A perpetual motion (lol) device I thought of

reply to post by Etherea1


Applause for putting your idea out there to be picked on.
That alone is good from some bravery points.
Perhaps the heat you are taking can be harnessed, to push the ball back up to the top?


You might do some more thinking and attempt to figure a way to inject some sort of readily available energy into your plan. Something available and easy to convert. Wind, sun, Heat? Keep thinking.

Energy is conserved in orbits too. When it's orbit is near a planet its potential energy is low and kinetic energy is high and vice verse on the far end. As long as external forces are negligible (which they are since gravity is a weak force) energy is conserved for an orbit around space.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


its a magnetic devise, where the magnets freely move up and down the tubes to bypass the breaking affect of the magnetic friction.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
reply to post by Etherea1

 

Applause for putting your idea out there to be picked on.
That alone is good from some bravery points.
Perhaps the heat you are taking can be harnessed, to push the ball back up to the top?

You might do some more thinking and attempt to figure a way to inject some sort of readily available energy into your plan. Something available and easy to convert. Wind, sun, Heat? Keep thinking.

Nice but if you are adding energy to you might as well be pedaling a bicycle to provide the energy in the first place.not really perpetual motion is it? But points for thinking "renewables"

Too many bulky mechanical parts.
Dreams can rarely be taken literally, so this one probably best qualifies for interpretation.

The dream probably means you are stuck in a rut.
You are the ball and the tube is your job/school.
The gears are people in your life that weigh you down and the spring is a person whom you rarely see, yet regenerates your life.

Alternatitively, you are living paycheck to paycheck, the gears are your usual bills and the spring is your paycheck.

I think I have that dream too.

Originally posted by aliengenes
its a magnetic devise, where the magnets freely move up and down the tubes to bypass the breaking affect of the magnetic friction.

The spring has internal or "molecular" friction, right?

www.competitioncoatings.com.au...

The major enemy of valve springs is heat. Heat is generated in two ways. The first is through external friction and the second is through internal or "molecular" friction

reply to post by 46ACE


Definitely not perpetual motion.
but in the quest for making energy when the" Sun don't shine, and the wind don't blow.' There is room for invention, and ideas. I think about these things often. Like a lot of us here do.
Someday I'll be retiring to a nice place in the woods. With a nice house, surrounded by energy (coal).
but I'd like it to be clean..and consistent.
Batteries are expensive..But potential energy in other forms, may not be.
Say for example, pushing water up a hill, for use later, by letting it come back down. but how? without using a lot of the energy that is supposed to be powering your house.

I want to be clean, and comfortable. Still able to use my toys.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


well, magnetics and hydrolics is the answer. both have their own friction, but both never wear out nor need maintenance either.

the whole concept of perpetual motion, is that it runs forever on its own power without maintenance

Originally posted by aliengenes
well, magnetics and hydrolics is the answer. both have their own friction, but both never wear out nor need maintenance either.

If by hydrolics, you mean hydraulics, I know a lot of mechanics that will laugh their butts off when they hear that one, since some of them repair or rebuild worn hydraulic systems for a living.

www.ipfonline.com...

A typical hydraulic system comprises hydraulic fluid, reservoirs, actuators, pumps, motors, valves, transducers, gauges and plumbing, including lines, pipes, hoses, unions and seals. Proper maintenance schedules, detailed inspection, timely repair and rectification and gradual replacement or modification of high-life and worn-out parts before they fail, are some of the simple steps towards better maintenance of hydraulic systems. Failure of one part of a hydraulic system can put the whole system out of action.

There are many ways a hydraulic system can fail.

Hydraulic systems wear out and need maintenance, how in the world did you get the idea that they don't?

Magnets may wear out over time but the amount of time it takes depends on a number of factors, such as, temperature, any opposing magnetic fields the magnet is subjected to, etc. According to Wiki, refrigerator magnets have a limited life:

en.wikipedia.org...

A refrigerator magnet's lifespan is typically between 5–10 years.

Other magnets can last much longer but are not really as permanent as people think when they use the term "permanent magnet":

www.magnetsales.com...

Will magnets lose their power over time?

Modern magnet materials do lose a very small fraction of their magnetism over time. For Samarium Cobalt materials, for example, this has been shown to be less that 1% over a period of ten years.
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The factors can affect a magnet's strength:
-Heat
-Radiation
-Strong electrical currents in close proximity to the magnet
-Other magnets in close proximity to the magnet.

So if the magnets are subjected to other magnets, temperature, etc, they can wear out faster, but they lose magnetism just sitting there! Though 1% over 10 years isn't much, "perpetual" is a long time!

Or,

You could just build a MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator).



www.cheniere.org...

Not so hard whenyou read up on it.

Energy free from the vacuum!

Or you could continue trying to re-invent the wheel after someone else has already invented the jet plane.

Cheers

reply to post by Arbitrageur


liquid dip#

My 2 Cents:
Even if this DID work, what energy would you hope to produce as if the ball was a magnet, it would simply move the gears in a simple on/off switch like motion. If the ball was to hit a lever, moving the gears, you would have to produce much more energy because eventually, the momentum would deteriorate. A simple solve to the detriorate problem would be to make the ball a magnet, maybe just S, and instead of springs, make it N magnets, the N magnet would have to be a donut shaped object, which you would drop the ball in with enoug force to push the levers at such a speed that when the ball reached the top, the levers would go back to their original position, making at least more than 1 rep, which I think would be out of my league, but here is a pic of what I mean:



But hey, thats just MY 2 cents