we cannot be truly tolerant to islam

we say that in our western nations there is a freedom to practice your religion but there is no way to be truly tolerant to the practices of moslem people

I dont know if it is their cultural or religious ways that we are so intolerant about but here is a short list of things people from moslem countries want to do in western countires that we cannot tolerate

female circumcision

honour killings

child brides

forced marriages

eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth justice system

full face coverings [any criminal can use this as a disguise so it is not allowed to wear in many public places and of course when driving a car]

poligamy

so anyone from Moslem countries wanting to immigrate to a Western nation - please know that there are things we cannot be tolertant about ever. Stay in your own country if these things are important to you

anyone have anything to add to my list of things we cannot be tolerant about?

of course any moslem who wants to observe our laws to live in our countries will alwasy be welcome

HA ! Don't you know that is is the west with is diabolical sluts and the evil kuffar males who are the true evil ones.

Why we need to be taught a lesson, by people with better standards.. You know, the sort wot say "If you don't believe in allah, I will kill you!!"

Have you been living in a flat with beer or something... Get under a rock you heathen...

I agree...Islam and the culture that surrounds it cannot honestly coexist with western ideology. They are two completely different cultures with different ideas of law and how that law is to be applied or interpreted. In western nations, it is secular law that rules. In Islam, they enforce the concept of overriding the law of the land, with Shariah law.
Not every Muslim living in a western nation is going to assimilate as recent history can tell you. I don't think that Islam and the West are compatible at all actually. That is just an idea propagated by the political correct media and certain federal institutions, but it is not reality. Islam by nature is to be regarded by Muslims as the highest authority, a political and legislative system that is often at odds with western nations.

Originally posted by badw0lf
HA ! Don't you know that is is the west with is diabolical sluts and the evil kuffar males who are the true evil ones.

Why we need to be taught a lesson, by people with better standards.. You know, the sort wot say "If you don't believe in allah, I will kill you!!"

Have you been living in a flat with beer or something... Get under a rock you heathen...

beer? flat?

dont like beer and I live in a house - I have 7 cats so you could never imagine that working out if I lived in a flat

Yeah the moslem do think they are superior to us and for our own good have to convert us

but the real truth is we can never be tolerant of their ways, and i wish the politicians would drop multiculturalism as a total failure and adopt an intelligent policy instead.

reply to post by megabyte


I agree. Human right violations should not be tolerated in religions. Islam is no exception.

full face coverings
poligamy

These two should be allowed IMHO, as long as it is not forced..

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by megabyte

 

I agree. Human right violations should not be tolerated in religions. Islam is no exception.

full face coverings
poligamy

These two should be allowed IMHO, as long as it is not forced..

not when driving a car - that is when full face covering shoule never be allowed

the other reason is a valid one too - that crimes can be comitted by people who use the full face coverign as a disguise and so a lot of businesses are very watcnful if anyone walks in wearing full face covering

poligamy is unfair to women - I know guys would love it being married to as many women as they fancy but it is not fair to women and i would never ever share a man. its either me or get lost!

reply to post by megabyte

poligamy is unfair to women - I know guys would love it being married to as many women as they fancy but it is not fair to women and i would never ever share a man. its either me or get lost!

Well, I believe marriage should not be regulated by laws, so thats the reason for my stance. But this is probably for another discussion.

Shariah law is abhorrent to me, it's support of ill treatment against women, It's bias legal system and the way it teaches aggression towards non-Muslims are things which our Western world cannot fully support within the framework of current society.

In the UK Shariah is becoming systematic in its absorption into everyday life and it continues to push for further legal restrictions to be lifted, the ultimate goal of Sharia Law is to be fully accepted as the ruling system in Western countries.

Do not believe ANY Muslim who tells you Shariah is about propagating the peaceful word of Allah, there is no such thing as peace within Shariah..There is only deceit and hate against non Muslims.

Shariah law is not as much religious as it is political.

Why cant religions just disappear all together? I mean politicians just claim to be apart of them to gain the trust of the people.

Its similar in the mid east I imagine , what better way to gain power than to be apart of a belief system already crammed in the peoples heads?

That idea aside , I hear Europe isn't doing so hot defending off the islamocation of its land.

Religious tolerance or ignorance of a subtle invasion?

reply to post by megabyte

yes of course the west can not tolerate the ways of muslim laws that is why the western worlds is being taken over by the muslim world day by day, our freedoms are being taken away daily,but question the insanity of some of the muslim laws and teachings and you are branded borderline racist...

reply to post by megabyte


Oh pleeeaaasseeee, the majority of the worlds Muslims are extremely tolerant..
Most of the people complaining here have probably NEVER been to a Muslim country..
Believe it or not, most muslims are just like you and I..
They go to the movies, eat Maccas and watch American Idol..
I hate how they are labeled just because of a very minor extreme element, not unlike the extreme elements in every religion...
KKK anyone? How about jews that think one jew is worth a thousand arabs??
Yes they should follow local rules and yes, most are happy to do it...

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by megabyte

 

Oh pleeeaaasseeee, the majority of the worlds Muslims are extremely tolerant..
Most of the people complaining here have probably NEVER been to a Muslim country..
Believe it or not, most muslims are just like you and I..
They go to the movies, eat Maccas and watch American Idol..
I hate how they are labeled just because of a very minor extreme element, not unlike the extreme elements in every religion...
KKK anyone? How about jews that think one jew is worth a thousand arabs??
Yes they should follow local rules and yes, most are happy to do it...

