Scientology - a mob style hollywood shake down

Ive been doing some searching on scientology on ATS and other websites and was shocked to find out how many people think it's a real religion.....

It is nothing more than an exclusive club celebrities have created...
If George Lucas came out and said "I have created this new religion, and it involves Death Stars and Wookies." everyone would instantly call "Bull#."

It would be silly to think these actors would believe something like this.. especially the seemingly "smart" celebs like Will Smith..

But L Ron Hubbard created this "religion" to make money.. a pyramid scheme hiding behind the veil of religion. They send their croonies to your house and literally harass you until you join, and then they demand mass amounts of money...

and no up and coming actor is gonna say no because the amount of work offered would be limited
- see-
Tom Cruise owns United Artists


Now look at this
Operation Snow White

Operation Snow White was a conspiracy carried out by members of the Church of Scientology to infiltrate 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and it's founder L Ron...

so they wanted to break into these government offices and change what they had written about them...that doesn't sound too bad.. a little misguided perhaps but not sinister.... except for the fact the people that were caught were charged with wiretapping and stealing of government documents

the only other people i know that would steal documents would be the nefarious type that would use them for blackmail

I've heard of religions doing "bad" things but Operation Snow White was the single largest infiltration of the United States Government

The Us Government initiated an investigation that led to the discovery of another conspiracy they had in the works, Operation Freakout
Operation Freakout

Operation Freakout was a plan to have Paulette Cooper, a US journalist, imprisoned or sent to the loony bin

the plan included
- "wide-scale exposure of her sex life"
- having her subscribed to pornographic mailing lists
- stealing her stationary and writing bomb threats to themselves from "her", causing the DEA to conduct a thorough investigation after finding her finger prints..
- painted her name and number on the walls of buildings in shady areas of town in the hopes of her receiving obscene phone calls

The planning document, dated April 1, 1976, declared the aim to be “[t]o remove PC from her position of power so that she cannot attack the C of S [Church of Scientology].”

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This was all 30 years ago, but that's the thing... they have gotten better at it....

read what they say about brain washing on their sponsored myth-buster type website
Brain Washing/Question Dodging

reply to post by squirelnutz


Having read some of Hubbard's stories, and viewing the inane and preposterous actions of the celebrities that belong to the pseudo-cult, I've come to the theory that Scientology is really just a celebrity adventure club. They have little ceremonies and speak about their beliefs, they go on summits and spend large sums of money in a careless manner. The more you spend, the more you know about the "religion", therefore it's more like a reality paranoia game than a religion, although Cruise and Travolta can believe whatever they want. Either that or some sort of MKULTRA assimilation program- I jest.

reply to post by DoctorLostgrave


they do mention programing and deprograming on their myth website
www.scientologymyths.info...

i know that they bigger named celebrities (Cruise, smith) wont work with people if they were to speak out against the group so that unfortunately makes it about their work.. Most people wouldn't risk losing their job to speak up...

Maybe Randy Quad is right all along, but it is Tom Cruise, Mission: Impossible style

Its just like like any cult set up or annexed by the powers that be. Just enough life changing info to make you invest your time money and more, a social structure, psychological techniques and a definate "cap" on how much you can learn.

Might I clarify, do you think the idea that Star Wars is just as good material to base a real belief system?

As far as I can tell something like the Orion Wars really did happen and a lot of "fiction" is actually fact.

I don't think scientology is just for celebrities. When my dad was in his 20's he visited one of their churches once and left soon after realizing it was BS. He gave them no info but recieved a letter from them the next day. He continued to recieve letters from them, at severeal addressed around the country, having not replied or talked to them at all. Even when he returned from a year in another country they found the address he was staying at and contacted him. He finally wrote back and told them to leave him alone and they did.. They seem to care quite a lot, even about no bodies...

