Are these objects on the N. Tower wall "Smoke Generators"?

Ah. I thought I sensed the presence of Phil Jayhan. This thread has all his usual ingredients: nonsense interpretations of visual evidence imparted as though they were mathematical proof, fantasy science, ludicrous - literally ludicrous - theories based on absolutely nothing, a keen desire to shove out something, anything, superficially new and novel. And of course a dollop of extreme bad taste.

No is your answer to that one. The fire being the main givaway there. Im tired of all the 9/11 conspiracy threads. Why does there need to be so many for the same subject? and so many silly ones!

Plenty of people jumped from the building so that figure is probably real, I can't see any reason they would throw a mannequin out the window.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Ah. I thought I sensed the presence of Phil Jayhan. This thread has all his usual ingredients: nonsense interpretations of visual evidence imparted as though they were mathematical proof, fantasy science, ludicrous - literally ludicrous - theories based on absolutely nothing, a keen desire to shove out something, anything, superficially new and novel. And of course a dollop of extreme bad taste.

But please understand that I do not represent PJ in any way. I am attempting to find out if there is any credence to the poster who was rebutting his ideas and am in search of legitimate evidence to buttress that notion. I feel that the opinions of others familiar with 9/11 research is as legitimate as any other form of hard evidence.

I am disappointed in the responses so far though. Too damned emotional and somewhat immature. But thanks for your reply.

Originally posted by Vitruvian

Originally posted by wmd_2008
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You mean the fire damaged cladding panel circled in red in the picture below!!! THATS all it is.

Seriously now! Do you honestly believe that the entire row of anomalous objects clinging to the wall are the result of the deformation of the aluminum cladding? I thnk you are being somewhat dishonest in your choosing ONLY ONE OBJECT on which to base your objections. Your presentation with your stupid red lines is false and misleading for the rest of the readers. LOOK AT THE REST OF THEM then get back to me with a mature response. Otherwise go back to 9/11 school and learn how to do your research.

Look to this outling for a more HONEST approach to the issue at hand. -->

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Well what I actually thought was I only need to put the circle round ONE OF THE DEFORMED cladding panels as anyone with some COMMON SENSE would KNOW THAT I MENT ALL THE AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE THAT.

I also had the decency to make sure the person jumping to there death was NOT in my picture.

What I would like to know how the *&^%$ that posted this OH SORRY that was you thinks his smoke generators got on the building and as for the simple fact that from the time the towers were hit they were in constant view SO if these things were not real do you think every video or picture ever posted of that area has been tampered with!

Like your zoomed in NO DETAIL picture you posted you should get in the UFO forum most of the pictures posted there look like that.

So why dont you go learn some things about STRUCTURES then come back.

Just to let you KNOW mate I was on the side of a multi-storey building today testing fixings on CLADDING PANELS
So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!

The planes had a huge amount of fuel which creates this smoke and heat.

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Also learn something about your keyboard press ctrl and + at the same time and be amazed at what happens to your view

Originally posted by wmd_2008
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Also learn something about your keyboard press ctrl and + at the same time and be amazed at what happens to your view

I was advising about software that retains the resolution of the image for a true close-up - cntrl + is worthless for true research ...........get with it OK

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Serious researchers only uh?

First "serious researchers" do not consider cgi to be part of their format or baseline for any serious research. I suggest you move past your X Box outlook into the events of 911 and actually get serious. Otherwise all of your "smoke generators" and other non sense does lend any seriousness to your research at all.

"THIS POST IS FOR SERIOUS RESEARCHERS ONLY!"

For some reason, I had to laugh when I read the above post.

"I am disappointed in the responses so far though. Too damned emotional and somewhat immature. But thanks for your reply."

I like the post above - it seems to predict the future because a few hours later we get the following post:

"So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!"

If you're looking for unbiassed, detached, objective, unemotional, logical investigative analysis, I think you may be at the wrong place. At least 90% of the responses you read on these 9/11 boards will be useless garbage compiled by a bunch of clowns.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"THIS POST IS FOR SERIOUS RESEARCHERS ONLY!"

For some reason, I had to laugh when I read the above post.

"I am disappointed in the responses so far though. Too damned emotional and somewhat immature. But thanks for your reply."

I like the post above - it seems to predict the future because a few hours later we get the following post:

"So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!"

If you're looking for unbiassed, detached, objective, unemotional, logical investigative analysis, I think you may be at the wrong place. At least 90% of the responses you read on these 9/11 boards will be useless garbage compiled by a bunch of clowns.

If you are going to quote ,quote what was said NOT what suits your agenda. I said this

"So why dont you go learn some things about STRUCTURES then come back.

Just to let you KNOW mate I was on the side of a multi-storey building today testing fixings on CLADDING PANELS
So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!

I work on site all the time testing ,thats why said what I said I am certain I know more about structures than him and most likely YOU as well.

As a serious response from someone who uses smoke machines as part of their business, thats definately not normal smoke machine smoke, it doesn't go blue against black background.

Although using commercial smoke machines for the job is easily feasible. Stadium foggers are slightly smaller than a vending machine and can pump out enough smoke for.. you guessed it.. a stadium. Some of the medium sized pro stuff like a martin magnum 3000 can pump out a crap tonne of fog (fill your car in around half a second burst lol) with pretty much 100% duty cycle at slightly lower than max output and be hidden inside a computer box and ducted easily.