I hate to tell you, but you seem to be ignorant to Shariah...which is definetly NOT a minority within Islam.

reply to post by Crutchley29


Isn't it? Care to tell me how many places in Indonesia or Malaysia are ruled by Shariah law??
I spend half my life in them two countries so I know the answer before you state it, so will be fun to see..

And between the two they have by far the highest population of Muslims..

If you cannot tolerate Islam how can you tolerate the readings in the bible which promote stoning and killing sinners. I do not know whether you read a bible or not but even if you did not, what would any religious law matter to you anyway?

One thing I cannot tolerate is the amount of criminals in the USA. You know, the rapists, murderers, kiid tamperers etc. Before you say how you cannot tolerate another cultures laws, how about you have a look in your own backyard and see how pathetic your countries laws are towards criminals.

reply to post by backinblack


Indonesia and Maylasia are not Western countries; the point of this thread is to focus on the relationship between Western countries and Islam.

I dont know what country you are from, but in the UK and other countries in the EU we have a term called "Creeping Shariah" which basically describes the current methodical approach Shariah is taking to plant itself within our very fabric of society.

Shariah is already established in the UK's legal system.

If in doubt I would do some research on the subject, focus on the core concept of Shariah and not the interpretations from other sects.

And to answer your question, Shariah law IS in effect in both of the countries you mentioned, to a degree anyway and deals with family matters.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by megabyte

 

Oh pleeeaaasseeee, the majority of the worlds Muslims are extremely tolerant..
Most of the people complaining here have probably NEVER been to a Muslim country..
Believe it or not, most muslims are just like you and I..
They go to the movies, eat Maccas and watch American Idol..
I hate how they are labeled just because of a very minor extreme element, not unlike the extreme elements in every religion...
KKK anyone? How about jews that think one jew is worth a thousand arabs??
Yes they should follow local rules and yes, most are happy to do it...

i know we only hear about the sensationalism that sharia laws cause because it sells the news papers etc


but it still stands that there are some things we just cannot be tolerant about that are part of either the culture or the religion of islam

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by megabyte

 

Oh pleeeaaasseeee, the majority of the worlds Muslims are extremely tolerant..
Most of the people complaining here have probably NEVER been to a Muslim country..
Believe it or not, most muslims are just like you and I..
They go to the movies, eat Maccas and watch American Idol..
I hate how they are labeled just because of a very minor extreme element, not unlike the extreme elements in every religion...
KKK anyone? How about jews that think one jew is worth a thousand arabs??
Yes they should follow local rules and yes, most are happy to do it...

i know we only hear about the sensationalism that sharia laws cause because it sells the news papers etc


but it still stands that there are some things we just cannot be tolerant about that are part of either the culture or the religion of islam

Originally posted by Crutchley29
reply to post by backinblack

 

Indonesia and Maylasia are not Western countries; the point of this thread is to focus on the relationship between Western countries and Islam.

I dont know what country you are from, but in the UK and other countries in the EU we have a term called "Creeping Shariah" which basically describes the current methodical approach Shariah is taking to plant itself within our very fabric of society.

Shariah is already established in the UK's legal system.

If in doubt I would do some research on the subject, focus on the core concept of Shariah and not the interpretations from other sects.

So what your saying is you have NEVER been to a Muslim country and therefore know very little about their religion...
If the UK allows Shariah law to flourish then it's on their own heads as the VAST majority of Muslims are just as disgusted at Shariah law as you and me...
Why listen to a minority and then blame the majority??
Why doesn't the rest of the world consider ALL people from the UK as soccer holigans???
Lets ban them all!! Disgusting troublemakers that they are!!

reply to post by backinblack


You are completely missing the point, and I dont need to have visited a Muslim country to be well acquainted with the religion, you can gain a lot from actually reading the religious texts, of which i did plenty of whilst studying Theology as a post grad in Manchester.

I don’t think all Priests are paedophiles because of the actions of a few, but you must understand that Shariah law is a founding concept of Islam and thus MUST be followed, the Quran is not as open to interpretation as the Bible is and so when it states that Muslims are to deceive non-Muslims for the benefit and continuations of Shariah and Islam it means it.

I am forming my opinion from fact, not personal belief, I know not ALL Muslims follow Shariah law...but in the UK it is seen as the ruling force and so my experiences follow suit.

Originally posted by megabyte...here is a short list of things people from moslem countries want to do in western countires that we cannot tolerate: female circumcision honour killings child brides forced marriages

Agreed.

But there are other specifically theological issues which not only the Jewish and Christian religious 'authorities'; but, also, the Muslim religious 'authorities' cannot tolerate about the Revelations in the Quran:

Mohammed taught that Jesus was the messiah--something which the Jewish religious 'authorities' cannot tolerate; but that Jesus was not 'God'--something that the Christian religious 'authorities' cannot tolerate.

But what neither the Jewish, the Christian, nor the Muslim religious 'authorities' can tolerate is that the Doctrine of "resurrection" was taught by Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Jesus and Mohammed as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; and that Mohammed was Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' in fulfillment of the Prophecies of Malachi and Jesus.

In other words, even if all Muslims were to conform perfectly to the Western ideal of human rights; the Revelations in the Quran would constitute an absolutely INTOLERABLE contradiction of Jewish and Christian theology; and, thus, threaten the pride, the wealth and the power of the Jewish and Christian (and Muslim) religious 'authorities'.

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