Militia vs. National Gaurd

I was wondering if (by some miracle) all the militia forces in the United States formed together and decided they wanted to start a revolution whether the National Gaurd would have the power to stop them? This is a hypothetical question I am not predicting this to happen in the future. What are your thoughts?

Well, considering that some national guard units have armored vehicles and aircraft.....

reply to post by Camtheconspiracyman


According to our Constitution, the US forces cannot be used against its own people for any reason. So if this scenario were to happen, I would first embrace the idea, and assist in total chaos, and watch as all security forces get mowed down by the millions of gun owners! God Bless America! ( and the 2nd Amendment )

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oh I'm sure there is some militia group with aircraft for warfare and possible bazooka's for the armored vehicles. And as for 2rotten4u where does it say that in the constitution specifically ?

I'd like to believe that te militias could take on the National Guard, but the National Guard is organized, well supplied, and have technology that civilians can't legally own. I think it would come down to what that Guardsman's beliefs are in the end on if they will still take orders or join the militia's for whatever cause.

In some instances I have come across, they are one and the same. If domestic action is taken against civilians, there will be massive desertions and missing inventory.

reply to post by America?


Okay let's say ( and im only proposing this hypothetical to America? ) 1/4 of the national gaurd joins the militias . Then what, they would have a fighting chance?

Well, there's only one way to find out!!!!

reply to post by Camtheconspiracyman


I'm not really sure? The question in itself isn't complicated, but all the possibilities and unknowns, like who has actual bttle experience, are the civilians veterans, what types of guns do the civilians have, because most have guns, but i'm betting alot less actually have whats considered an assault rifle, who knows the terrain better, if this were to happen would the government be on the brink of collapse? I will say though if this scenario did happen it would probably end up bad for the government. Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan (with the US and Russians), and Iraq just to name a few. The militia's would probably start using guerrila warfare as it would be the best way to fight.

It would be a mess.

A couple of key questions that would have to be considered before you could even begin to study this scenario.

How many "militia" do you expect to participate. Every able body male 17 to 45 according to Title 10 USC definition of militia??? A few thousand....a few hundred thousand. All gun owners??? At best I say you could raise a million and that's really pushing it, but I guess it depends on what and why this scenario has even unfolded?

How many National Guardsmen refuse orders? How many join the militia? Is this as individuals or as entire units? Are we excluding active duty from this since under posse commetatis they can't participate? How many Guard units persue the militia with extreme prejudice?

How do Rules of Engagement play out. Are the Guard Forces using aircraft to bomb entire neighborhoods? FASCAM artillery to destroy targets and prevent movement?? Are they being careful of collateral as to not drive citizens to the side of this apparent uprising?

Why is this happening in the first place? Is the non militia populace supporting the militia or the state/federal forces?

Almost certainly the "militia' is using primarily guerilla based tactics. Light infantry in the open wouldn't last long against mechanized forces with air power.

How does the media play into this....who are they for?? Do any state governments side with the militia's...and if so do their Guard officers support them?

How is this militia coordinated? Are they of common purpose, or do they have C3I issues? Do they have internal disputes,, are they just as likely to fight each other?

It's such a mess I wouldn't want to even speculate.

reply to post by Camtheconspiracyman


To answer your question: Its in the Constitution, also know as the Posse Comitatus clause.

reply to post by SrWingCommander


All good points and good questions, however, one key fact, just in the NRA alone, there are over a million members. All of which whom would be along side of "militias" due to the fact that the NRA members would deem their rights as gun owners to be threatened. Most of which would stand up and let their weapons be their voice. Not to mention the many whom are not NRA members because they don't wont documentation filed on their weapons cache at home. Either way, it would be interesting to say the least.
I believe someone mentioned, guardsmen, ( due to moral standards ) would defect? This is a high possibility considering the troops would see the civilians fighting for just cause. But then again, who knows?

reply to post by 2Rotten4u


Perhaps you can include the specific part of the Constitution you're citing? The Posse Comitatus Act is a federal law, and is most definitely not a part of the constitution. In any case, it does not include the National Guard, which can be used stateside with permission of the governor.

reply to post by SrWingCommander


Ok lets assume 1,500,000( including turned gaurdsmen and NRA) people on the uprisings side. The coast gaurd wants minimal civilian disruptions as possible. The population is split 50/50 on the uprising(for support). Media is (of course) for the government. All the militias are for a common cause. Guerilla tactics are indeed used. And both sides have plenty of ammo.

Look at the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 , The Insurrection Act of 1807, and John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 for the legal basis of Federal involvement.

The National Guard would win hands down. They have superior firepower at their disposal. Not too many militias have helicopters, artillery, let alone tanks. They do have rifles and shotguns, which isn't much against armor and flying things.

Originally posted by Camtheconspiracyman
oh I'm sure there is some militia group with aircraft for warfare and possible bazooka's for the armored vehicles. And as for 2rotten4u where does it say that in the constitution specifically ?

Yeah, I think that a National Guard AH-64 is worried about a couple of fatasses in a Cessna 172.

if you can disable their technology, or procure it then you can use it against them. federal corporate government wants to make you think that they cant use the national guard but they can use NATO, from either coast, trained mercenaries from south of the border, and they can make a good excuse for just about anything. remember Waco texas? ruby ridge? what were their flaws and as a small fighting force? how was the resistance destroyed? lack of Intel, lack of combat training, lack of battle experience, and no cover from sniper fire as well as staying surrounded in one place without killing a single enemy. if it's a bunch of people with guns and a tank around my home just because of a hand gesture i'll be in Valhalla at least with the pride knowing that not only did i die but so did at least a few government trained murderers sent to silence the subversive

The NG gets their pay checks from the Gov., and would they want
to loose their rank. (Pay check or The Constitution)?
The bottle neck to planes & large armor vehicles is they need fuel.
Any semi carrying gasoline is a sitting duck. With a single man
and shooting a 30-06.
I believe the American People would win at a high cost of life. Would
be one way the gov could de-populate America.

reply to post by Camtheconspiracyman


You know..If it gets to the stage of citizens in the National Gaurd are firing on everage Americans than it's a lost cause already...

I'd see a few skirmishs until the bulk of the Gaurds realised what was happening..
Then they would all fight together..

ANY Government that plays citizen on citizen deserves the gallows...

Originally posted by 19rn50
I believe the American People would win at a high cost of life. Would
be one way the gov could de-populate America.

point taken
300 can still win against one million. and at such high cost of life, the survivors of such battle can easily train others.