Another Weeping Virgin Mary Statue found, this time in Windsor Canada

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
Only Catholics worship statues. Regular christians don't believe in that sort of thing as this is against bible teachings.

Roman Catholics actually.... they are the ones who worship statues, Catholics do not.

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by adjensen

 

How does a statue drink milk?

Indeed. I have no idea, but I’m assuming the same process is in place that allows Christian idols to leak oil.

Interesting, thanks for the additional information.

Though I am a Christian, I think that physical explanations for a lot of miracles exist -- doesn't mean that God wasn't involved, doesn't mean that there's not a miracle -- God may send a message through physical means. Weeping statues, for example, might be the result of condensation or something internal to the rock coming out through a small fissure (as well as someone falsifying the event.)

But I'm not sure what might explain the disappearance of milk (it would be curious to see if other liquids would vanish in the same manner) as opposed to the appearance of something. Short of trickery, of course, or an actual supernatural event.

Originally posted by dereks
Roman Catholics actually.... they are the ones who worship statues, Catholics do not.

reply to post by FlyersFan


catholics Do worship/pray to, bow down to and kiss statues/icons
they worship man/ pope, they think Jesus lies, has no time or something to do what He said such as Intercede and many other things catholics have entrusted to priests and pedos
they worship/pray to Mary and as wonderful as she WAS she IS DEAD

Oh .. and Catholics are Christians by the Strictest defination ONLY

I was raised roman catholic, we dont worship statues or Mary. Deny ignorance and google this stuff before spreading lies.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

catholics Do worship/pray to, bow down to and kiss statues/icons
they worship man/ pope, they think Jesus lies, has no time or something to do what He said such as Intercede and many other things catholics have entrusted to priests and pedos
they worship/pray to Mary and as wonderful as she WAS she IS DEAD

Oh .. and Catholics are Christians by the Strictest defination ONLY

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I take it you are not a Catholic.
Sigh.
Have you ever once in your life been to a Catholic Mass?
Have you ever once in your life read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in hand (not a bastardized Internet version)?

Do so, then you are qualified to "quantify" what a Catholic may or may not be and do.

This is pure evil. Satan using Mary to promote occultism and idol worship. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Carseller4
This is pure evil. Satan using Mary to promote occultism and idol worship. Plain and simple.

No, it's not. It's actually a message from the Holy Side. See my post on page 1.

reply to post by ReginaAdonnaAaron


They don't call Satan the "Great Deceiver" for nothing.

Jesus said the only way to the father is through him. Not Mary, not the Saints. He made it so simple, yet people try to make it hard and that gives Satan a way to confuse people. Using Mary works every time.

Originally posted by Carseller4
This is pure evil. Satan using Mary to promote occultism and idol worship. Plain and simple.

I'm very close with some folks who live in Windsor. From the way it was explained to me, this was all designed by the folks at who's house this was 'found' to create a rucus and then make an even bigger rucus when it was moved to a church, thus boosting some pretty flagging attendance at that church which was bluilt not all that long ago and is hurting for funds to pay for it.

Just sayin' . . .

But, from what I'm told, it was quite the contentious issue in Windsor . .. radio call in shows, local newspaper, national television reports and the like.

Kinda interesting, but at the same time sad because Windsor is literally the Detroit of Ontario . . . armpit of the province and hit very very very hard by economic hard times as it was an automotive city. Now it's basically boobie and kiddie bars.

A lot of people were showing up at the house where this statue was located and were praying for devine financial intervention.

Anyhoots, now they can all go down the road about two miles to the church it was moved to a pray for their salvation.

reply to post by GoalPoster


Well that is sad to hear.

Originally posted by yeahright
Can you explain for us your distinction between Roman Catholics and Catholics?

Roman Catholics follow the church of Rome, with the Pope as leader.

catholics are members of the Christian Church, as per the Nicene Creed - "And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church"

the catholic church there is not the church of Rome, but has the meaning "(among Anglo-Catholics) noting or pertaining to the conception of the church as the body representing the ancient undivided Christian witness, comprising all the orthodox churches that have kept the apostolic succession of bishops, and including the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, Church of Sweden, the Old Catholic Church (in the Netherlands and elsewhere), etc. "

As to the worship of Mary by Romsan Catholics...
www.allaboutreligion.org...

