Obama gets 53,670 new jobs in the US with 20 Indian deals

Originally posted by Curiousisall
reply to post by badgerprints

 

What makes you think this was all done in just a few hours? Your rant seems more angry and less logical. What exactly are you speaking out against? The idea that this story of jobs is true because you do not think he was there long enough to work this all out or what? I am just curious.

Good questions.
What involvement did Obama actually have in the "Jobs he got?" I'd like to know the extent of it instead of just the headline claiming he created these jobs by going to India.

What am I speaking out against? Did I make a statement against Obama? Nope. Simply asking questions. Not many on this site seem to do that any more. They usually attack each other and forget to ask who what when where why?

I want to know who actually created these deals and why. I want to know if Obama is getting "credit" for doing so as a political move. I mainly want to know why we can pass 1.4 trillion dollar spending bills for so called recovery and stimulus but can't create as many jobs as a handfull of deals with india for 10 bil. I'd like to know if these 53670 jobs are actual full time jobs that are sustainable or are they shake and bake positions that will dissappear when the contracts are gone.

I want to know why we have to go to India to get any jobs at all.

Have they lost the knowledge it actually takes to create jobs here in the US without the help of a foriegn nation?

Just a few questions that go past the headlines and the hype.

By the way, if asking questions is ranting. Then we need more of it.

53K new jobs? That will be nothing compared to the jobs that are lost once Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire in January.

reply to post by Holly N.R.A.


I can't find the link. Maybe someone here can, but I was reading last night that the jobs that are being created are jobs for Americans but not here in the US.

They're some kind of managemant positions for Americans being created in India.

If this is true then all I can say is "Good job Obama. Good job."

reply to post by Holly N.R.A.

Somewhat confused here....America was working, not too long ago...then we outsourced our jobs to India because it was cheaper to pay workers there...Now, Obama has won some 53,000 jobs for jobless Americans???

Why didn't we just keep them in the first place??? What wages will the Americans be paid and where will they work out of...India, so the overhead can be kept low???

Yea, how exactly does this work?

I'm confused.

If anyone here gets a job let me know.

Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap
reply to post by badgerprints

 

So, when the government does something wrong, it is all Obama's fault.
When the government does something right, Obama had nothing to do with it.

Did I say Obama was wrong?
Nope. I said I wanted to know how much of this was actually his doing and what involvement did he have.

As far as having foriegn customers that is a given. But a 10 bil. contract with India is a drop in the bucket and can create 50K jobs while 1.4 trillion can't create squat in the states?
I'm also curious as to why they will crow about 50K jobs created on Obamas trip but still won't fully disclose the number of jobs lost in the states and the full extent of unemployment.

It's just awful hard to celebrate the charity of India in giving us contracts for temp jobs when we can't stop the massive losses of jobs here at home.

I'd just like to know why he's such a hero over 50,000 when tens of millions are out of work.
Once again. Just asking questions.

reply to post by badgerprints


It's because the media simplifies everything. When the government does something, even when it is merely presiding over or participating in business talks overseas, they simplify it to Obama (or Clinton, or Pelosi, or whatever other major personality is relevant). They don't tell you who actually does what because they don't have the time to do the research. The news media has always been little more than a rumour mill because by the time they check their facts, the news may not even be relevant anymore. It is always a race to get the information out as fast as possible, and that means making it as compact as possible, even when it sacrifices accuracy in reporting.

As if Obama actually did anything to "get" these jobs They were already in the works and it's not like he actually did anything to negotiate for them. That is why CEO's were there! At best he offered some deals in the actual legalities of it all. The thing we need to pay attention to is how China will react to all of this. China and India are not on friendly terms to say the least. This may have consequences to it. Smart play on Obamas part to try and woo India into closer ties w/the US. They are at a bad place between Pakistan and China. In the very near future a alliance with India may save both countries some hardship, but for now it's all photo ops over the jobs "Obama acquired for us". One hand wash's the other, just don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

WHy with India? America used to make everything almost! now its outsourced to sweatshop slave labor countrys, like india. I got nothing at all agaisnt India, but the businesses articles about it i question. I read here, it would be at american wages* are you talking part time? full time hours? hourly vs salary? do those jobs come with pensions, like how it used to be decades ago? huge differece! if he created these 53,000 jobs, and most or all are like crappy retail pay n hours...then its not really much at all, ya know?
Supprised he ddint try with i dunno Israel? Ive bought fuel filters for my car over the years, replacing them, bought from a local NAPA....made in Israel. Same thing with 2 Purolaotr fuel filters i purchsed few hours from an Advace auto store...made in ISrael. ONly the dealer fuel filter, was made in USA for the same amount of cash...im staying with american made as much as possible

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


Yeah,
I understand that. Unfortunately the media has almost done away with reporting and details altogether.
The stories are merely a backlight for their opinions.

