10-30-2010 CHEMTRAILS

Hello all:
Have we come to a conclusion on chemtrails here on ATS? I have seen so many videos, photos, documentaries ect... The question is, what really is the conclusion? Is it weather modification, a shield for something unknown, deflection of solar xrays, possibly a precursor to Blue Beam? I just thought I'd post some pics from N.C.

These were from yesterday, late afternoon. Normally we see them all the time, but it's been awhile since they have been so strong. I love how the sky was really nice all day, beautiful blue skies. Then...... BAMMM!!! Lines in the sky, very fine lines of the trails as they're being laid out. After a few minutes pass, the clear blue sky goes too really partly cloudy. The thin lines quickly turn to very wide sections of cloud, almost taking up what seems like a quarter of the sky

I'm gonna try and put all the pictures on, just bear with me. I've put a single one on before, but not 7 separate ones. I hope they all come out...

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They look like normal jet discharge.

I don't see chemtrails.

These start out small, and spread out turning the whole area cloudy.... Contrails disappear after coming out of the plane. Look up chemtrails and get an understanding of them, you'll see where your knowledge is lacking. No offense though.

reply to post by mstkn28


This is the commonly repeated fallacy, on those "chemtrail" websites. It is untrue, and REAL research will reveal this to you:

.... Contrails disappear after coming out of the plane.

Contrails/cirrus clouds, very little difference. Contrails man-made (just because of the airplanes, it is unavoidable when conditions are ripe). Nature can make clouds too. Indistinguishable, expect for shapes. And same natural forces that make cirrus clouds change, and alter, also make contrails change, and alter.

Still photos aren't enough. Look at the behavior of a mixture, both natural cirrus clouds, and some contrails that are made, then change, in time-lapse. This is but ONE video example, there are plenty more. Note they NEVER "fall to the ground"!!:

Originally posted by mstkn28
Contrails disappear after coming out of the plane.

Um, no. You are incorrect. Many times contrails can form into clouds--even cloud systems that can later become rain clouds many miles away.

Many times, when the contrails form clouds, its because many contrails are in the area--which is documented in your pictures..

www.youtube.com...
Maybe this will be of some use, I am only starting part 2 myself, but so far is pretty informative I think.

reply to post by TKDRL


I see I must copy my post from another thread, in response to same post. This "documentary" has been discussed, in ATS threads, still ongoing. It is junk --- won't even call it "science" because it doesn't deserve even that minimal respect:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by TKDRL

Actually,
that is a very good video, thanks for posting.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I actually watched these trails come out of the plane, then drift in the sky. Before long you could see the sky was turning cloudy. I understand contrails from being in the airforce, flying on c130s. These are coming out in a strong line, a crisp line, then blurring in the sky. After they have drifted for awhile, the width and amount of space they take up is HUGE! Contrails on the other hand, you can actually watch disappear within a few seconds sometimes.

I don't know if your purposely trying to put all these in the same category, or your just not sure....But, there are things that are not right in our skies...My photos may not show the extreme incidences of chemical spraying, but there is tons of pics and videos that you can research. As for the video, your don't see where some of those clouds, and their lines actually started. Nature does produce some amazing things, but unfortunately, so do we.

MSTKN

reply to post by mstkn28

You shouldn't HAVE to post photos for anyone, jeez, can't they look up? Do we have to prove that rain exists by posting pictures?
I swear if they started spraying BLUE crap someone here would say it has been going on forever and it is natural.

reply to post by mstkn28


All that a picture or video of "chemtrails" really shows is that someone can use a camera and computer but doesn't understand some very basic science. It was stated earlier, and in every post about "chemtrails" you will find anywhere, that clouds persist and contrails, being water and pollutants, behave like clouds. Therefore they must be able to persist as well. The only people who say the don't are the "chemtrail" proponents. They are wrong. Everyone else knows clouds do not disappear within minutes.
So unless you are denying the behavior of clouds and can prove yourself right in doing so, your basis of understanding "chemtrails" is wrong. I don't understand why this comes up. What is difficult to understand about the concept?
And, to ward off the next basic misunderstanding, crossing lines and patterns are because plane fly in different directions.

reply to post by mstkn28


"come out of the plane, and drift in the sky"..Yes, those are contrails, that's what they will do.

Again, it is imperative to pay attention. IF a cirrus cloud is going to be in the sky, and is going to "persist", then it requires certain conditions to be just right, beforehand. Correct? DO you agree that, absent any human activity, Mother Nature will form clouds all by herself?

Clouds will form, quite naturally...and the types and forms they take vary by altitude, and the variable conditions that exist as well, AND the relative humidity differences.

NOW...when it is conducive for the cirrus formation, at any given altitude and location (area) in the atmosphere, AND an airplane flies through that same region, and altitude...its contrail will be formed in the same conditions where normal cirrus also form. SO? You see yet? Those contrails will tend to hang around, to persist, simply because of the conditions.

OK....I found this video from a bloke (apparently he lives in Australia, the state of Victoria ....capital is Melbourne). He is incredibly incorrect, when you read his text notes in the video. But, it seems that your sightings, they way you described what you think you were seeing, are similar to what he videoed.

