N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

Apparently, Baba Vanga predicted something for the 24th. It is a different type of calendar, so we will see. I think it is definitely not a coincidence incidents like these happen in difficult economic times around the world. Remember, there is also a terrorist threat in Europe now. Many people claim it is about a false-flag or diverting attention, but let's not kid ourselves here: things can blow up, no matter who's responsible. A dog is going to bark ten times, but it will bite - eventually.

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
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1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Who, exactly, is Yueliu? This seems like the comment of some random website user and thus makes no difference.

if my country just sat and waited for someone too stop shelling us id be going nuts grow a backbone and either apologize if your in the wrong or stop then forcefully

reply to post by DarthPhobos


The next twenty four hours are critical.

If South Korea continues military exercises, it is likely North Korea will continue to target units. However, if the South does not retaliate - then North Korea strikes will proceed more and more.

President of South Korea has effectively threatened war - if North Korea strikes again.

South Korean President just stated there will be "enormous retaliation" should North Korea strike again.

Interesting...

Originally posted by Darkblade71

This is why I say, bite through that line and do the unthinkable. They expect us to tuck our tail between our legs and roll over...again.

I hope we don't.

Doing the unthinkable would mean literally sacrificing the lives of scores of innocent civilians. While your impatience with the stupidity of the situation is understandable, the situation is a little more complicated than you appear to be acknowledging.

Imagine if you knew somebody who was living in Seoul who you had a very close relationship with. Would you still want the US to do the unthinkable?

reply to post by concordant


I was thinking about this.

She predicted nuclear war in November 2011.

Baba Vanga:
# 2010 – The start of WWIII. The war will begin in November of 2010 and will end in October of 2014. Will start as a normal war, then will include usage of nuclear and chemical weapons.
# 2011 – Due to the radioactive showers in Northern Hemisphere – no animals or plants will be left. Muslims will begin chemical war against Europeans who are still alive.

Baba Vanga Predictions

possibly reading between all the lines, China frowns upon this action publicly but may have secretly endorced this action as a test of the US support for South Korea, China is still a little upset by the devaluing dollar and the arms sale to Taiwan, this may just be that peice of cheese on the trap to test the resolve of the US.

It would appear that some awful strange occurances have been happening lately and who really knows how deep this rabbit hole really is?

Originally posted by FermiFlux
South Korean President just stated there will be "enormous retaliation" should North Korea strike again.

Interesting...

edit on 23-11-2010 by FermiFlux because: (no reason given)

This is quite a predictable and acceptable move.

And it leaves everyone in absolutely no doubt that if war breaks out, it will be the responsibility of NK.
This is that "line in the sand" moment. SK has called NK out and if NK do strike again, SK can say to the world "we warned them".

All bets are then off.

reply to post by Darkblade71


well if you think about it, if north and south Korea, full fledged goto war it will rock the world. It will be a trickle effect, good chances atomic weapons will be used world politics treaties and things of that nature will be tested alliances will be tested world markets will crash, the likely hood of a fast ending of such will be dismal not to mention allot of lives will be lost over?? So I can see why their is such reluctance to blow the war horns. Yet at the same time what do we do? Wait even longer? The bottumline is this sooner or later a war in Korea is going to happen, we dont want to admit it, we dont want to accept because it means so much will happen. Its very sad but this is unfinished business. I will be on the boards as much as I can to reflect on the news we get here. Since its pretty hard to get information anywhere else.

Update 14:22 GMT:

1419: The New York Times reports that the South Korean Deputy Minister of Defence, Lee Yong-geul, has now acknowledged that artillery units were firing test shots on Tuesday afternoon close to the North Korean coast, from a battery on the South Korean island of Paeknyeongdo. But he denied that the shots crossed the disputed maritime border with North Korea.

1413: German Foreign Minister, Guido Westerwelle, has expressed his concern at the violence. "We appeal to all participants to contain themselves, and call for rationality and reconciliation to prevail. We would like to and can only request that all of the participants remain level-headed," he tells reporters.

1408: Brian Myers, a North Korea analyst based at South Korea's Dongseo University tells the BBC World Service that Pyongyang will not be too concerned about the international reaction. "I don't think they're going to take it particularly seriously. One of the common themes in North Korean propaganda is mockery of the outside world for talking very big but actually not carrying through on its threats. I think that's the kind of context they're going to put this in," he says.


