'Prophecies' of a (Necessarily) Silent Messiah

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by HarryJoy

Well that's your choice. I don't believe in Jesus because he never fulfilled what The Messiah is supposed to do in order to be the messiah.

The issue here is and always has been idolatry vs. Truth.

Both the Jewish and the Christian religious 'authorities' have created a messiah in the image of themselves.

To the Jews, the messiah is nothing more than rabbi WRIT LARGE.

To the Christians, the messiah is nothing more than a Christian theologian WRIT LARGE.

And anyone who does not agree with those images that they have created are, in one way or another, evil.

But there is another issue here having to do with blood sacrifices to these idols...

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil

I agree wholeheartedly the Bishops and preachers of this world promise miracles and the kingdom of heaven yet when anyone rises among their ranks with any semblance of real spiritual power like archbishop Milingo had they are pulled out of the front lines and put under lock and key(Milingo was eventually corrupted by one of Reverend Moons whores)you can't have anyone with any real power or authority in contact with the public,they are a threat.If the messiah were to come he better be pretty good with the striking dead and fire and brimstone stuff because he will be hunted mercilessly and exterminated by his own religions leaders.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
Does anyone else find it strange that all of the Jewish Prophecies of the arrival of the messiah, and all of the Christian Prophecies of the return of Jesus ‘on a white horse out of the sky’, are Prophecies of a messiah who is, for all practical purposes, absolutely silent;..

Maybe I am not understanding the OP correctly, but what I read in the Bible regarding the return of the Messiah, is the opposite of "silent."

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:..(1 Thes 4:16)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)

i guess you are right. the messiah's return has been scripted thousands of years ago.

it seems pointless to believe in these religions.

Originally posted by saabacura
i guess you are right. the messiah's return has been scripted thousands of years ago.

it seems pointless to believe in these religions.

Pointless?

Not merely pointless, but lethally, suicidally, DANGEROUS.

These theologies--originating in the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'--are precisely what is pushing this civilization into the horrors of the "time of trouble" Prophesied by Daniel.

Not surprisingly,

Michael

Originally posted by SkyLiner

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:..(1 Thes 4:16)

Paul had no Knowledge of this.

It was nothing more than hearsay...which confirmed his heresy. (The phonetic tones are determinant.)

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)

Peter, on the other hand, knew what he was talking about.

And, for the past almost 2000 years, the Christian religious 'authorities' have been "robbing Peter to pay Paul"; Christianity being a creation of Paul rather than either Jesus or Peter...

Peter being crucified UPSIDE DOWN being a PROPHECY that the church that he founded would turn the Teaching of Jesus upside down.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil


Impressive use of logic Michael.

Good points.

reply to post by Michael Cecil


When Jesus came to be known as the "messiah" the Jews ridiculed him and denied his claim. They believed he went against all scripture, scripted events as you point out, and could not be the Christ. They even went as far to call him blasphemer, Anti Christ and Devil. When the asked him if he was trying to destroy the laws of Moses Jesus replied " I am not here to destroy but to fulfill"; when they said his miracles come from the authority of the devil Jesus replied " a house divided cannot stand"; when they seized him and he had a chance to escap with his disciples Jesus said " let it be so".... basically following a script laid out for him to perform.

What i am pointing out is even when following the script, a known script, they could not see it manifesting in Jesus. Jesus followed the script perfectly and yet he is still denied his role in the scripture by certain peoples. Jesus did say one thing about this confusion that he anticipated would arise.... " when you hear the truth you will know". You have to faith in yourself to have faith in the right things.

reply to post by Michael Cecil


I believe the 'white horse' or MUL.ANSHE.KUR.RA , you are referring to is'here'.....or rather from there. Perhaps the messiah, whichever 'name' one wants to ascribe, has come via this constellation and just in time?

Originally posted by Perseus Apex
reply to post by Michael Cecil
Impressive use of logic Michael.

Logic really had nothing to do with it.

Logic is human thought.

The points that I make here are based upon Revelation rather than human thought.

It is "a horse of a different color"; that is, white instead of black (see my webpage).

Michael

Originally posted by Perseus Apex
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

I believe the 'white horse' or MUL.ANSHE.KUR.RA , you are referring to is'here'.....or rather from there. Perhaps the messiah, whichever 'name' one wants to ascribe, has come via this constellation and just in time?

Pegasus is, in fact, a symbol for the Vision of the "Son of man", something which is also echoed in the Muslim tradition about the "Night Journey" of Mohammed being a journey "to Jerusalem" on "al-Buraq".

In other words, Mohammed also received the Vision of the "Son of man".

In the song by "America", this is referred to as the "horse with no name":

www.youtube.com...


Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil


I don't place too much faith in the 'words' of man found in a book.
If words make up 'truth' to another, perhaps it is Of truth.
If not, perhaps it is not.....for truth, as seldom heard, should 'ring' clear as a bell unto one's conscience.
The truthiness of it all seems to be making a comeback lately as Light unto the shadows of ignorance.
Folks have 'reason' for a reason.

One can see a truth but the truth itself cannot be written.
Some truths are multidimensional in concept (as layers of an onion unto it's core) alone and therefor could 'not' be written to any 'understanding' with a written language.
It is.
Off topic.

Originally posted by Perseus Apex
reply to post by Michael Cecil

I don't place to much faith in the 'words' of man found in a book.

How unfortunate for the Jews of Europe, then, that the Germans placed more faith in the BOOKS of the Christian theologians and a BOOK called Mein Kampf.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil


I don't divide folks into groups though they often do it for me.
All have been deceived and have followed the paths of 'another'.
All pay that price.
Last word.

Later.....

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
This was the argument of, especially, the Pharisees: "You are not the messiah until WE say that you are the messiah."

