Serious discussion on John Titor quotes that have been haunting me lately...

reply to post by marg6043


Haha your reply to me says my name is anita, lol.

Anyway, it is never going to be decided one way or another if he was a charlatan or a true TT. It really does not matter to me because for whoever he was it did help me to think differently about one possible future and how to prepare for that future. What I found most personal about what I read of his replies was when he talked about the kind of questions he would get and how none of them reflected what was most important after an apocalyptic event happening to the planet and its life.

He said something like no one seemed to ask him about how peoples lives were changed and about spiritual matters which were an important part of the survivors, that lead me to think it was a war of spiritual good verses evil kind of thing and perhaps in the beginning chaos ruled and many people died but in the end people worked together to create communities of like minded hard working individuals, if you were lazy you had to leave, I dont think they allowed deviant behavior or any of the problems we see in todays society like greed and thievery, rape and everything which is not for the good of the whole.

Wouldn't it be a trip if the whole story was put out on the net and that peoples responses are being monitored?

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the spell check change your profile name sorry about that.

Anyway, I am very fascinated by Titor either way, after all he was able to hold people under his futuristic hold for quite some time.

Let see how much of truth his prophetic news hold.

Hey. Do some research bud.
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Lincoln was one of the worst Presidents that the US has ever had, and Bush followed quite close in his footsteps.



I get where you're going but, in context, it seems Titor is praising the "Lincoln wannabe" prez. Not vilifying him as your post goes on to do. I don't think your comparison of the 2 as terrible presidents connects with "Titor"'s statements at all.

Didn't John Titor only time travel because he wanted a 1970or80's PC?

hahaha

Alot of people predicted the United States was going to collapse and they were....right.

The only reason our life is still status quo is because the "Healthcare" Bill was passed which opened up a new revenue source for the Federal Government to borrow from (new projected revenue in 2014). This new Federal Tax will enslave generations to the Baby Boomers now wanting to be cradled to their graves.

Then we had Barrack take out a loan using the 2014 Food Stamp Funds as collateral so he could pay the Union Teachers and Police this year. We are insolvent.

Our Federal Government only collected $900 Billion in Federal Income Taxes last year. $450 Billion was returned as refunds. They only had enough revenue to pay the Annual Interest Payment on the Federal Debt. The only thing keeping us going right now is the Printing Press.

Hence why Saudi Arabia announced a year and a half ago they were going to cease accepting US dollars for oil and start the Gulf Monetary Union. Barrack gave them their Victory Mosque, paid off all their debts, and is giving them $60 Billion in military hardware for free to buy some time.

Barrack kicked this can down the road another day....but this Empire can't exist for much longer on the Printing Press. The world gave him the Nobel Peace Prize because the wealth of the United States and our very future was sacrificed to bail out the world. Now we're going to have to suffer for what he did.

Originally posted by Pervius
Alot of people predicted the United States was going to collapse and they were....right.

The only reason our life is still status quo is because the "Healthcare" Bill was passed which opened up a new revenue source for the Federal Government to borrow from (new projected revenue in 2014). This new Federal Tax will enslave generations to the Baby Boomers now wanting to be cradled to their graves.

Then we had Barrack take out a loan using the 2014 Food Stamp Funds as collateral so he could pay the Union Teachers and Police this year. We are insolvent.

Our Federal Government only collected $900 Billion in Federal Income Taxes last year. $450 Billion was returned as refunds. They only had enough revenue to pay the Annual Interest Payment on the Federal Debt. The only thing keeping us going right now is the Printing Press.

Hence why Saudi Arabia announced a year and a half ago they were going to cease accepting US dollars for oil and start the Gulf Monetary Union. Barrack gave them their Victory Mosque, paid off all their debts, and is giving them $60 Billion in military hardware for free to buy some time.

Barrack kicked this can down the road another day....but this Empire can't exist for much longer on the Printing Press. The world gave him the Nobel Peace Prize because the wealth of the United States and our very future was sacrificed to bail out the world. Now we're going to have to suffer for what he did.

VERY good example. Exactly what I was hoping to achieve in this thread. Its very scary to really sit down and look at factual details of whats going on in this country today that arent being talked about in the general media or by the "norm". Civil War may be the actual only way to get the country back on track for where it needs to go.

In thinking about JT's supposed timeline and how his world has shaped up, the whole idea of have 5 different presidents in 5 different "sections" of the country isnt a bad idea. No one person could make horrible choices for everyone. It would actually take the agreeance of 5 leaders to come up with whats best. Im sure there are those out there who thing this is a horrible idea as well.

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

A general date?! The world we thought we were living in is over? How so? Nothing has changed we pay taxes and die.

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone’s doorstep.

It's been on our doorstep for ages. 2 sides with political agendas, swaying back and forth. Is it because you are paying attention now, that it seems to be occurring?!

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base

Bush/Lincoln - Ummmm, no.
President in 2009 is only interested in keeping his power base?! What the hell does that even mean? The U.S in general wishes to maintain power, so most likely it can be said of any president.

Also: John Titor is a known hoax. Just curious why you would want someone to u2u the proof. Look it up yourself. Or are you only looking up things that portray him as a genuine time traveler.

Originally posted by cluckerspud

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

A general date?! The world we thought we were living in is over? How so? Nothing has changed we pay taxes and die.

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone’s doorstep.

It's been on our doorstep for ages. 2 sides with political agendas, swaying back and forth. Is it because you are paying attention now, that it seems to be occurring?!

Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base

Bush/Lincoln - Ummmm, no.
President in 2009 is only interested in keeping his power base?! What the hell does that even mean? The U.S in general wishes to maintain power, so most likely it can be said of any president.

