Jade Goody website 'troll' from Manchester jailed

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by Cherryontop
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

"please don't get me wrong here.
in no way am i sticking up for this troll.
unless he should have a right to be the rude person he is.


Originally posted by rubbertramp
This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

wouldn't this be considered more along the lines of hate speech here in the u.s.? "

Kind of like that?
Wow.

bothers me when this happens.

Originally posted by rubbertramp This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

makes it seem as though those are my words.
would never say such a thing.

Then I sincerely apologize, because in fact, I did think that was the case.
Who did write that? Just so I never make this mistake again?
Again, I am sorry.

reply to post by Cherryontop


no problem, it has something to do with the quote button and how things line up.

I think the troll's actions are despicable but to be quite honest, he has a right to say these things. The people who run these memorial sites can remove those comments and moderate it in order to keep things nice and prevent his garbage from getting on there. These sort of things come with the territory of living in a community (especially the online community).

I can't tell what's more disgusting, the man's trolling or the british courts deciding that it can throw you in jail for 6 months for essentially just being a mean person.

No, wait, the court's actions are definitely more disgusting. Freedom of speech must be protected at all costs (globally, lest it be accepted and then brought here to the US).

I think this sends out the message that people can't cower behind the anonymity of the internet, to post their perverted, twisted bile.

Internet communications should be treated the same as a real-life scenario; and I don't believe he would have got away with this, if he'd written his messages and placed them on an actual physical memorial to these people.

Having said that, he's clearly got some ''issues'', and probably would be better off being sent to get some psychiatric help or treatment.

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by Cherryontop
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

"please don't get me wrong here.
in no way am i sticking up for this troll.
unless he should have a right to be the rude person he is.


Originally posted by rubbertramp
This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

wouldn't this be considered more along the lines of hate speech here in the u.s.? "

Kind of like that?
Wow.

bothers me when this happens.

Originally posted by rubbertramp This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

makes it seem as though those are my words.
would never say such a thing.

LOL that is messed up, I would like to be accredited for my lack of PCiness

Originally posted by Cherryontop

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by Cherryontop
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

"please don't get me wrong here.
in no way am i sticking up for this troll.
unless he should have a right to be the rude person he is.


Originally posted by rubbertramp
This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

wouldn't this be considered more along the lines of hate speech here in the u.s.? "

Kind of like that?
Wow.

bothers me when this happens.

Originally posted by rubbertramp This is a deliberate overreaction to squelch a man's freedom of speech.... in no way do I stick up for this fag

makes it seem as though those are my words.
would never say such a thing.

Then I sincerely apologize, because in fact, I did think that was the case.
Who did write that? Just so I never make this mistake again?
Again, I am sorry.

-raises hand sheepishly- lol uhmn yeah you know I was just trying to like express my point by giving an example of protecting free speech and invoking the most "controversial" expression after anti-semitism... but i didnt realize there were so many fags on ATS... whoops... probably shouldve said f the jews.... but my grandmother was jewish so nah I will pass on that

Originally posted by Thepreye
reply to post by Soshh

 

From Manchester hmm isn't the low cat place Purple Aki lives in up that way, unless he's a particularly hard troll he'll be bullied every day is my educated guess, ho hum never mind, lol.

OMG, you mentioned purp! he chased me twice when I was a teenager!

reply to post by rubbertramp
not only is this guy defaming people but he's defaming dead people? what a pig!the internet shouldn't be used as a shield for people to get sick pleasure at someone elses expense.sick, sick, sick........

reply to post by ceetee


Was he trying to fondle your muscles?

He's a bizarre man.

This is exactly the same law that would be used to prosecute someone making hoax or threatening phone calls. In the UK, it is technically illegal to swear at people on the phone, as it is in the street.

People might moan about "freedom of speech" or nanny state interference, but people do not have the right to say whatever they want if it causes offence, alarm or distress. That is the Law and has been for quite a long time.

You yanks might not like it, but then you don't live here and this is the way we do things.

Originally posted by stumason
This is exactly the same law that would be used to prosecute someone making hoax or threatening phone calls. In the UK, it is technically illegal to swear at people on the phone, as it is in the street.

People might moan about "freedom of speech" or nanny state interference, but people do not have the right to say whatever they want if it causes offence, alarm or distress. That is the Law and has been for quite a long time.

You yanks might not like it, but then you don't live here and this is the way we do things.

So someone does not have the right to say something if it offends others? So if I say that your political beliefs offend me, you no longer have the right to share them in public? Your opinions on movies, art, philosophies of life, etc?