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Which, in effect, constitutes a specific INVITATION to the religious 'authorities' to do everything they can POSSIBLY do to PREVENT the messiah from being made known...

In order to retain their wealth and their power.

Which they would LOSE if he were to succeed.

That was one of the best examples of Catch 22 in "Religion" that I have seen recently, and situation is even worse than you picture it.
en.wikipedia.org...

A True Messiah could even cite all the scriptures by heart, but he would still not be recognized as one. No "religious leader" would ever recognize any Messiah, real or false, because that would instantly and definitively take all the power out of their hands. Religion had been a power game long before Christianity came into view, but the history of Christianity is most interesting. Especially the moment, and reasons behind it, of its official acceptance as a State Religion by the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire.

That story of finding the relics of the true cross on which Christ had been crucified is my favorite example of intentional creation of political myths. Very successful political power play and manipulation of the masses, that payed off enormously at the time.
en.wikipedia.org...

Anyway, the point of Catch 22 is that one is fully allowed to be True Messiah, but only as long as one doesn't ask to be officially recognized as being The One. The moment True Messiah would ask to be officially recognized, would be the moment he would be proclaimed to be mentally ill. I'm not stating that there will or will not be anything like True Messiah, I'm simply presenting the path of logical thought.

In simplest terms...

No True Messiah can ever ask to be officially recognized as True Messiah, because if he does -- he is not True Messiah at all!

Compare that to Catch 22...

No insane person could ask to be relieved of flying into certain death, because if they did ask, they would not be insane at all, and could not possibly be relieved of flying into certain death in the first place.

lol! )) Don't you just love the logical traps those in power create to hold onto their power?

The whole point of Second Coming is to not come at all... ever! )) What a brilliant piece of an incredibly sophisticated con job! Just brilliant!

That's not the fault of these con artists, though. They do what their nature tells them to do, and that is to grab and hold onto power for as long as they can. It's the fault of the people who allow them to grab and hold onto that power.

reply to post by Michael Cecil


Vision is the word.
The word is not the vision.

Any invention, creation, or natural law require vision.
These things cannot be written.

The return of the messiah is mentioned in Hinduism as 'Kalki avatar' which is yet to take place. It is mentioned that it will happen as an entity/man or a messiah in a horse as well which is similar to the OP. It will happen in a time period where everything in this world is corrupt, materialistic and so on. Hinduism is one of the oldest known religions.

Ever wondered why people all over the world speak of the same thing even though they were miles apart with no communication? They somehow saw, experienced and were told the same thing. So there could be some truth to it.

Originally posted by anybodysguess
That was one of the best examples of Catch 22 in "Religion" that I have seen recently, and situation is even worse than you picture it.

Look.

The situation CAN'T be 'worse than I picture it'.

The 'picture' that I have of it are the Visions/Prophecies I have received, more than 35 years ago, of the coming "time of trouble"--the explanation of which would be an "Extreme Violation of T & C".

Anyway, the point of Catch 22 is that one is fully allowed to be True Messiah, but only as long as one doesn't ask to be officially recognized as being The One. The moment True Messiah would ask to be officially recognized, would be the moment he would be proclaimed to be mentally ill.

NONONONONONONONONONONONO.

All you have to do is say that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'...

All you have to do is say that there is something called the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the memories of previous lives...

All you have to do is say that the term "Tree of Life" is equivalent to the term "Vision of the Son of man" is equivalent to the "Night Journey" of Mohammed is equivalent to the "Thunderbird" or the "horse with no name" of the American Indian tradition is equivalent to the caduceus and Pegasus of Greek mythology....

To be proclaimed 'mentally ill'.

I don't have the time to find the reply on ATS which demonstrates this fact.

That's not the fault of these con artists, though. They do what their nature tells them to do, and that is to grab and hold onto power for as long as they can. It's the fault of the people who allow them to grab and hold onto that power

Yes, it is the fault of the con artists.

And those who PAY them to be con artists.

Michael

Originally posted by radkrish
The return of the messiah is mentioned in Hinduism as 'Kalki avatar' which is yet to take place. It is mentioned that it will happen as an entity/man or a messiah in a horse as well which is similar to the OP.

As far as I know, almost every people/culture on the face of the planet has a story or symbol referring to the same Vision; as I have explained in numerous notes on ATS. (There is also the American Indian story called "Arrow to the Sun" which demonstrates the same process that is referred to in Jungian psychology as "individuation".)

And the Sons of Darkness--in the "dragon"-media and the "beast of the earth"-religious establishments--are, of course, determined that this Knowledge NEVER be made known to the people of this planet.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil


If fundamental Christianity were the only true version of Christianity, you might have a case, but that is where your argument falls apart.

What if he were to contradict even one of the ‘universally-recognized-as-the-Absolute-and-undeniable-Truth’ interpretations of the Revelation of John vomited out by tens of thousands of televangelists, Ph.D. theologians, or ‘do-it-yourself’ theologians?

That would be a wonderful day, when the messiah contradicts these things. The things you mentioned in the above quote are a result of two thousand years of corruption of Jesus's word.

So, in reality, this messiah can never say anything other than what has already been said by either the Jewish or the Christian theologians…

Actually, he should be saying exactly what they aren't. What the theologians say is far from the absolute truth, and just about every intelligent Christian knows that. If a messiah IS coming, I'd certainly hope he would set us straight.

even a messiah who arrives on a white horse out of the sky—is, in fact, nothing but a false messiah; riding a white horse out of the sky being merely another “lying wonder” to convince “even the elect”.

This is the one point that I will agree with you on. People will probably mostly think he is a false prophet if he preaches anything other than exactly what they believe. I'm afraid there's no avoiding that though. It's just a natural consequence of dogma.