them we can see further evidenced by a New York Times article posted today which actually gives these peoples sound advice, and as we can read from their story titled “No help in sight, more homeowners walk away”, and which says:

“We’re now at the point of maximum vulnerability,” said Sam Khater, a senior economist with First American CoreLogic, the firm that conducted the recent research. “People’s emotional attachment to their property is melting into the air.”

Suggestions that people would be wise to renege on their home loans are at least a couple of years old, but they are turning into a full-throated barrage. Bloggers were quick to note recently that landlords of an 11,000-unit residential complex in Manhattan showed no hesitation, or shame, in walking away from their deeply underwater investment.

“Since the beginning of December, I’ve advised 60 people to walk away,” said Steve Walsh, a mortgage broker in Scottsdale, Ariz. “Everyone has lost hope. They don’t qualify for modifications, and being on the hamster wheel of paying for a property that is not worth it gets so old.”

Mr. Walsh is taking his own advice, recently defaulting on a rental property he owns. “The sun will come up tomorrow,” he said.”

To how bad the Federal Reserve System (which many call the World’s largest Counterfeiter) has destroyed the American economy is evidenced in their destruction of the US Dollar which has lost over a quarter of its value in the past 8 years, and what a single Dollar could buy in 1913, when this secret banking cabal began to strangle these people, would cost $21.67 today, and which comes out to a shocking inflation rate of 2067.0%!

And, most unfortunately, it is going to get worse as new reports are showing that the Baltic Dry Index (the World’s most reliable indicator of future economic growth) has collapsed over 40% in the past 10-weeks signaling the worst of this Global financial crisis is yet to come.

Equally as worse for the Americans is the ending of the World’s central banks support for the Federal Reserve, and as we can read as reported by the Business Week News Service:

“The Bank of England said Wednesday that it and other major central banks are ending emergency lending arrangements put in place with the U.S. Federal Reserve in the wake of the global credit crisis, citing improvements in financial markets.

The decision marks the first unified retraction by central banks around the world of extraordinary support measures to boost lending after credit markets seized up in late 2007, causing the global economic downturn.”

To the doom warned facing the American people it is entirely predictable to envision, as what is happening to them now has happened in the past, and they could plainly see if they but opened their eyes to the truth of how completely manipulated they’ve been.

And the truth behind the “manipulators” currently destroying the American people was the creation by a European elite class of bankers (headed in the United States by Paul Warburg (known to history as the “Father of the Federal Reserve”) and chief financier of the United States and its Allies in World War II, and in Germany by his brother Max Warburg, who through his families 200-year-old private bank M.M.Warburg & Company was the chief financier of Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Party) intent upon total Global domination and the enslavement of mankind.

[Put into its simplest context, the stark truth is that World War II was entirely financed by these two Warburg brothers using American funds funneled to them by Prescott Bush and the right-wing cabal that has, in essence, ruled the Western World since 1918 and has reaped Trillions of dollars in war profits for their “investors” at the expense of hundreds of millions of lives.]

To the American people awakening to their soon coming destruction it is not in our knowing, other than to point out the obvious fact that even as they continue to suffer under the cruel regime these “banksters” have imposed upon them, they still continue to pay their “bills” to a corrupt and secretive cabal so that they can continue reaching for the American Dream.

Unfortunately it is not a dream these people are living in, it is a nightmare….and of their own making because they just won’t face the truth. And as hard as it is to believe it is nevertheless true that these American people pay more on overdraft fees to their banker masters than they spend on fresh vegetables!

What can you say about people such as this? Maybe that they truly deserve what is coming.

[Note: Russian Finance Ministry calculations show that should the American people stop paying their money to banks (mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, etc.) and all declare bankruptcy the entire debt load carried by the US Government would be paid in less than 2-years and the United States would have over $85 Trillion available to them over the next 10-years to pay for the complete rebuilding of their Nation and society.]

