Why isn't the MSM reporting on the link between the sunspot and the crazy weather events?

reply to post by Phage


Like you said, sometimes there is a definite relationship, and sometimes there is not. That means that solar activity may be a very important variable in earthquake activity, but not the only one.

It's possible that solar activity increases the likelihood of a fault line becoming active....like adding another straw to the camel's back.

Discounting solar activity as a possible variable in earthquakes, is like saying "Well, sometimes ice cream melts outside, and sometimes it doesn't, so that means that we can't say for sure that ice cream melts at all." That statement doesn't factor in one important variable....temperature.

So when you say that you refuse to believe that solar activity has any effect at all on earthquakes, that is refusing to take into consideration that solar activity may be a very important variable.

reply to post by Jessicacd36

Why?
If solar activity influences earthquake activity a correlation should be seen.
But I did post a more detailed view above.

reply to post by nikiano

No.

I did not say there is a definite relationship. I said that there are some occurrences which seem to have a relationship. That is called a coincidence. Sometimes the phone rings just when I get into the shower. Does that mean that my hygiene might have something to do with telemarketing?

Originally posted by nikiano

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by nikiano

 

Empirical evidence:
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The debate was never about the NUMBERS of earthquakes, Phage. It was whether strong CME's or solar flares or sunspots triggered earthquakes within a few days afterwards. That graph shows nothing in relation to our current debate.

I'd like to see a graph of the dates of solar flares and the dates of earthquakes in the last few years. Chart the exact dates that sunspots created C or M or x class flares, alongside the exact dates of earthquakes, and I think you'll see a correlation.

The above graph only shows NUMBERS of earthquakes, which we are not debating. I'm talking about the TIMING of earthquakes in relation to solar activity.

If you're going to debate, at least debate the same facts.

edit on 26-10-2010 by nikiano because: (no reason given)

Although you say the graph has nothing to do with this debate, I believe it does at some level. If the number of flares increases then you would think that the number of earthquakes would also increase if there is actually a correlation. In fact the highest number of earthquakes seem to be right at the lowest level of flares in the mid 90's. If you follow the graph to today, you should be able to see further correlation if it exists. The claim was that more and more earthquakes are following flare activity when flare activity is a fairly predictable cycle. Perhaps the correlation that people seem to be seeing now is because of exactly what you said. It wasnt until recently that solar activity was accessible to everyone, so the fact that more empirical evidence is available, the more correlation is thought to be seen when in fact it does not exist.

i think it would be to stop the panic.
because alot of people(im prettysure) beleive the whole 2012 thing and solar maximum.

sooo it might be to not freak everyone out

but thats just what i think

Just so you all know, I can see the aurora through the clouds tonight... They are f-ing crazy!

I never saw this before!

reply to post by youdidntseeme


Yes, you're right. Actually, a lot of scientists have noticed a correlation between the solar minimum and the number of earthquakes....they seem to find that the numbers of earthquakes increase when the sun is at the solar minimum. Strange. But also, it seems that large solar flares also seems to trigger quakes....as we've seen in the last few years. Why is that? I'm not sure.

Perhaps, (I"m just guessing here) because the quakes don't happen as often during solar maxiumum as they do in solar minimum, a strong solar flare releases the pressure on the fault lines? I don't know. But there seems to be a definite pattern.

(So, to clarify, my debate with Phage was whether specific large solar flares can trigger an earthquake, not whether the numbers of earthquakes go up or down.)

oops, double post

reply to post by Magnum007



And that is the only thing that matters, we are all blind living in the city, we must leave the comforts of our cozy computer screen and personally experience change, ask people in rural communities if they have noticed anything odd in the weather, we don't notice patterns in clouds, or even feel the humidity in the air, we need to be told what to feel, but out there, you can see its changing, and fast.

Its a correlation of factors arranged chaotically in orders beyond measure or comprehension, we are mere specs of dust in a universally whole, the cycles out there that reiterate at our fractal levels of operational "reality" are only glimpses of a machinery so intricate and complex that maybe when humanity has transcended all doubt and mortal fear will we be able to really "understand" if the activity of the sun has any relation to earthly tremors...