1402: The BBC's diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says: From the North Korean viewpoint this is about establishing a deterrence strategy over the South and defending its vital interests. An annual South Korean military exercise is under way across the country. The North Koreans demanded that this be halted. And when it went ahead, for whatever reason, this clash erupted.
North Korea seeks attention through show of power


1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
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1353: South Korea's foreign ministry says the shelling of Yeonpyeong violated the 1953 inter-Korean armistice, the United Nations Charter and other agreements that call for non-aggression between the two countries. "We have explained the current situation to all overseas missions and ordered them to remain on emergency alert," it says.

NO NO NO this baba vaga garbage is nothing if it predicts all this d00m and gl00m then i will say this will not escilate further and baba vaga is wrong... The opposite of what it says is true... This has nothing to do with that.. This has been going on back and forth for years now but is finally getting to the tipping point... Oh the webbot tipping point it didn't happen so just change the dates? No babba vaga is irrelavent..

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China would not risk World War III just to test the authority of the United States in the region.
Behind the scenes, China has been rather critical on North Korea and even restricted oil and gas during nuclear/missile tests.

Hmm you know I don't understand why everytime something like this happens people start shouting WWIII. Most countries do not want to go to war...I would imagine it's the same for those two countries. If N.K. wanted to go to war they would have hit a highly populated area. If S.K. wanted to go to war they would have already started it.

People need to calm down a bit with the predictions of WWIII...everything causes WWIII on this site. Hey look a bird farted over CHINA WWIII MAN WWIII MAN!

All kidding aside thanks for the info on the story, I'll be reading all day.

I think this will be a lot bigger then some seem to want to believe.

Truly when Russia speaks out - It tends to be something Important.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov condemned North Korea for the firing, warning of "colossal danger" from Korean tensions and calling for an end to any hostilities.

news.ninemsn.com.au...

They do not speak up for scuffles, and this situation was being provoked for some time and not by USa or Russia ;o]

I pray It will simmer down, but when Russia and Japan release what they have... I doubt It.

The New York Times reports that the South Korean Deputy Minister of Defence, Lee Yong-geul, has now acknowledged that artillery units were firing test shots on Tuesday afternoon close to the North Korean coast, from a battery on the South Korean island of Paeknyeongdo. But he denied that the shots crossed the disputed maritime border with North Korea.

From the New york times

So basically the south were provoking them by firing test shots just along their border, if your testing munitions or artillery strikes you test them away from your known enemy as not to provoke them , Im sure the south could have done this away from the north , along with the large scale military operations across the south , they are provoking the north because they know they will react .
I just think the US are using the south in proxy to test the north and to gauge china , to see if they can have a war to make some cash , as previously stated by other members

I sure hope this doesnt kick off !

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
Baba Vanga:
# 2010 – The start of WWIII. The war will begin in November of 2010 and will end in October of 2014. Will start as a normal war, then will include usage of nuclear and chemical weapons.
# 2011 – Due to the radioactive showers in Northern Hemisphere – no animals or plants will be left. Muslims will begin chemical war against Europeans who are still alive.

Baba Vanga Predictions

2008 – Assassination attempts on four heads of states. Conflict in Indonesia. That becomes one of the causes for the start of WWIII.

i can assure you that my dog will be alive and well in 2011 and 2012

reply to post by Recouper


I am actually fully aware of the situation, as I have been following the North/South Korean conflict ever since I became aware of how close we are to a nuclear war. Yes, I am aware of this being a tinder box that is ready to ignite, and yes, I am all for it exploding and getting over with because it is going to happen sooner or later, and if it happens sooner, there will be a lot less life lost, if we continue to wait, eventually it will be a nuke thrown and the longer we wait, the more nukes NK has, along with ICBMs and god knows what else NK has been working on for years.

They need to be shut down, and its been pretty obvious that sanctions do nothing but starve thier people and make them suffer. NK is a nuclear rogue who needs to be dealt with.

I am fully aware of the lives that would be lost, however, I believe that if we continue to do nothing, eventually when NK does explode, it will take out a lot more than it can now.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
reply to post by Recouper

 

I am actually fully aware of the situation, as I have been following the North/South Korean conflict ever since I became aware of how close we are to a nuclear war. Yes, I am aware of this being a tinder box that is ready to ignite, and yes, I am all for it exploding and getting over with because it is going to happen sooner or later, and if it happens sooner, there will be a lot less life lost, if we continue to wait, eventually it will be a nuke thrown and the longer we wait, the more nukes NK has, along with ICBMs and god knows what else NK has been working on for years.

They need to be shut down, and its been pretty obvious that sactions do nothing but starve thier people and make them suffer. NK is a nuclear rogue who needs to be dealt with.

I am fully aware of the lives that would be lost, however, I believe that if we continue to do nothing, eventually when NK does explode, it will take out a lot more than it can now.

We really really do not need them to have a nuke that could hit japan that would be real bad.