So its not a silly question. Although as I said before, don't look at all like smoke machine fog to me.

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Ah, what objects? Maybe you could circle them?

To the OP, I don't think you're getting such a negative response from this thread based on the questions you are asking--as outlandish and baseless as they are, this is still a conspiracy site after all.

Here's why I think you're catching hell for this thread:

You chose a picture that shows multiple people jumping to their deaths when you could have used any other image of the impact site, some of which would do a better job at illustrating your supposed concern than the one you posted.

If the people jumping in the picture had any relevance to the content of your post (other than the "is that a dummy/CG?" nonsense), you may have gotten a more neutral response. But I don't think that this was your intent. I think your reason for creating this thread was to get a rise out of people, we call it "trolling" here on the internet.

Or, could you be asking these questions that you know are far-fetched (and doing it in such a tasteless manner) as a way to discredit those of us with legitimate concerns about the OS?

I hope I'm wrong on the latter. I'd much rather have a troll floating around on ATS than someone working to discredit the truth movement.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal "THIS POST IS FOR SERIOUS RESEARCHERS ONLY!"
For some reason, I had to laugh when I read the above post. "I am disappointed in the responses so far though. Too damned emotional and somewhat immature. But thanks for your reply." I like the post above - it seems to predict the future because a few hours later we get the following post: "So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!" If you're looking for unbiassed, detached, objective, unemotional, logical investigative analysis, I think you may be at the wrong place. At least 90% of the responses you read on these 9/11 boards will be useless garbage compiled by a bunch of clowns.

No truer words have been spoken. I am usually reserved in my criticism when confronted by outright stupidity, ignorance, and arrogance of the sort I see here on this BB......but in this case - aghhhh what a bunch of assinine jerked-off silliness I have experienced here on this SO_CALLED 9/11 site. Whatever got in to me to think I could have actually made a serious proposal on this dumb ass BB......Here we have the biggest bunch of "A" holes I have ever encountered on any internet site - period. Not in all of my experience as a legitimate 9/11 researcher - almost ten years BTW - have I been subjected to such nonsense as this - And I've seen it all.

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They are cladding panels damaged by the fire it doesn't matter what your warpped mind thinks HAVE you ever been on the side of a muti storey building say 20,30,40 floors up looking at these things NO.

You have NO understanading of PHOTOGRAPHY or CONSTRUCTION so you throw your dummy out the pram when people show you are wrong

Your pathetic zoomed in picture does NOT show anymore detail that made me

OH and by the way ctrl & + gives just as good a result as your picture

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I am usually reserved in my criticism when confronted by outright stupidity, ignorance, and arrogance of the sort I see here on this BB......but in this case - aghhhh what a bunch of assinine jerked-off silliness I have experienced here on this SO_CALLED 9/11 site. Whatever got in to me to think I could have actually made a serious proposal on this dumb ass BB......Here we have the biggest bunch of "A" holes I have ever encountered on any internet site - period. Not in all of my experience as a legitimate 9/11 researcher - almost ten years BTW - have I been subjected to such nonsense as this - And I've seen it all.

You come here and suggest smoke generators , even worse , fake jumpers , and you want to turn around now , and suggest that your intentions were for a "serious proposal" . This , shows "stupidity and ignorance" on your part .

As for "arrogance" , well , just re-read the above quote from your post . This immature style of writing will not get you very far . You can't hope to come here and label everyone "A" holes , simply because you don't agree with them .

As for this site and your opinion of it , I have been to those other sites , I've seen all the crap and sludge that they allow . So , I will have to disagree with you about that .

Personally , as I've stated already , I think this is about the most tasteless thread I have encountered in the 9/11 forum . Just when I thought I had seen all the ludicrous theories there are , you come up with fake jumpers .

Silly me .

Originally posted by Vitruvian

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal "THIS POST IS FOR SERIOUS RESEARCHERS ONLY!"
For some reason, I had to laugh when I read the above post. "I am disappointed in the responses so far though. Too damned emotional and somewhat immature. But thanks for your reply." I like the post above - it seems to predict the future because a few hours later we get the following post: "So I am certain I KNOW more about them than YOU so GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!" If you're looking for unbiassed, detached, objective, unemotional, logical investigative analysis, I think you may be at the wrong place. At least 90% of the responses you read on these 9/11 boards will be useless garbage compiled by a bunch of clowns.

No truer words have been spoken. I am usually reserved in my criticism when confronted by outright stupidity, ignorance, and arrogance of the sort I see here on this BB......but in this case - aghhhh what a bunch of assinine jerked-off silliness I have experienced here on this SO_CALLED 9/11 site. Whatever got in to me to think I could have actually made a serious proposal on this dumb ass BB......Here we have the biggest bunch of "A" holes I have ever encountered on any internet site - period. Not in all of my experience as a legitimate 9/11 researcher - almost ten years BTW - have I been subjected to such nonsense as this - And I've seen it all.

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Ah, so it is the rest of the world that is raving mad. You might want to think about that.