We are what we are because of the sun, everything on earth exist because of the sun.
If the sun has the hiccups we get the flu! its all in the details!

reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet

I don't live in a city and I pay very close attention to the weather. I'm a hang glider pilot. My enjoyment of my avocation and my safety while engaging in it depend on close observation. The movement of the wind, the patterns in the clouds, and even the humidity are of utmost import. In 37 years I have not observed anything but the normal changes that weather goes through. Storms happen, sometimes severe. Beautiful days happen.

Originally posted by Magnum007
I live north of 60 and I can tell you that last night's northern lights were AMAZING! They lasted almost 30 minutes and were moving like I've never seen them move in my 5 + years up here...

There is definitely something going on!

Magnum

Those only rated a three on the scale. Talk to people who have been there longer. Ask about 2000 and 2001 when it was really active.

In Fairbanks in the winter, if the sky is clear, they see displays like you saw yesterday so often they stop looking at them. Nothing abnormal. Here in Anchorage in 2000 and 2001 I saw displays that covered the whole sky. In fact one we had in 2000 I nearly froze as I stood outside and watched them from horizon to horizon for an hour and half at ten below zero. They went on all night long.

They are fascinating when you first move this far north but after while they are like the weather. They are so common in Fairbanks in the winter that a Tourist Industry is based around it. If you stay for ten days, you WILL see a good display. However the last couple of years have been far below normal. That part is weird, these moderate displays are not.

Originally posted by Magnum007
Just so you all know, I can see the aurora through the clouds tonight... They are f-ing crazy!

I never saw this before!

I reacted the same way the whole first two years I lived up here in Alaska. We would drive out to the Wasilla area in the middle of the night just to get out of the city light pollution.

They are only a two tonight. They will be at quiet tomorrow. The Aurora forecasts are fairly accurate.

Link to Aurora Forecasts if you have not found it already.

reply to post by nikiano


Interesting idea. Has anyone done a study between other known solar activity and such events here on Earth? If the sun is causing/contributing, there should be patterns.

reply to post by Phage


You're a very convincing person.

I see what you're saying.

There is obviously a reason, or several reasons why. They always lie to us on MSM. That is the important part to understand. Well, it is also good to know exactly why they are doing it.

I just think it is more important to realize that nearly all the crap on TV is bull#.

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by pirhanna

 

While I do agree with you completly, I have to say that it is not much of a leap for me to personally see a relationship between electromagnetic/matter/plasma discharges from the Sun and events on Earth.

Look beyond matter for a moment and view our solar system as an electromagnetic machine with Sol as the engine.

How can the release of these types of energy levels not have an effect?

The sunspot/earthquake relationship has been settled by phage. Try not to look for any meaning in the universe. It is the scientific method.

reply to post by starless and bible black

Science looks for how, not why.
Meaning is the realm of religion. And with religion, logic and evidence are irrelevant.

Sometimes I think it is better the less politicians and the mass media know. If mass media convinced the people and politicians that the sun could cause global warming, then they might think they need to charge us new taxes to prevent the planet from warming up and to protect us from the sun. Right now many people seem to think a gas in the air causes global warming if you listen to them talk. If they thought massive solar flares could take out the power grid for months, then they might think about giving us a special tax to collect money to boost the power grid. Of course all the tax money would be spent before any of it ever got spent on actually boosting the power grid to protect it from going down. Unless the taxes lasted for over 150 years before something happened. Then the governments who enacted these taxes could be real happy. It would be like the phone taxes we all pay here in the US that got added to phone bills after some war I believe in the 1800's or early 1900's.

reply to post by Phage


Science is clearly wrong far too often , and there are so many brands of science it is ridiculous...

Science IS a religion, for it is controlled by governing bodies, and perceptions are controlled.

There is no way to make proper discoveries in quick amounts of time anymore, it seems to have stagnated into a debunking system.

reply to post by GrinchNoMore

Yes.

Science is often wrong. That's how it works. When it is found to be wrong it changes. Can the same be said for religion?

Science is not controlled by governments. Governments may try to control what science discovers but not successfully and not for long.

I don't know what you mean by "proper discoveries" or "quick amounts of time", but science is moving forward. Learning more and yes, changing all the time. That's how it works.