I used to really like Will Smith

I saw a scientology demonstration at a local flea market. It was a booth set up to do "FREE STRESS TEST", and had scientology literature on the table. There was a big display with a large dial there that had two cables running out of it into two metal cylinders. The object was to hold a cylinder in each hand and the machine would measure the level of stress in your body they said by determining the resistance of the flow of ions through your body that the tubes projected. I immediately called BULLS$$T on it but grabbed the tubes anyway, and quickly found that the harder you squeezed the tubes the higher the needle registered on the dial. The girl at the booth practically yelled at me "DON'T SQUEEZE THE TUBES, DON'T SQUEEZE THEM", but really....what was she going to do? I squeezed them like a chronic master-baiter until she finally asked/told me to leave.

Some of the things they come up with are so totally bizzare you have to wonder if any of them really take it seriously.

Such as: (copy&paste)

# A past life as a robot working in a factory in space, which had gold animals hanging around it which "appeared solid but periodically imploded or exploded". It ground up discs to make small animals, which were then "inflated after blowing up through a totem and a cat devil" before being sent to other planets. A planet blew up, and the robot was blamed. He was drugged and forced to work the grinder.[14]
# A past life "55 quintillion years ago" in which the being had to do outside repairs on a space ship. He suffered radiation burns and fell off, plunging into an ocean on the planet below. A manta ray killed him and he in turn inhabited the manta ray.[14]
# A past life as a trouble-making free being on Mars "469,476,600 years ago". He tried to inhabit a "doll body", but he was captured and beaten up. The being was zapped with a ray gun by a Martian bishop in front of a congregation chanting "God is Love", before being run over by a large car and a steamroller. He was then frozen in an ice cube and dropped on Planet ZX 432, where he took another robot body and zapped and killed another robot. He took off in a flying saucer, and died when it exploded.[14]
# A past life in which a being went to a planet where the forces of good were fighting evil black magic forces. After 74,000 years of battle, implants and hallucinations, he lost the fight, and joined the black magic side. He went to another planet on a space ship, where he was "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful red-haired girl."[14]
# Being transformed into an intergalactic walrus which perished after falling out of a flying saucer.
# Being "a very happy being who ... strayed to the planet Nostra" 23,064,000,000 years ago.


Really? My five year old tells stories like this & even HE doesn't really believe it.

A bit of back ground first.
I'm 73 now and this started when I was about 10 years old. !0 was the age I realized that some wasn't kosher in Christianity. The way I saw it, IT wasn't being taught right. I had no promoting other than an inner awareness and listening to Sunday school teachers every Sunday. No parental input.
Skip to about 1960, 23 years old and I was introduced to the Science of Mind Church (SoM). AT the first sermon I heard I knew they had it right. One of the things that I came to realize during this period was that one of, if not the most important factor, was that religion should release you from fear as it is fear that blocks you from growing spiritually.

So as people around me knew I was into the SoM they would say, oh, you should look into Scientology. Well I had no desire to look into Scientology, but one day while passing a book display in a May store I saw I paper back of the Scientology book, so I bought it. Went out to the car and sat there and read about four pages and set it down and never picked it up again. Why? Well, within the first four pages they were using fear to sucker you in. Goodbye.

And over the years I have seen them use fear to substantiate their existence. This, to me, is not a credible organization.

There is a religion based on Star Wars and it's called "Jediism." Granted it's not sanctioned by George Lucas but I digress, Scientology is a farce. I've heard rumors that it was a drunken bar bet or that Hubbard was so egotistical that he knew if he made people would listen and he was right. Germany has the right idea!

I think people that are not very intellectual but can act (tom cruise) (will smith) like to hear themselves be called a scientologist because its almost like your saying there a scientist... Maybe they got HUUUUUGE EGOS

im a scientologist *believe me* crap.

maybe i should've been a little more clear in my OP but I'm not trying to attack the Church for their Religious Beliefs..

I think that if any religion can take you out of the darkness, then it was worth it... Ive seen many family members overcome drugs after believing in "higher powers" and such and while I may not share the same belief it turned them into better people and i thank religion for that...

I did say their ideology was silly but that was my own belief and i apologize for bringing that into the discussion


What I am getting at is the extortion part of it... they do use fear to make money by harassment, bullying and blackmail as evident by the links provided and they did commit the Largest Infiltration in US government history...

I don't know about you, but if any other group, that DIDN'T have money, did that they would be labeled terrorists and instantly disbanded....