Originally posted by dereks
As to the worship of Mary by Romsan Catholics...
www.allaboutreligion.org...

reply to post by dereks


I like how the link only attacks two of the "false" Roman Catholic teachings about Mary, and then proclaims there isn't enough "room" to list them all there...

As far as the "false" belief in Mary's sinless nature, the link you provided lists two quotes from Romans (3:10 & 3:23) that "attack" this principle. The one from Revelations is ridiculous. Angels aren't holy? John the Baptist wasn't holy? That quote is completely cherry picked out of context, and I won't waste time on it.

In his Letter to the Romans, read in context Paul is quoting from the Old Testament Psalm 14 verses 1-5. Similarly, he quotes from Psalm 53.
www.biblegateway.com

He is referring to the evildoers, none of who do right, in that Psalm. If he meant all men without exception have sinned, then the Psalm makes no sense at all when it refers to the righteous children of God in the next verses.
He is actually talking about us suffering under the burden of original sin.

It is easy to see what he meant when the Bible is read in context.

And, in considering Luke 1:6... how can the parents of John the Baptist be righteous before God and considered "blameless" if they were sinners, in accordance to your interpretation of Paul's Letter to the Romans?

Furthermore, in Genesis 3:15 God told the serpent, Satan he would put emnity- defined as a feeling of hostility or ill will, as between enemies- between he and the Woman. The woman who God is referring to is Mary, her offspring who will crush the head of the serpent is Jesus. Now, if one sins, don't they "befriend" Satan? Isn't he a lover of sin? How can one who has emnity with the father of Sin do that which would bring them closer?

Mary is referred to by Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit to proclaim as "full of Grace". Grace is what we obtain when we have achieved God's will for us and are following His commandments, blameless.

And frankly, why is it so hard for non Catholic Christians to accept this teaching? Why would God Himself be born and raised by anyone other than a sinless, pure woman, the new Eve? God made Eve sinless and she fell. Why wouldn't He make Mary sinless as well, as she is the ark of the Redeemer?

Jesus did give us all Mary from the Cross. "All nations will call me Blessed".
We are to take her in our homes. She is the Mother of all, as revealed in Revelation. Jesus Christ spent thirty of his thirty three years of life with His mother. He gave three years to his public ministry.
He loved and cherished her. He is the Redeemer. She is a co-mediatrix who is an ever present intercessor for the cooperation of subjective redemption with her Son, Jesus Christ. What child, when they want something, does not ask their Mother to talk to their Father on their behalf? We intercede on earth for our children, our friends, our coworkers to each other... why is Heaven regarded as so different?

Statues, stained glass, ceiling paintings, beautiful works of art, made perfect by the muse and hand of the artist.

When I visit the National Gallery to gaze upon Da Vinci's The Virgin on the Rocks, could my indulgence be said to be an act of worship? I say not.

As for why christians sometimes seek blessings or communion through saints and angels rather than through Christ is because, contrary to popular misconception, we remain flawed. Sometimes, the perfection of God is too much for the frail human heart to bear. Sometimes, in my shame, I even find it difficult to approach Jesus directly. I personally choose to not seek intercession from the saints or angels; I wait until I've got over my beef with God and then I commune directly.

The article debunking the Windsor statue as a money spinning hoax, does not mean all such phenomena are hoaxs. What initially struck me with this OP was that Windsor is in Ontario, the same province that saw the Toronto Blessing in 1994. This phenomenon was also subject to debunking and ridicule. Many people travelled to Toronto, boosting tourism, increasing prosperity. The Anglican Church was divided. Is it Truly of God, an outpouring of the Spirit to revive the Church? Is it a hoax, the work of the enemy, to deceive many?

As the Toronto Blessing brought many to be Born Again, it is my opinion that it was of God and not a Hoax.

But of course, those who worship money will have seen only the material prosperity and so if a hoax, this statue is just a drive-by copycat.

If after scientific testing, the statue remains phenomenal, many christians will test it in Spirit by praying and asking for miracles. If miracles can be attributed to it, as is believed with, for example, Lourdes, then some christians will accept this is not a hoax.

Until the scientific tests prove hoax, I prefer to keep an open mind about the nature of the phenomenon but, again in my opinion, this statue, whilst beautiful, is not a work of art.