Also: John Titor is a known hoax. Just curious why you would want someone to u2u the proof. Look it up yourself. Or are you only looking up things that portray him as a genuine time traveler.

Honestly your negative tone is unwelcome in this thread. I have looked up Titors supposed "hoax proof". It all ends up being disproved when compared to scientific and historical fact.

I would like to quote a member of another forum addressing someone like yourself..

AnonymousCoward845302:

Titor's debunkers spout and sputter, but they've never explained how Titor successfully nailed 2008 as the pivotal turning point year in the USA.

They've never been able to explain how Titor knew, in 2000, that the Middle East was about to become a "no-armer and a no-legger".

They haven't been able to explain how he knew our space shuttle was about to have a problem with its heat shields.

They still can't explain how he knew that "States Rights" were about to become a major political issue again.

They have no explanation for how Titor knew the army would accept openly gay soldiers.

Today, the subject of a coming new US Civil War has been widely considered, discussed, and even predicted by any number of people in the MSM, but back in 2000 when Titor first raised that suggestion, he was the only one in the room discussing it, and it sounded completely absurd and ridiculous. It doesn't sound nearly as ridiculous anymore.
No one has been able to explain how Titor anticipated the likelihood of a new US Civil war long before anyone else.

The debunkers spout and sputter, throwing names around of who they think Titor might have really been, but ask them to explain how he was able to make so many successful predictions, and they've got no answer.

I've seen debunkers out-and-out lie in their attempts to discredit Titor, saying that he made so many predictions that some of them were bound to come true, but that's complete hogwash. Titor actually made very few predictions, and so far all of them have come to pass except one : his prediction about the Olympics. That's the only one, and Titor himself gives us the explanation as to why he might throw in a false prediction into his message. Why would Titor intentionally sprinkle his correct predictions with false predictions? He TOLD us why :

"I have thought again about how to revel information that would make me more believable but I always come across the following problems: All of you become much less interesting as sheep. I can't talk to you if you're not skeptical. [...] My goal is not to be believed. [...] If you absolutely believed I was a time traveler, with no skepticism whatsoever, then we would be unable to communicate [...] The skeptics will always over rule the "believers". If that were not the case, I would not be posting at all. [...] it is very easy to remain hidden behind a veil of disbelief. [...] When the day comes for my "prediction" to be realized it will either happen or not. If it does happen, then your ability to judge your environment is crippled by your acceptance of me as a "knower of all things" and gifted with the ability to tell the future. If I am wrong, then everything I have said that might possibly have made you think about your world in a different way is suddenly discredited. I DO NOT WANT EITHER."

ALL of Titor's predictions came true with the exception of the "no official Olympics after 2004" prediction.

He predicted that the Civil War would begin in 2004.
2004 was, as it turned out, when the Republicans first used the electronic voting boxes to steal the US Presidency, which amounts to a hostile takeover of the government, an act which would qualify as the beginning of a Civil War in any historian's eyes.

He predicted "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over." This prediction proved all too correct when the world economy crashed in 2008 and we entered the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

He predicted we would have an "overheating problem with our space plane", and then the Challenger Explosion occurred because of, yes indeed, an overheating problem.

He predicted "degrading US foreign policy and consistency", and under Obama the US has been far less friendly to Israel and far more to Muslim nations, which certainly qualifies as an inconsistency.

He predicted the "the demise of "Homo Materia", a seeming reference to a worldwide economic collapse and the fall of capitalism/materialism.

He predicted a revival of States Rights as a major national issue, and this came to pass lately with the advent of the State Sovereignty movement.

While he stated that the US Civil War would technically begin in 2004/2005, he made many statements indicating that this conflict would not turn violent until 2011 ("I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years [2011] and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep" and "outright open fighting was common by 2011").

He predicted the US would see "a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse", and today the major story in the news is about all the thousands of families getting forcefully thrown out of their homes, which is exactly what the government was trying to do at Waco.

Although he maintained that the US Civil War officially started in 2004/2005, he added that the conflict would not really get going until much later : "The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012", which is a timeline very consistent with today's economic crisis and foreclosure rush.

He predicted that "The West will become very unstable," something that has in fact already occurred due to the worldwide economic crash, as we have seen in the news stories covering the riots and chaos in Greece, France, and elsewhere.

He predicted that China would become very aggressive and expansionistic, and it would "forcefully annex Taiwan, Japan and Korea" before 2015, and the news has carried stories lately suggesting that China is laying the groundwork for such expansion, with its recent huge military buildup, its naval fleet expansion, and its latest move to boost its naval presence in disputed waters.

Titor said that during the coming war, the greatest number of deaths would be via starvation, and the news has carried numerous stories about severe food shortages around the world over the last two years.

He said that homosexuals would openly serve in the US army, a prediction that came true just recently with the repeal of "don't ask don't tell".

I really dislike arguing with people like you. Your negativity and condensding tone is whats wrong with this forum. So what if you disbelieve in Titor, does that give you the right to make people feel bad for believing in him? Obviously in your eyes it does.

In closing, if you dont believe in Titor, thats great. I didnt ask for those of you who dont believe in him to post. I asked for those of you who do to voice your opinions on the quotes I made that are now seemingly enough becoming a reality.

I know there are a lot of sheep out there who believe the world around them is still the one that they were raised to believe it is. The American Dream is dead. Long live the Socialist Obama Dream of 2008. Unless you are ready to fight for your country against your own government, enjoy a long cold winter the Russians were use to enduring because standing in line for toilet paper is awesome!!!