Their use of money is part of the religious process for them. They tell you you need these books, you need to get audited, you need to join seaorg, etc. You pay more the higher you go. Your audits end up costing 30 grand a piece and you have to sign a contract with seaorg that you will work for nothing for a billion years while being discouraged from having a family. Little is done because of the money and because if you're not a Scientologist you are not to be trusted and any ex-scientologists are automatically labelled insane and/or liars with no proof. There have been murders within scientology covered up by them because no one will speak out and if they do it's harassment out the eyeballs. They have dozens, if not hundreds of lawyers, world wide ready to harass and sue whomever they have to to protect this "religion."

I mentioned Scientology , along with a few others here on ATS, as being the possible reason for the Quaids fear and wanting to live in Canada. To my chagrin, apparently no one saw my, or the other posts about this in the thread from last week posted here on ATS.

Glad to see someone that is "accepted" here posted about it again, and possibly a discussion can be started as to WHY the Quaids really are not Crazy or deluded. Scientology is a very dangerous group of people, whether you have money or you don't. They are very good at what they do, and can make the sanest person appear to be nuttier than a fruit cake.

Talk about home grown terrorists?? They may be one of the best candidates for the title. If anybody reads this I hope it adds to the conversation.

reply to post by March of the Fire Ants


Sure it is, at least some temples are:

listverse.files.wordpress.com...

www.thetechherald.com...

As far as it goes for the lower classes that want to shell out a bunch of clams but aren't as well to do but are just as delusional... Well, they can rent spaces at Motel 8's off of the Interstate freeways (this used to be commonplace before Scientology hit it big with nuts like Cruise).

If it wasn't intentionally designed for celebrities, which I'm not saying it was, then it has become that. Remember, America used to stand for democracy and liberty in it's purest forms - things change.

reply to post by DoctorLostgrave


The leaders of Scientology are goobs that's fer sure. The command structure is cracking badly as of late and the "tech" as they call it is on it's way out, but will probably die slower than it deserves.

Hubbard's occult ties offer the best clue, imo, into where he was coming from. Power mainly. His son, although somewhat crazy-sounding himself, claimed that auditing (the stuff with the tin cans) and other nefarious & dubious Scientology methods were nothing more than "soul-cracking." His wives ended up crazy/dead/institutionalized pretty much...in a manner evocative of Crowley's scarlet women.

So if you haven't run across the tidbit about L. Ron Hubbard attempting to raise--basically--the anti-christ, just google him in conjunction with Crowley and Jack Parsons. It's an interesting read.

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
I mentioned Scientology , along with a few others here on ATS, as being the possible reason for the Quaids fear and wanting to live in Canada. To my chagrin, apparently no one saw my, or the other posts about this in the thread from last week posted here on ATS.

Glad to see someone that is "accepted" here posted about it again, and possibly a discussion can be started as to WHY the Quaids really are not Crazy or deluded. Scientology is a very dangerous group of people, whether you have money or you don't. They are very good at what they do, and can make the sanest person appear to be nuttier than a fruit cake.

Talk about home grown terrorists?? They may be one of the best candidates for the title. If anybody reads this I hope it adds to the conversation.

Dunno specifically about randy quaid and his wife, but, as someone who works in hollywood, I can confirm that scientologists are bat# crazy. They don't just care about celebs. there are lots of non-famous actors, producers, musicians, directors, you name it in it. If you cross them, they will gang up on you. they will follow, harass, and do their best to destroy you. no BS. If randy quaid says these people are after him, he's not crazy. they also use front groups to recruit unsuspecting young industry folks. one of the biggest would be the beverly hills playhouse. they will swear on a stack of bibles they're not trying to recruit anyone into COS, but it's bull#. they are. I know this first hand. I need to look at what randy quaid is saying more closely now..

reply to post by dragonseeker




Randy Quad's "star-whacker" thing is what made me investigate Scientology.. I believe that they are the group he is talking about..

Anyone know the last 20 celebs that died religions?

a reply to: JollyAll

Why didn't you just start a new thread to get your message across instead of spamming the board with the same post in over 30 different threads?