War of the Sons of Light in Heaven

The War in heaven described in Chapter 12 of the Revelation of John is, first and foremost, a War at the level of consciousness; a War between the non-dualistic consciousness Created ‘by and in the image of God’ (Genesis 1:27) and the self-created, dualistic and ‘fallen’ consciousness (see, also, Sayings # 11 & 106 of the Gospel of Thomas and the teaching of Krishnamurti).

In other words, the ‘fallen’ consciousness was NOT Created by God, but has created itself through the ‘movement’ of self-reflection, symbolized by the serpent in Chapter 3 of Genesis, and described as the “great dragon, the primeval serpent known as the devil and Satan who had deceived all the world” in Chapter 12:9 of the Revelation of John.

This dualistic, ‘fallen’ consciousness consists of the “beast of the sea” (Revelations 13:1) consciousness of the “self” and the “beast of the earth” (Revelations 13:11 & Sura 27:82 of the Quran) consciousness of the ‘thinker’. And, if you read from Revelations 13:11 forward, you will read a description of both the scientific method and theology—both of which originate in the dualistic consciousness of the ‘thinker’.

In Chapter 3 of Genesis, the consciousness of the “self” is described as the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”—that is, the “self” being defined as the Good and the “not self” being defined as the Evil; whereas the “fig leaves” worn by Adam and Eve are symbolic of the consciousness of the ‘thinker’, which creates itself by the postulation of the thought of the ‘thinker’ itself (see, also, Saying # 37 of the Gospel of Thomas and Meditations On First Philosophy by Descartes).

Extrapolated to the space-time reality, the “dragon” is symbolic of the mainstream, religious and secular, print, broadcast, and Internet media (including the publishers of books, magazines and academic journals; as well as many Internet ‘discussion’ groups)—“who had deceived ALL the world”); the “beast of the sea” is symbolic of the political establishment, and the “beast of the earth” is symbolic of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious establishments.

This Knowledge is Revealed through the Vision of the “Son of man” (referred to in the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light as the Third Phase of the War)—symbolized in Genesis 3:24 as the “Tree of Life”—in direct opposition to the theologies of the ‘thinker’ originating in the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”-self and the “beast of the earth” consciousness of the ‘thinker’.

But the Vision of the “Son of man” is Revealed, by means of a time-reversal, through the Revelation of the Memory of Creation (Genesis 2:7)--which is, in and of itself a time-reversal, as is the Vision of the "Son of man"--which is referred to in the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light as the Second Phase of that War.

Not surprisingly,

Michael

Let me see sons of light,Yeshua Ben Yosef aka Jesus 2000 years ago,Buddha and Krishna 2600 years ago,Lao Tzu 2500 years ago and recently Ghandi and Mother Teresa but thats about it,now sons of Darkness Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot,Idi Amin,Pinochet,Kissinger,Mugabe,Kim Johng Ill,Charles Manson,Dahmer,Bundy,Lenin,Charles Taylor etc etc-Id say the good guys lost.

reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


naw, the good boys club is taking a commanding lead.....as predicted....sons of light live forever

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
Let me see sons of light,Yeshua Ben Yosef aka Jesus 2000 years ago,Buddha and Krishna 2600 years ago,Lao Tzu 2500 years ago and recently Ghandi and Mother Teresa but thats about it,now sons of Darkness Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot,Idi Amin,Pinochet,Kissinger,Mugabe,Kim Johng Ill,Charles Manson,Dahmer,Bundy,Lenin,Charles Taylor etc etc-Id say the good guys lost.

Have you ever heard the saying that "Football games are not played in halves."?

It's the truth.

It's the score at the END of the game that matters.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil
Michael Cecil,

I proclaim you a fox. You spiritualize away the true meaning of the Word altogether. I got a verse for you, it's KJV. and it written on the fifth grade level.

Eze 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

One of the latest spiritualizing away the truth is "Theistic Evolution". It makes creations wk. an undetermined length of time. Morning and evening occurring seven times makes us a seven day solar wk. That's even first grade understanding.

However I and Yahweh leave you to be a free man, He nor I coerce no one. He leaves us all free to decide our own fate.

Truthiron.

Originally posted by truthiron
reply to post by Michael Cecil

I proclaim you a fox.

Oh, OK.

Just a few questions:

What do you mean by the word "I"?

Are you referring to the consciousness of the "self" or the consciousness of the 'thinker'?

If you are referring to the consciousness of the 'thinker', then you should be able to provide a fairly detailed explanation of your reasons for such an assertion.

If you are referring to the consciousness of the "self", the only real 'explanation' that you will be able to provide is that, for some reason you can't really explain, I am either 'mentally ill' or the personification of evil.

