Revolution is illegal according to the 14th Amendment Sec 4 of the US Constitution

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38

George Washington was a dissent until we became a country.

All who oppose the seated power are dissents.

Funny how that works.

The winner gets to write the history books.

Originally posted by sapien82

It would be one bloody revolution , I think the people vs the current government would come off not to bad , as most troops from the US are currently overseas and stretched thin.

An armed revolution in the US would undoubtedly be brutal , but that would surely lead to change world wide

What are the likely outcomes of a US revolution , I mean how would that effect the rest of the world.
US foreign policy would change immediately , the army would be recalled , trade would stop.

Anyone care to add anything ?

I'm listening to the history of the roman empire

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

all the debt you mentioned isnt your debt , its US governments debt not that of the individual , you can read this in the magna carta and the decleration Im sure it states that we are not liable for the debt of the government. We are being made to pay taxes to pay off the government debt .

No I'm pretty sure it's your debt

You're failure to acknoledge that you (The people) are the government does not release the debt that you (The government) chose to take on.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


The 14th cannot override the 2nd and vice versa. That is that.

The 2nd authourizes an armed revolution and the 14th decrees all people born in the US as automatic citizens and hereby affords all the 2nd Amendment right.

Hook, Line, Sinker, SUNK!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Now, if you could only convince those Critters in WDC that this is true, we might get our' REPUBLIC' back! I think it's going to take a large dose of 2nd to get them to see the error of their ways in using the 14th and the 10th in incorrect manners!!

Zindo

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

Now, if you could only convince those Critters in WDC that this is true, we might get our' REPUBLIC' back! I think it's going to take a large dose of 2nd to get them to see the error of their ways in using the 14th and the 10th in incorrect manners!!

Zindo

The 10th does not grant the States the authourity to deny any of it's citizens any of the rights contained in The Bill Of Rights. Whoever does is in violation of both The Constitution itself and Federal law. The 10th only grants The States the authourity to act independant and autonomously. They cannot use the 10th to usurp Federal law.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


It doesn't seem to stop them from using both these amendments as reasons for the usurpation of out rights though does it? The SCOTUS seems to ignore the original meaning and can't seem to reverse themselves on any opinion they have written based on the amendments we are speaking about!

ZIndo

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This seems to fit somehow.
Understanding You Tube. I hear negative things about the site. Some feel it is bogus and deals with only misinformation. Wikipedia is also touted to be bogus because anyone can write anything. That is not true but never the less people are responsible for all publications. That is where information comes from people. Every news source from paper, magazine, library, TV, wire, telephone, book or bible or internet is simply a conveyance of information. Validity stands the test of research. If you listen to anything and simply believe it you are probably a very stupid and ignorant person. Ignorance is correctable. Stupid is not. You Tube is now the greatest and largest single source of information on the planet! Marvelous information there for the asking or click!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

The 14th cannot override the 2nd and vice versa. That is that.

The 2nd authourizes an armed revolution and the 14th decrees all people born in the US as automatic citizens and hereby affords all the 2nd Amendment right.

Hook, Line, Sinker, SUNK!

edit on 27-10-2010 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

The bill of rights was to subvert the people and the states and give power to the feds.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

Jesus died for his own sins, not mine.

My existence is not dependent on a man that may or may have not existed over 2000 years ago.

Church was never a part of the equation. It was a protection of the right to believe as a free man. Religion was simply a part of all the many things a man can believe. Somehow the church slipped in on the constitutional meaning of Natural law and should also be revisited as to where the church is constitutionally protected. I personally do not think it is.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by sapien82

It would be one bloody revolution , I think the people vs the current government would come off not to bad , as most troops from the US are currently overseas and stretched thin.

An armed revolution in the US would undoubtedly be brutal , but that would surely lead to change world wide

What are the likely outcomes of a US revolution , I mean how would that effect the rest of the world.
US foreign policy would change immediately , the army would be recalled , trade would stop.

Anyone care to add anything ?

I'm listening to the history of the roman empire

I have added strings to all the military face books and can tell you that there is no way they will stand behind America. They have totaly sold out to obamanation. An armed revolt is a waist of time. Unless we want to live in the hills for 1400 years.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

The 14th cannot override the 2nd and vice versa. That is that.

The 2nd authourizes an armed revolution and the 14th decrees all people born in the US as automatic citizens and hereby affords all the 2nd Amendment right.

Hook, Line, Sinker, SUNK!

edit on 27-10-2010 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Was the 14th amendment ratified? Read the information from the start or you'll never know the ending of how we have been abused.

Getting rid of the 14th will solve a whole host of other problems.

www.civil-liberties.com...

www.examiner.com...

Win 50K if you prove the 14th is legitimate.
www.dirtyunclesam.com

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
So what you say?

If you revolt the US government won't pay your debts and they won't stop foriegn countries and private armies from attempting to collect on the debt.

So basically any breakaway regions of the US will be turned over to the vultures and left to fend for themselves.

US Constitution Amendment XIV - Section 4

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 24-10-2010 by In nothing we trust because: (no reason given)

Was the 14th amendment ratified? Read the information from the start or you'll never know the ending of how we have been abused.