I'd really like to know if this India job thing is the result of a genuine effort by the Obama administration on behalf of the citizens of the US to create jobs. The lack of detail available tells me it is not. The lack of detail also tells me that when the full specifics of the deals are known then they won't be nearly as beneficial as they are made out to be.
I'd also like to know which political and commercial interests are benefiting from this 10 bil. deal and how much cash is going into the pockets of the players and politicians.

Been looking but haven't found much detail on any of this.

as if the unemployed would ever even get one of these jobs...Most employers out there will hardly hire anybody that has a record of ongoing unemployment...so pretty much if you're out of a job, too bad because we won't hire you

Oh yah?? Where the heck are they?? Who gets them? When and where do we apply??? Oh, it's just more numbers getting thrown around of course...

reply to post by badgerprints


Business and government don't always work together even when both sides sincerely want to. Obama could announce that he is trying to open new trade relations with Israel, or Vietnam, and it won't amount to anything unless business leaders line up to join him. There could be a large number of businesses looking to do business with those countries, and there may not be.

Even if there are American businesses willing to do new business overseas, they can't do it unless foreign businesses are willing to buy their goods. In a global recession, there really isn't much that anybody can do when it comes to creating new trade links - - there's not enough money to go around.

However, India and China are already both coming out of this recession stronger than before. There is a growing demand for imports in those countries, which previously relied heavily on exports. Now there is a market.

The role of the US government in this is, as far as I know, twofold. One, they help to reduce trade barriers and open new channels for trade. Two, they bring the massive resources of the state to bear on new deals (mostly the social connections that the state can provide). Remember that corporations and their leaders are US citizens too, that they pay the most tax dollars into the state, and that they can call on the support of the state just the same as any other citizen. It's just that they can afford to fly the President down to work his charismatic magic on their new business partners in India, whereas the average citizen can only afford to go to the embassy for aid.

Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

Even if there are American businesses willing to do new business overseas, they can't do it unless foreign businesses are willing to buy their goods. In a global recession, there really isn't much that anybody can do when it comes to creating new trade links - - there's not enough money to go around.

Ok, Your post makes sense and I agree.
Here's the problem though.

They pulled a "stimulus" package that basically panned out to 1.4 trillion (ish)
Plenty of money there.
The 10 bil that is creating 53670 jobs should handily extrapolate.
If the 1.4 tril. had actually gone to create jobs then we would be looking at 7.5 million jobs in the US that weren't there before. Now we get 53670 with a measley 10 bil spent.

There WAS plenty of money to go around at one point.

Another factor that hasn't been addressed is that the president and his party had 2 years to do whatever they wanted but all of the legislation making it profitable for companies to pull jobs from the US and put them elsewhere are still in place. We are still losing jobs to foriegn countries because legislation still provides loopholes that let companies take away an American citizens job. Give it to someone in another country and then turn around and expect this same American who has no job to buy products from that company. They wonder why consumption can only be done with credit. It's because they have removed the income from within the US borders.

The Obama administration has has 2 years with a mandate to make the changes it would take to stop our country from hemmoraging jobs and has only compounded the problem by making it even more costly for the US businesses to operate within US borders.

So, we had money. We had a mandate to make the changes. We apparently had the knowhow to make 50thousand job deals at 10 bil. a pop. We did nothing.

How does this add up?

Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap
reply to post by Holly N.R.A.

 

These are contracts for exports from America to India. An export is produced in America and then shipped overseas. Americans will be working in America at American wages.

The jobs were sent overseas because the corporatists in government, ESPECIALLY in the Republican Party, bought into the myth of Voodoo economics.

The Capitalist mantra is Work Makes You Free. That is the American Dream; to slave away until eventually you succeed, and wealth gives you freedom. If there is anything to be suspicious of here, it is the American people demanding more labour.

Thanks for clearing the waters a bit for me. The conundrum of how Work Makes You Free....always seemed to be an oxymoron to me...this whole situation could turn into a massa/slave relationship right before unopened eyes.

