Other side of the Story : TSA employees hate pat down searches too.

I was just reading this article from the Daily Mail and thought it was worth posting here for some perspective on the issue.

TSA Staff against patdown searches

While I think the patdown procedures are unpleasant and unnecessary, I think it's important to remember that not all TSA agents are perverts who can't wait to get in to work each morning to 'feel up' their next victim. As in the article, I'm sure the vast majority of TSA staff find the procedure as awkward as unpleasant as the person being subjected to the search. TSA officials and government policy makers are the ones who should be the subject of passenger's ire, not the staff on the ground. Of course, as in any walk of life there is probably the odd employee who will take advantage of their position and go a little further than they should, and these people will be reported and disiplined accordingly.

Given the discontent from passengers and TSA employees alike, I can't see these enhanced pat down procedures lasting all that long.

AAAWWWW! I feel so sorry for the Gestapo having to search and strip all the Jews! Gimme a break! If they don't like it let them quit. Their names are being recorded for the trials yet to come. Orders are no protection from crimes. They will be prosecuted. Sorry they feel so bad about abusing and breaking the law. That should tell them everything they need to know.

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We're in the middle of a recession. Would you risk quitting your job over the pat downs? Many of them probably realise that the pat down policy might not be in place for much longer anyway.

If you were a TSA employee and were suddenly told you had to start intrusively patting down passengers, wouldn't you feel uncomfortable about it? Sure you would, and many TSA employees do too. These people are not inherently evil just because they happen to work for the TSA. They do it because it's their job and they have to, and as such they don't deserve personal abuse. It's the TSA officials higher up that should bare the brunt of any issues people have with the procedure.

Originally posted by thewanger
AAAWWWW! I feel so sorry for the Gestapo having to search and strip all the Jews! Gimme a break! If they don't like it let them quit. Their names are being recorded for the trials yet to come. Orders are no protection from crimes. They will be prosecuted. Sorry they feel so bad about abusing and breaking the law. That should tell them everything they need to know.

If they think things are bad now, wait until they start having encounter with people like this - and other people who've decided to use their power to make life difficult for the TSA agents whenever they are on their own turf:

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i stopped working the bait boats when the pay wasnt worth the work. and i wasnt being told to violate peoples privacy. the few people i knew who got jobs at the airports after 9/11 culdnt get a real security job and thought getting that one proved they were right that they should work security. when real security jobs said they shouldnt.

true im sure they are not all that way, but in my opinion they are doing a job i wouldnt take. my family could be living out of a tent with only the food i could steal from the fast food joint and i wouldnt take a job violating peoples rights.

but im sorry they dont like doing it. sucks they have to suffer while making others suffer. should just be the paying people who are in hell.

that was sarcasm and i am sorry. its not constructive, but i mean come on. to me its a human rights issue. if you dont like violating peoples rights,,, stop. if its that they are uncomfortable poking into a persons privates cause its gross (which i agree i wouldnt want to reach into the average persons groin even gloved) quit, and dont try to become a doctor or anything like that either.

as far as i know no one is making them do that job, but it wouldnt surprise me to find out they are some sort of slave labor. whats another human rights violation.

Originally posted by Project-Sign
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We're in the middle of a recession. Would you risk quitting your job over the pat downs? Many of them probably realise that the pat down policy might not be in place for much longer anyway.

If you were a TSA employee and were suddenly told you had to start intrusively patting down passengers, wouldn't you feel uncomfortable about it? Sure you would, and many TSA employees do too. These people are not inherently evil just because they happen to work for the TSA. They do it because it's their job and they have to, and as such they don't deserve personal abuse. It's the TSA officials higher up that should bare the brunt of any issues people have with the procedure.

Let's see. Peter Hegenbach tried that defense (It was my job and I was only following orders.) in 1474 at his trial before a Holy Roman Empire court. It didn't work for him, either. He was convicted and beheaded. I believe some other fellows tried that defense too, in the cases of Eichmann in Israel and Astiz, in Argentina. I guess the new TSA motto should be "Befehl ist befehl."

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Are you kidding me? While this is certainly not to the magnitude of German soldiers following orders as they marched Jews to their deaths, the EXACT same principla applies and those soldiers and guards put up the "we we just following orders and we didn't like having to do it" defense. Guess what, the Nurenberg trials showed that is no defense at all. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a U.S. soldier BY LAW must disobey an unlawful order. The UCMJ acknowledges that this is difficult, but requires it nonetheless because unlawful orders destroy the moral character of a unit and threaten the mission. Applying ethics is often hard. But no, no sympathy from me because some poor sap is complaining for being forced to molest little boys and grandmothers. Gosh, feel awful for me because I am so embarrased to reach into the pants of an innocent person. Really? Then quit. No, you won't quit? They you are GUILTY and tacitly endorsing the policy.

There are few behaviors I detest more than when one is being an apologist for the bad actions of others.

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Its not so much an issue of being sexually perverted as it is to have power over someone.

I'm sure many TSA employees don't like this new security method. Most people dont want to be hated and despised and the ones that do are only acting from a distortion that they are already hated (F'it) I'll show you attitude.

I can't believe some of you are comparing TSA employees to Nazis. They're not marching people off to concentration camps just yet, they're just airport security. You expect them to quit their job in the middle of a serious recession over these pat downs? Listen, when the TSA starts escorting people to concentration camps you can expect some of them to resign in protest.