But, in either case, you would be commenting from the frame of reference of the dualistic or 'fallen' consciousness.

So it is of no importance to me.

Michael

reply to post by truthiron


It is absolutely pointless, my friend, to debate someone who is thoroughly convinced that the Bible is worthless.
He keeps posting threads attacking Jesus, the Bible, the Torah, et al., then attacking the people who do not agree with his posts. (i.e. Christians and Jews, mostly, sometimes atheists for good measure)
Why someone who does not believe in a thing would post threads attacking it is beyond me.
It's like a person posting threads attacking the Boogeyman. Why attack over and over that which one does not believe at all in?
Does that not give it a glimmer of legitimacy?
Why not instead post threads supporting his own beliefs, in a positive light?
That would attract far more positive and better propoganda and perhaps win more believers.

Just a suggestion.
God Bless~

reply to post by thegoodearth

What I have written is an explanation of the Revelations received by both Moses and John, the follower of Jesus; Revelations which echo the Revelations in the Book of Daniel and the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light (have you ever even read it?).

If you cannot understand that that is what I am doing, I cannot help you.

Not suprisingly,

Michael

reply to post by thegoodearth

The bible as I see it has alot of knowlege, it is not to be taken as religion, it's a good book and a good source of information. I do beilive there is a supernatural force what we call god. There are so many books left out of the bible like the book of enoch, intended on pupose to be left aside and the dead sea scrools and so many books.
It's black and white, old testament the dark and new testament the light and in the middle of all god or better put the divne force of the universe, bluish feeding what is created, water feeds plants and light makes them grow.
We are provided.

Why do people keep on fighting I have no idea, unless these are bad people, now they come up with it's just a dream, it's an illusion, or that you are connected to some chair dreaming. Doing everything they can to screw with peoples minds, keep the war going, We are all alive and when we die I guess our energy go's like a fish swiming until we chose to do something else, expiriance. Just my opinion.
There is only one god, the rest are just aliens.
It is stated in the book that before the aliens came we were already here, aliens just bio engeniered us, made us more tecnological.

As I see it there is logic tec logic and eco logic, The artificial VS the Natural. Original VS NATURAL.
Original as in the gods from orion that came and changed us and natural as in the divine force of the universe the real god. We don't have to chose sides, we just have to remember that god is somewhere in the middle. Blue and YELLOW, red is an extreme. Comunism assimilation, colective, rule by force, the very people that rule us today. The roman empire that forgot about nature.

It'll basically boil down to Capitalism vs. Socialism. New vs. Old.
The truth is there needs to be a balance in order to move forward.

reply to post by thegoodearth
thegoodearth,

You are right, but my replies are mainly for the benefit of others. There is many true ones but we love them all. One never really knows if there is a turning point in anyone but Yah and what might ignite the turn if it is possible.. I thank you for the thoughts. We are all fellow travellers in time and personally I find it has grown short.

Truthiron.

reply to post by Michael Cecil


Thank you. Why don't more people see bible and religious texts for what they are..metaphor and allegory? It is so hard to distill the essence from all of the wort. Perhaps it was designed that way, to hide the truth in plain sight? Perhaps we are being tested, to see if we are worthy seeker's. If you will invest all the powers of your discernment by reflection to solve the riddle and just when the burning desire builds, Holy Grace grants understanding, enlightenment and self realization. Some people just don't want to reflect, to meditate upon the really important questions. They'd rather have some priest, rabbi, imam or preacher tell them what it all means and that is a huge mistake. The Spirit of Christ is within each of us. We have to do all of the searching from the inside, from there and there alone will we finally be granted Holy Grace, by the will of our Beloved Creator. In the end we are all one. One with the Creator and every particle in all Creation(s). And even with this realization, I yearn to become one again with my Creator. For now I know I am ONE but I am still separate.

reply to post by Michael Cecil


For a start, your thread title "War of the Sons of Light" is something that could never happen.

The "sons of light", as you call them, would not fight each other - they would fight darkness.

So everything else you said, leading from that point, is untrue.

reply to post by truthiron


"Fox in the desert"? Know ye not that foxes are wise? In the barren waistland they find the tasty bits where others perish. This child of God has set forth his/her testimony. The word of God lives. It is not a dead thing just as the Lord is not dead, he is alive. He is life. Open your eyes, and ears. Guard the naieve and ignorant words. For ye know not. For Ye shall find but only upon the Grace of the Lord God most high. The ONE, the beloved.

reply to post by xiphias


Capitalism v. Socialism? I don't like the analogy. Sorry it doesn't work for me. Balance! Yes balance is the key isn't it? And now it's out of synch, regarding the collective conscious. But all good things in time. The correction is coming and hence the Sons Of Light. Angels, Archangels, legions of them. The Original Ones command the armies of light.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

For a start, your thread title "War of the Sons of Light" is something that could never happen.The "sons of light", as you call them, would not fight each other - they would fight darkness.

