'Mystery' contrail seen from space

'Mystery' contrail seen from space

www.newscientist.com

The thin white line in this satellite image doesn't look like much, but it was the cause of a lot of confusion and consternation last week when it was attributed to a mysterious missile launch. The image bears out the theory that the contrail was caused by a plane, says a NASA researcher.

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The image is in the article. Not sure if I could repost the image according to ATS rules.

This was just posted over on New Scientist and shows an image from space which is supposedly highlighting the contrail seen off of the coast of California last week (November 9th). I thought it might be interesting to members to have a different source for the plane theory to scrutinize; however given the source, which I have little faith in, I'm not buying it myself.

www.newscientist.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I call bullcrap also.

govt to nasa~
" hey guys , people arent believing the plane thing, could you maybe come out and state is was from a plane also? more people might listen to you"

lol

Yeah, right.

It must have been the only plane in the air, huh? This crap is unbelievable. If they always spotted aircraft contrails, there would have never been an article.

They know exactly where and when and have multiple vistas from which to check their data, as well as the most sophisticated radar data on the planet, but they still can't figure out WHICH plane it was. Either the military and NASA are complete idiots, or there is more to the story.

If they tried to point to a specific flight like 808, it could be proven to not be the source (which it was), so they dance around with pretty pictures from space instead of answering the question.

If it was a plane, which plane was it?

I guess that I am probably missing something. I have tried to keep up with all the posts, but it is difficult.
If this was Flight AWE808 from Honolulu to Phoenix then why was the "plane" going out to Sea? At least that is what I believed the reports stated. Seems to me that it would be the opposite direction.

Why is it so hard to believe credible sources like New Scientist?

Now the plane that is being said to be responsible for the contrail is UPS 902 which by the way was on the same path as 808. So here is where things seem to get interesting and that is how come only one contrail yet two planes in the almost same flight path. Were these two planes piggy backing each other (yes I know that is impossible for two airplanes of that size to do this). In fact shouldn't there have been a second contrail for the other plane? Still questions that do not seem to have answers to.

2 planes = 2 contrails

2 planes = 1 contrail

I don't claim to be an aerospace engineer but it doesn't take one to see that 2 planes on the same path wouldn't produce only one contrail especially if one of those planes were producing a contrail that size. I would love to see that explanation on how 2 planes will only produce a single contrail. Please feel free to enlighten me with that explanation if you can.

reply to post by ararisq


I am with you on this one. That photo doesn't really show anything conclusive as to it being a contrail in fact it looks just like the other white lines in the photo. If you look close there are many other white lines that I guess you could call contrails as they look like the one that is the main focus in the photo.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

The two flights were not on the same track or same altitude.
The two flights were different aircraft types.
US808 was in the area 30 minutes before UPS902

Wow, one day later goes from "missle" to "plane",, i guess in the interest's of national security its ok to change your word.,, ok we all get it now,, ( i might say really great work people, if this is the most,,transparent, national security issue since ,, well i dont know when,,) ok,, Yes It Was A Plane,,,,,,beep i mean bleep,,bahh,,never mind.

reply to post by Phage


Why the interest in filming a contrail from a news helicopter, you would think they would be well used to most varying visuals of contrails. What was their Raison d'être in that area.

reply to post by Phage


I would have maybe agreed with that except one no two things.Okay first you say they weren't at the same altitude well my friend they were and that is shown below. Now the second thing is that they were in the same area around the same time. Lets look now a flight from L.A to Phoenix is an hour flight. Now if we look you can see that 808 was to arrive in Phoenix at 7 pm MST. Now that would have put 808 in the L.A area at 6 pm PST still with me. Now UPS 902 was scheduled to be landing at 6 pm PST in Ontario,Ca,. It actually arrived at 6:02 which is shown below. Also 808 was sceduled to land at 7pm MST and it actually landed early as shown below,so it seems they were in the same area around the time. Almost forgot they were both flying at 37000 ft also shown below. If you want to check for yourself you will find it here..first for 808

flightaware.com...

and now 902 here it is..

flightaware.com...



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UPS902
United Parcel Service "UPS"


Aircraft McDonnell Douglas MD-11 (tri-jet) (H/MD11/Q - track or photos)
Origin Honolulu Intl (PHNL - track or info)
Destination Ontario Intl (KONT - track or info)
Other flights between these airports
Route MKK4 EBBER R577 EDSEL FICKY C1177 SXC OCN BONDO HDF SB (Decode)
Date Monday, November 08 2010
Duration 5 hours 3 minutes
Status Landed over a week ago. (track log & graph)
Distance Direct: 2,602 sm Flown: 2,837 sm
Fare $50.53 to $1,297.95; average: $313.93 (airline insight)
Scheduled 7-day Average Actual/Estimated
Departure 10:55AM HST 10:31AM HST 10:59AM HST
Arrival 06:00PM PST 05:18PM PST 06:02PM PST
Speed Mach .85
Altitude 37,000 feet