CEO/POLITs will say anything, promise to do anything, and those that are getting as "hungry" as a lot of Americans are will gladly eat at the "banquet" of air.

reply to post by badgerprints


Nah, it was a rant about how this all happened too quickly for it to make sense to you. This second post is basically a whole new thought. This one is better. Asking questions is fine but all I saw was some stuff about how this happened in just a few hours and how that did not sit well with you. So then what I did was, I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS. Someone just said somewhere more people should do that. Any idea who? So, I guess I do not get an answer to my question about your assumption this all happened in a few hours as well as getting admonished for asking for clarification all while yammering on about how people need to ask more questions. Sheesh. Try breaking that up into two posts so it does not seem so blatantly hypocritical. I am so sorry I asked you some questions. I will never do it again.

p.s. I never said anything about you speaking out against Obama so you pointing out you did not makes no sense since I did not saying anything about that. Again, I asked a question. Apologies. I thought asking was good. Especially when you are not sure about something. I even swear you said so but I guess I am wrong all over the place. Carry on.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
reply to post by Holly N.R.A.

 

I can't find the link. Maybe someone here can, but I was reading last night that the jobs that are being created are jobs for Americans but not here in the US.

They're some kind of managemant positions for Americans being created in India.

If this is true then all I can say is "Good job Obama. Good job."

Intelearthling....thanks for the read and reply...please, see if you can find the article you are
looking for...it would be quite interesting a read for sure.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


Keep holding onto your ankles

The number of jobs he is creating is nothing compared to the number of jobs that are being lost everyday. Also Obama is not the one doing any deals it is the CEO's that went to India; Obama is just there for the golf, and exotic bathroom action.

Smoke and mirrors every last dime !!!

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I agree. Everyone seems to forget that Obama had a very big pile of crap to clean up once he took office. He took the office at the exact worst time possible, for any president. So many things to do, that one man can only move so fast. Yet everyone expects the problems to be solved tomorrow.... Well no, that's impossible. America has gone so far down the crapper, that a plunger just won't fix it. It's going to take time, years, possibly decades, before all the problems are solved. Obama focus's on one thing at a time, and that is the only way it can be done. Put too much on your plate and you don't want to eat it. Obama is smart enough to know that. I think he is one of the best things to happen to America in the past few decades. Yes, he does make promises that he doesn't appear to keep, but that is because you're expecting that promise too soon. Give him time, it's only been two years, america needs 20. Everything was rock bottom for him when he started. Since, he has ended the war in Iraq, fixed health care, at least a little bit, done something about immigration, and now his main focus is the economy. He is trying to create jobs, because America's economy is terrible, and it can't be fixed overnight, but at least give him some kudos for trying, even if it fails. With an economy that bad, it probably will crash, But Obama, is trying to make it last as long as possible. If he didn't take drastic measures, the economy would have probably tanked by now. Look at the big picture people, stop looking at just Obama. Look at what he's up against, and how much crap he has to fight through to get even a single one of his idea's into action.

Omg yay! The savior has brought us new jobs, lets make this the biggest story of the year so his goodwill gets spread all throughout the world. 53,670 jobs, Seriously. He spent 2 billion, [this number is not a fact, but is just an amount I have seen in various other articles] of that for the trip to go there. Companies from the united states are being sent out of the country all the time, why doesn't the president stop this? I had to move to a bigger town because all the companies back at my hometown was going being sent out, Dana, which is the main plant keeping the economy at my old town, is being sent to Mexico this December. I feel sorry for my family and friends that are still there. Around 500 [a rational guess of the number of employees this facility holds] people will be laid off in this small town, this may not seem to be much to you, but for my old town this is a lot of people, and could cause a lot of foreclosures, including my dad which have been working with the company for over 20 some years.

Look people, many sit and say Obama is doing all the he can do with what he has been given. Tell me why he felt it necessary to make a lawsuit on one of our own states trying to fight illegal immigration which is another big cause of unemployment of America. I'm not even going to get into the health care matter, but explain this to me, Obamas Mess Now I wasn't for bush either, and I'm neither republic nor democrat just for an FYI.

The point of my little rant is that Obama has dug his own grave on this one, blaming it on Bush just doesn't cut it anymore.

So my question is, isn't there not a dam telephone in the white house that obama could make a few phone calls,so that the tax payers are not footing the 200 million dollar a day bill

the absurdity of making a measley 50,000 jobs with the amount that it is taking to achieve, is insanity in itself, do the math here people.