I'm sorry but I believe in true freedom of speech, and while I respect the right of other nations to rule and make their own laws, I must take issue with their rulings against what I believe to be basic human rights.

reply to post by FinalSonicX


Nope, you have it all wrong. You can disagree with people, say what you like, but you cannot use insulting or threatening language in a public space or medium.

For example, you can say "Go away, I do not like the Labour party and I think anyone who does is a socialist lefty waste of space that let hoards of immigrants into our country"

You cannot say "F**k off, I hate you lefty peices of s**t because you let all those nasty, horrible "n-word" bastards in".

See the difference? One is disagreeing with someone without being nasty and offensive. The other is downright mean, racist and uses vulgar language.

reply to post by stumason


the vulgar language isn't what bothers me.
then you get into what is too vulgar?
if i called you names because i disagree, it's not my way, but i don't think
one should be locked up for it.
if i said i disagreed, and wanted to hunt you down and eliminate your family, then sure, one may deserve being locked up.
i think we need to take the 'stupid humans' into consideration.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Whatever you think is vulgar, it is quite clear to any decent human being what is acceptable language and what isn't. Using racist or swear words is illegal. I am pretty sure you couldn't stand in the middle of Central Park, swearing, ranting and using racist language without attracting the attention of the Police either.

Personally, I think your picking holes for the sake of it. It is quite simple really. Using offensive language (and by offensive I mean swearing or using racist words - not just "offending people" as anyone can be offended at anything) is illegal. If done in public, it is a breach of the Public Order Act and if done over the phone or online it is in breach of the Telecommunications Act. Usually, however, Police discretion is advised and you will get several warnings to shut up, at least if done in public.

Whether you like it or not, that is the way things are done here and it is quite irrelevant what anyone else thinks. We have our laws, you have yours. We could stand here all day and compare, pissing on each others way of doing things but what would that serve?

This silly sod went out of his way to offend people who had lost loved ones, in some cases claiming he had had sex with their dead bodies and making threats against people. If you think he should be allowed to get away with it, then that's your problem, not ours. Personally, I am glad he was caught and punished as it sends a message. I personally would be totally distraught if some idiot made these sort of comments on a memorial page for a loved one of mine.

The day America, the land of the free, starts jailing people for facebook comments is the day we will see the Rise of the Trolls. No comment-section will be safe.

I see all the stars on the comments in this thread are going to people who agree that this person should be in jail, so maybe my skin is a little tougher than most. Or maybe I've played both sides of the field and have a more insightful perspective on this. I disagree that this matter should be legislated unless there were death threats. But I don't live in the country this happened in, so my opinion only applies to my country - and currently, we do not jail people for using facebook.

Thank goodness.

reply to post by againuntodust


For crying out loud, he wasn't jailed for using Facebook. He was jailed for sending "malicious communications" that were "grossly offensive".

Here is a link that explains the law. I have some personal experience of this as my fiancee was being harrassed by her ex, who sent abusive, threatening and, in some cases, downright scary messages constantly to her. He was charged and convited under the same Act.

I am sure in the States that if you sent someone harrassing communications, legal avenues are available too.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by againuntodust

 

I am sure in the States that if you sent someone harrassing communications, legal avenues are available too.

Or alternatively, if the law puts this guy first and says that he has the right to upset anyone he likes then he had better be prepared for the consequences of upsetting people who are already extremely traumatised. I doubt that a confrontation with the bereaved is something that he considered and perhaps 18 months in prison would be preferable.

Whatever you think is vulgar, it is quite clear to any decent human being what is acceptable language and what isn't.

i don't think it is nearly as cut and dry here.
ever hear a coach go off on an ump after a bad call?
seriously, we don't lock people up that quickly, unless your outside a free speech zone protesting.
here we have restraining orders.
say your neighbor is a drunk and continuosly harasses you.
cops tell him to shut up a couple times and recommend you get a restraining order.

reply to post by rubbertramp


And if you peruse the link I provided, we have the same. However, it depends on the nature of the offence as to what sanctions will be used.

It does pay to be educated on the topic at hand before passing opinion.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

And if you peruse the link I provided, we have the same. However, it depends on the nature of the offence as to what sanctions will be used.

It does pay to be educated on the topic at hand before passing opinion.

why didn't you mention it then as an in between?
in between the cops telling someone to shut up and jailing them?
my point being there is always more to a topic.
i'm reading what you've said, but granted, i haven't completely read every link provided.