Note his misspellings...he refers to some passing airliners as "Rouge 1", "Rouge 2", etc. (....seems he's going for the word "Rogue", there. )

He indicates "Rouge 2" and it "turns on" the "spray". In fact, it is just the case that the jet is entering more humid air, at altitude, and thus the contrail begins to show up. That's it! He later points out another airplane, in a similar routing geographically, over the ground, but at a DIFFERENT ALTITUDE, by my judgement, form viewing the video. NO contrail, and this is not surprising, since it IS a different altitude.

I made a note of something he writes at 1:51....somewhere around there he mentions it's a "warm day"...another "chemtrail" fallacy, since he means it's warm on the ground...this has no bearing at all on contrails seven miles above.

My bad notes see he also mentions "Rouge 4", but it's likely just more of his illinformed nonsense....ah, yes....he points out "Rouge 4", no contrail. It is quite obvious that airplne is ABOVE the previous contrail that's already there, so it's in an area and altitude not conducive to contrails, nor clouds, to form. At end, he sputters off about the jet in another direction...as if he doesn't understand the geopgraphy of his own country!!! :shk:
That jet, based on the quality of the image, as he zooms, seems to be at a lower altitude than the others.

reply to post by weedwhacker

So, are you stating that all strange lines in the sky are all natural??? You seem to have all of this area figured out.
www.youtube.com...
I don't speak French, but this one is REALLY natural, you know, the kind that forms from natural condensation in the air...

www.youtube.com...

MSTKN



www.youtube.com...
Watch what a German Meteorologist had to say. I realize that some things are a naturally occurring phenomenon, some aren't...

reply to post by mstkn28


I can knock out the first video very quickly.

That is an Evergreen International Boeing 747 that is modified to fight forest fires, by dumping its load at low altitude, just hundreds of feet off the ground, to accurately target the fires. This company had plans, at one time, to modify a number of their 747s in a similar way, but ran out of money and capitol to proceed. Their main business is as a cargo carrier....and, the airplane, once modified, cannot effectively make money flying cargo afterwards.

Notice how short the time time-span is, as it dumps its water load. About ten seconds, and it's all gone.

You can read through their website here: www.evergreenaviation.com...
Their site also includes another demonstration, same airplane, this time showing the reddish-colored slurry mixture that is also used in forest fire fighting efforts.

Ah, here is a hahdy link to the red slurry demo. Also, more info that I didn't know, they can alter the discharge rate. In any case, the airplane has only been in service (and only one of them) for a few years, at most....

www.evergreensupertanker.com...

reply to post by mstkn28


Second video, I hear the narration in German, not French. I picked up the words "sulphur dioxide", but really didn't try to get the rest, since it's crap. Exaggerating the amounts. Burning petroleum-based fossil fuels (and coal, too I believe) results in the formation of sulphur dioxide. So, maybe it'[s just mentioning that jet engines' exhaust causes pollution? We know that. SO does your car. (Unless it's electric, of course).

Starts with the airplane taking off...normal. Then, a Jumbo (747) in flight, making normal contrails. At this point, trying to claim it's "sulphur dioxide".

Then a bunch of CGI "contrails", for effect. Likely talking about "climate control" or some such baloney.

Crap, junk and typical of the "chemtrail" hysteria, since that seems to be the poster's intent, on YouTube. German speakers may say differently, though

reply to post by weedwhacker


Sorry about that double post of the tanker. That was something that I had already seen for myself, didn't need clarification for. Here is the correct vid for the German Meteorologist. Seems he really has something different here.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by mstkn28


The answer is in the text onscreen at 1:49. (The computer-generated voice is doubly annoying, from poor sound quality, combined with the nature of such programs). It was to disrupt radar. The next part of the text goes on about being "surprised" at its "large extent". But you see, that is the point of the military exercise. Usually, the local TV weatherman won't see it, as the missions and training are conducted in military or other airspace. Also, SINCE it did affect radar so prominently, it completely dispels the claims of "chemtrailers"!! They don't understand this bit of logic, however.

(Hint: Contrails don't show up on radar. "Chemtrailers" think that contrails are "chemtrails". But, nothing on radar. Like I said, can't use logic on "chemtrailers".)

This particular event has LONG been pointed to by "chemtrailers"....the exercise involved the release of chaff....which is designed to act as a sort of "cloak", as a counter-measure to radar. It can form a screen of interference on the radar, to mask the airplanes from enemy eyes. Chaff does NOT "make clouds", nor affect the weather to any great degree. (Except, perhaps, if released into existing clouds, I suppose, might...big "might"...induce precipitation, as provides nuclei for water to condense around, to make rain or snow. But, that's how traditional "cloud seeding" works, too).

Note that the YouTuber, there, is none other than "tankerenemy"...a crackpot from Italy who is a prolific poster on "chemtrails". He also has no idea about anything.

You need to read this website: contrailscience.com...

AND, that video (or version of it) is discussed on the page titled: Fake, Hoax, Chemtrail Videos on that site:

contrailscience.com...

Third video down the page, video has this description underneath:

That’s a real news story about chaff interfering with the weather radar. However the english subtitles have been faked to make it look like it’s a story on “chemtrails”. See full explanation here.

AT each and every turn of the "chemtrail" hoax, the duplicity and/or gullibility of the people who purport it to be "true" are exposed.