I seem to recall reading that a renewal of the charter of the Federa Reserve after Dec 21 2012 - requires being passed by a 75% majority vote of the Federal parliament and senate As WELL AS a 75% majority vote in all 52 states of the union, which in the curent climate just seems IMPOSSIBLE to achieve - enough people have woken up to the enslavement of themasses by usury ,& destruction of society caused by the Fed in the last 100 years - I really doubt anyones keen to renew their tenure to continue subjugating all Americans as poverty wage class slaves for another 100 years.

Thats just my view - who knows what Assange might do - probbaly have to ask his Israeli masters!

And no I'm not protected like Assange is..Im easey to find, I am:-

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edit on 1/12/10 by ianmoone1 because: spellin damnit!

This is astounding. 85 Trillion dollars! And it would only take two years. It's like redemption is possible if we can accept we have failed and choose to start over. I don't understand though how the entire country going bankrupt can save it. Since when was filing for bankruptcy a way to make money? Clears your debt?

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I truly believe people instinctively KNOW when they have read the truth

People dont instinctively know anything & capslock doesn't alter that. Instincts create unconscious behaviours (the definition of not knowing) & emotions. Between the 2, instinct predisposes people to believe certain things, ie think they know. Some classic examples:
We have an instinct to believe our senses. Down is always in the same direction. Usually the horizon is obscured by topography, but when it isn't, its not possible to tell just by looking how far away it is. Thus the belief that the world is flat.
Combined with the latter, we have an instinct for self-preservation which inclines us to consider ourselves important. We look up & see a dome of sky across which objects move in a regular fashion. Thus the still Earth is the centre about which all else revolves.
We have an instinct to use whatever we find to our advantage. So, unconsciously, the most important difference between a stone & a feather is how difficult they are to carry, ie weight. Thus, since the stone hits the ground 1st, heavier things must fall faster.
We have an instinct to seek to understand patterns in events so that we can make advantageous predictions. Thus when a rare event such as a bright comet occurs, combined with stories of similar, the belief is that something momentous must be about to occur amongst our important selves. Do people consider this is a self-fulfilling prophecy? Historically, apparently not.
Another pattern to consider is that someone gave the Bushes a load of money, against US Law, from Coutt's Bank. LizII is 1 of many wealthy folk who bank there, thus she paid the Bushes. Logically: case not proven. When we consider that through The Bank of England Nominees, she can move her money wherever she likes & nobody can legally scrutinise that, it becomes unlikely.

Next post I'll apply this logic to the wikileaks.

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Indeed our animal inheritance, ie instinct, is the most pervasive & pernicious barrier to knowledge humans must surmount.
How about a US functionary who instinctively feels that a risk is worth the likely rewards & put the suggestion to Chancellor Merkel? If she refused, the instinct driven belief would be that she's "risk averse". Did they consider that she may just be typically German (ie ask a typical German to do something against their interests & they wont tell you to shove it, they'll politely decline & remain polite as they shove it for you)?
How about a US functionary that asked President Sarkozy to do something they instinctively felt was a good idea? If he took offence, the instinct driven belief would be that he's "thin skinned". Did they consider that he may just be typically French (ie ask Les Francais to do something against their interests & typically they'll employ 1 of a number of gestures, which have many international equivalents, that basically translate to "shove it!" &, should your suggestion be considered so outrageous as to be impertinent, proceed to ignore you whilst they go about their business [& I dont mean talk about you not to you, I mean behave as if you literally dont exist])?

Hey, what do I know? I only visit Cologne & Marseilles about 4-5 times/year each & I doubt I've yet spoken with more than 2000 Germans or French. I'm as prey as the next human to the instinct that drives us to spot differences between "us & them", so perhaps I'm overemphasising national characteristics into overblown stereotypes. Something I do know for certain is not a product of instinct driven warped thinking is that Germany & France have a common interest which flies directly in the face of the USA's & that its likely that, to most Americans, that interest & the furtherance of it is counter-intuitive. Its called The Euro.

since cablegate is down .. anyone know where they are posting at ???