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AWE808
US Airways "Cactus

Aircraft Boeing 757-200 (twin-jet) (B752/Q - track or photos)
Origin Terminal M / Honolulu Intl (PHNL - track or info)
Destination Terminal 4 / Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX - track or info)
Other flights between these airports
Route MKK4 FITES R578 FICKY C1177 SXC TRM BLH GEELA3 (Decode)
Date Monday, November 08 2010
Duration 5 hours 36 minutes
Status Arrived over a week ago. (track log & graph)
Distance Direct: 2,916 sm Flown: 3,101 sm
Fare $53.09 to $1,798.90; average: $259.11 (airline insight)
Scheduled 7-day Average Actual/Estimated
Departure 09:55AM HST 09:21AM HST 10:06AM HST
Arrival 07:11PM MST 05:59PM MST 06:42PM MST
Speed 449 kts
Altitude 37,000 feet

I hope you enjoy the reading. Also notice they were on the same flight path.

So how come we only see one contrail instead of two

You know I seem to find it interesting that we have two planes at the same altitude yet only one plane caused the contrail. So as I see it there should have been another contrail or am I missing something here? Just womdering.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h You know I seem to find it interesting that we have two planes at the same altitude yet only one plane caused the contrail. So as I see it there should have been another contrail or am I missing something here? Just womdering.

Yes, you are. You are looking at the scheduled data, not the actual flight data.

Time (EST) Lat Long Heading Speed Altitude
UPS902
08:15PM 32.77 -121.14 75° 506 38,900

US808
08:15PM 33.56 -116.21 88° 516 37,000

At 5:15 US808 was approaching the Salton Sea in south central California. UPS902 was 290 miles behind it, 158 miles away from Catalina Island.

Data from Flightaware:
US808
UPS902

It really gets tiresome when people have not paid any attention to the data which has been provided...many times.

reply to post by Phage


So let me get this straight. You are posting a link to flight aware am I right. This is where you say the flight data is at correct? Funny thing about that site if you go and click on the link that is for live tracking is not for the 8th it is for yesterday and today. Now go and click on the other link it will take you to the flight data for those planes on the 8th. Now if you go back up and check out my earlier post guess what you will find, are you ready for this...
It is the same info from the same site I posted earlier so you should look at it and compare it to the data you have. I guess you are going to have do better than that.

reply to post by Phage


So where did you get this info from?

At 5:15 US808 was approaching the Salton Sea in south central California. UPS902 was 290 miles behind it, 158 miles away from Catalina Island.

Funny but why are you showing me this info for

Time (EST) Lat Long Heading Speed Altitude UPS902 08:15PM 32.77 -121.14 75° 506 38,900 US808 08:15PM 33.56 -116.21 88° 516 37,000 At 5:15 US808 was approaching the Salton Sea in south central California. UPS902 was 290 miles behind it, 158 miles away from Catalina Island

Interesting but both planes had already landed before 8:15 pm. So what does this have to do with two planes on the ground? As you can see from the info on your flight data page flight 808 had landed at 6:42 and UPS 902 landed at 6:02. so how can a plane be flying inbound at 8:15 when they have already landed at 6:02 pm and at 6:42 pm please feel free to show me how that works.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

The times (as pointed out) are eastern standard time, that is what EST means.

All times are in USA: Eastern time to prevent confusion due to time zone crossing.

flightaware.com...

Originally posted by Cyberspy
Why is it so hard to believe credible sources like New Scientist?

edit on 17-11-2010 by Cyberspy because: (no reason given)

I wish I knew... Sounds juvenile to me.

AWE808

reply to post by Phage


You do know that those EST times are not for the actual arrival times for these flights. See below...

This is from flightware for the 808 flight.AWE808
Date Monday, November 08,2010
Scheduled 7-day Average Actual/Estimated
Departure 09:55AM HST 09:21AM HST 10:06AM HST
Arrival 07:11PM MST 05:59PM MST 06:42PM MST
Speed 449 kts
Altitude 37,000 feet

and this for UPS 902.also from flightaware.

UPS902
United Parcel Service "UPS"

Date Monday, November 08 2010
Scheduled 7-day Average Actual/Estimated
Departure 10:55AM HST 10:31AM HST 10:59AM HST
Arrival 06:00PM PST 05:18PM PST 06:02PM PST
Speed Mach .85
Altitude 37,000 feet

Please notice the actual arrival times for both flights and they are for PST (UPS 902) and MST ( flight 808 ). They do not use EST to show actual arrival times because if they did people would be at the airport 4 hours before the plane arrives. Look at the arrival times and neither say EST.

Also remember now this is where you have linked for the actual flight data. It shows what time zone that they were in when landing and neither are for the Eastern Time Zone.