(Sigh)

The reference is to1QM, the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light, the opening passages of which are: "For the Master [i.e., the messiah]. The Rule of War on the unleashing of the attack of the Sons of Light against the company of the Sons of Darkness".

That is too long of a title for a thread.

The War of the Sons of Light is against the Sons of Darkness.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by truthiron
reply to post by Michael Cecil

I proclaim you a fox.

Oh, OK.

Just a few questions:

What do you mean by the word "I"?

Are you referring to the consciousness of the "self" or the consciousness of the 'thinker'?

If you are referring to the consciousness of the 'thinker', then you should be able to provide a fairly detailed explanation of your reasons for such an assertion.

If you are referring to the consciousness of the "self", the only real 'explanation' that you will be able to provide is that, for some reason you can't really explain, I am either 'mentally ill' or the personification of evil.

But, in either case, you would be commenting from the frame of reference of the dualistic or 'fallen' consciousness.

So it is of no importance to me.

Michael

Well isn't that convenient..?

That's a pretty well devised shield you've got there.

Quick question for u then, gradeschool level you could say..

What, precisely, is the doubled edged sword which comes from the mouth of Christ?

Interesting Aside:
My mother worked as the head of nursing on the notorious 10th floor of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in downtown Toronto, for many years, on the NIGHT SHIFT you get the picture..

She'd laughingly point out that perhaps the only thing that differentiated the doctors and the nurses, from the patients was that the nurses held the KEYS!

Anyway, they'd get all kinds coming in there, as you could imagine, and she said that

Whenever they had TWO Jesus' in the mental ward, at the same time, that they would place them in a room, together, and just observe..

So you see, I do not need a shield with which to defend myself. Your sword? Let's see it, answer the question. Touche!

reply to post by Michael Cecil


OK, (huge sigh)

Your title was not clear.

We are on the same side though.

Sorry, I didn't have time to read the thread.

Originally posted by HUMBLEONE

Why don't more people see bible and religious texts for what they are..metaphor and allegory?

Because they have been taught, out of fear, to rely on the religious 'authorities'; who have been taught to extort money out of the fearful in order to make them even more fearful, to tell even more lies, to make even more money.

It is so hard to distill the essence from all of the wort. Perhaps it was designed that way, to hide the truth in plain sight? Perhaps we are being tested, to see if we are worthy seeker's. If you will invest all the powers of your discernment by reflection to solve the riddle and just when the burning desire builds, Holy Grace grants understanding, enlightenment and self realization. Some people just don't want to reflect, to meditate upon the really important questions. They'd rather have some priest, rabbi, imam or preacher tell them what it all means and that is a huge mistake.

They do not want to accept the responsibility either for what they believe or what they do or have done.

And they will pay others millions and billions and trillions of dollars to releive them of the responsibility to be adults rather than unquestioning children.

The Spirit of Christ is within each of us. We have to do all of the searching from the inside, from there and there alone will we finally be granted Holy Grace, by the will of our Beloved Creator. In the end we are all one. One with the Creator and every particle in all Creation(s). And even with this realization, I yearn to become one again with my Creator. For now I know I am ONE but I am still separate.

There is no "one with the Creator" in the Revelations of the monotheistic religions. There is a consciousness which is Created by God--that is, a consciousness of oneness--but that is as far as it goes. The consciousness of twoness--that is, the duality of the Eastern esoteric traditions--is the 'fallen' consciousness.

Michael

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

What, precisely, is the doubled edged sword which comes from the mouth of Christ?

Good question.

But, in order to answer that question, you have to know the symbolism of the caduceus of Greek mythology, which is the same as the "Tree of Life", which is also symbolized by Jesus being crucified "at the place of the skull between two thieves", which is the same as the "Night Journey" of Mohammed.

The consciousness of the "self" is one thief; and the consciousness of the 'thinker' is the other thief.

Each of these dimensions of consciousness claim that it has Knowledge of the Truth; when, in fact, the Truth is accessible only through a third dimension of consciousness: the consciousness Created 'by and in the image of God'.

The "two-edged sword" out of the mouth of the Son of man, then, consists of one edge directed at the consciousness of the "self" and the other edge directed at the consciousness of the 'thinker'; or, respectively, the "beast of the sea" and the "beast of the earth"; or , respectively, "the beast" and the "false prophet".

And, if you find the story told by your mother humorous, I certainly hope that you do NOT believe me.

Michael