JUSTsaw this on the cable gate site

"Every American schoolchild is taught that George Washington – the country’s first President – could not tell a lie. If the administrations of his successors lived up to the same principle, today’s document flood would be a mere embarrassment. Instead, the US Government has been warning governments -- even the most corrupt -- around the world about the coming leaks and is bracing itself for the exposures."


Isn't that abraham lincoln you know good ol honest abe........ Wikileaks is uttery dumb sometimes... look see for yourself 213.251.145.96...

I have never been an American schoolchild, but google always brings the same answer:

ezinearticles.com...

Why are you derailing the threads with that childish question, including the obviously wrong answer and calling Wikileaks "dumb"?

What on Earth has this to do with the actual events?

Here someone asked the very same question one year ago:
answers.yahoo.com...

Hi Ian, thanks for taking the time to respond to my question, I do appreciate the time you took to respond. Its quite difficult to guess which bank it will be when it appears so many of them are looking corrupt, it is sad to see so many worship at the altar of greed.

I've heard of PROMIS but thought it was more to track people, but it is logical that PROMIS could be used for integrating any kind of information held within databases, if used to track money & other derivitives worldwide this would be a valuble asset to any criminal enterprise. A big can of worms putting it mildly!

Skolnick has some great infomation, truly an oldskool truther, I like Christopher Story also (for anyone out there not familiar with his work, check out the legacy he left behind for us here): Global Analysis - International Intelligence

Back to the Fed.... I can't find anywhere which states in the act that the charter lasts for a hundred years only (it has been posted over many sites today, but if anyone has a direct link to a credible source, do share!), The act is posted here at the Federal Reserve Act I was finding it too exciting to read

It just seems so dumb that this secret banking cabal would take down the world economy, Chris Story talked alot about this saying the only way forward, our only hope, was to create much tighter banking controls and create a new balance sheet and move the legitimate across to it. Unfortunately the greater problem is finding some good honest people who could do this, I suspect that crowd gave up along time ago and moved out to the country.

I really enjoyed the article, thanks for sharing. I guess we will have to wait and see what transpires. I'm not sure if Assange has a master or his own personal agenda, but it is great to finally see more truth in the world, I think this will have some very positive results for the world, if everyone starts to be more honest with each other, at least we will be on a genuine road to start with! Most of the Americans I've met the last few years have been sick of their politians also.

I'm hoping within my lifetime that the world will start to spend less on bombs and horrendous weapons and more on hospitals the elderly, and the education systerm.

I'm not looking for you Ian and I hope nobody else is either!

Ox

Originally posted by thecinic
JUSTsaw this on the cable gate site

"Every American schoolchild is taught that George Washington – the country’s first President – could not tell a lie. If the administrations of his successors lived up to the same principle, today’s document flood would be a mere embarrassment. Instead, the US Government has been warning governments -- even the most corrupt -- around the world about the coming leaks and is bracing itself for the exposures."


Isn't that abraham lincoln you know good ol honest abe........ Wikileaks is uttery dumb sometimes... look see for yourself 213.251.145.96...

edit on 3-12-2010 by thecinic because: (no reason given)

Big F*King SO?????
Does that negates ANY OF THE ILLEGALITIES THE US HAS COMMITED??? Nope
Again, SO???

Politicians in Germany don't talk too much about Wikileaks. Foreign minister Westerwelle just said, that there will be consequences, which would be checking the cables for sensitive informations.

Interesting is, that the Tagesthemen, the most important news show on German tv, published a poll these days, saying most Germans are against Wikileaks.
According to this poll 53% said, that such a platform should not exist at all, even 65% said, confidential informations about political and military issues should be kept away from the public.
For this poll 1004 people were called by phone and questioned.

Tagesschau.de, the internet-site of the same news show, also has a poll on the website. There you could see, that the results were exactly opposite: 66.7 % said, the publication was right, 30.6% said, it was wrong, and 2.7% had no oppinion.
On the website not only 1004 people had voted, but 47884 had voiced their oppinion.

Of course, only the first poll was "representativ"...

Source in German, but graphs