Getting rid of the 14th will solve a whole host of other problems.

www.civil-liberties.com...

www.examiner.com...

Win 50K if you prove the 14th is legitimate.
www.dirtyunclesam.com

if you want to bring down the government just quit paying taxes. quit using the feds money.
the government doesn't have the inhouse manpower to control 300+million people.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE and without our consent they have nothing. quit consenting.

demand justice and force the letter of the law to prevail.

the people all need to go to washington and demand the current administration to stand down.

5+million people armed in washington demanding the government stand down, is more manpower than the entire armed forces combined.

just make you sure have another 20 million ready in reserve to crush the military on their bases if they choose to assault the american people.

and by the way. we have no debt to the world. they all owe us. including china

if it wasnt for the US the nazis would be in control of the world and china would be called JAPAN

Originally posted by sk1951

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

The 14th cannot override the 2nd and vice versa. That is that.

The 2nd authourizes an armed revolution and the 14th decrees all people born in the US as automatic citizens and hereby affords all the 2nd Amendment right.

Hook, Line, Sinker, SUNK!

Was the 14th amendment ratified? Read the information from the start or you'll never know the ending of how we have been abused.

Getting rid of the 14th will solve a whole host of other problems.

www.civil-liberties.com...

www.examiner.com...

Win 50K if you prove the 14th is legitimate.
www.dirtyunclesam.com

The 14th is clear. We are not getting rid of it and that is that. That is a clearcut example to deny the Constitution when it's politically convienent to do so. Typical Ultra Right Wing hogwash. Raitifed by all member states July 9 1868 so it is fully legal. No state who joined the Union afterwards had to ratify it as the ratification was done by the states that were in The Union which then only consisted of 37 states.

This is a clearcut attempt to deny those of Hispanic, Native American Indian, African American, Arabs, Orientals, Islanders, Indians and other Caucasians their rights. If this ever becomes nullified at least an estimated 265 Million out of the estimated 311 Million people in this nation would be instantly stripped of thier rights.

Yet another clearcut attempt by The Ultra Right to divide the nation and to cost everyone Their Constitutional rights. If our brave servicemen and servicewomen fought and died to protect these rights a simple stroke of a pen as well as a simple vote cannot undo this. Whoever else thinks that American's should be denied any rights have automatically forfieted theirs and are Anti American, Anti Freedom and Anti Constitution. Well according to the entire GOP is that The Bill Of Rights was killed on Mar 09 2006 when the USA Patriot Act Authourization was implemented. Also, a Bush-ism more then applies here "If you're not with us, you are with The TERRORISTS!".

Whatever stance I take pertaining to the nation and our Consitution can be taken to the bank. I will not ever attempt to deny someone thier rights because they happen to look differently, act and talk differently.

edit on 31-10-2010 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by sk1951

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
So what you say?

If you revolt the US government won't pay your debts and they won't stop foriegn countries and private armies from attempting to collect on the debt.

So basically any breakaway regions of the US will be turned over to the vultures and left to fend for themselves.

US Constitution Amendment XIV - Section 4

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 24-10-2010 by In nothing we trust because: (no reason given)

Was the 14th amendment ratified? Read the information from the start or you'll never know the ending of how we have been abused.

Getting rid of the 14th will solve a whole host of other problems.

www.civil-liberties.com...

www.examiner.com...

Win 50K if you prove the 14th is legitimate.
www.dirtyunclesam.com

My reply to the Dirty Uncle Sam site :

Hi. 10.31.10

This is pertaining to your 14th Amemdment offer.

Article I Sec 3 decrees the order of the 2/3 majority wasn't required because when the 14th was passed it originally was to include reintroducing those former slaves and those sympathetic to the cause of The Confederacy would be granted an avenue to effectively exempt them from being tried and prosecuted for high treason and crimes against the nation itself and was further expanded in 1955 when Eisenhower ordered the forced segregation of the school as well as The Civil Rights Act of 1964. It prohibited the states from exercising the 10th to opt out of this decree. The 14th is expanded to include those born in the US to be automatic citizens and no lower entity has the authourity to deny any person born in the legal jurisdiction of The USA that right.

Article I Sec 7 decrees the "2/3 Voting majority rule that nowadays requires a 60 vote majority to block a fillibuster. This also requires that any pending approved legislation by The Congress be either signed into law or vetoed in a timely manner. The "Case Of A Bill" decrees that no legislation passed by The Congress that is sent back to The Congress reiterates the 2/3's majority for passage on the articles of amendtion.

Article IV Sec. 2 was written and established before the 14th was considered and decreed all who persons who hold allegiance to the US as automatic citizens.

Article VI Sec 6 decrees The Constitution itself as the Supreme Law Of The Land specified in the following phrase " shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution".

When the 14th was added to The Constitution the nation only had 37 states and had 11 states with allegiance to the Confederacy thus in return nullifing the 2/3 rule as 26 out of 37 more then meets and exceeds this rule and effectively did not need the consent of the latter 11 to pass or adopt the 14th.

In closing this claim has no legal standing because of a few racist morons wanted to keep certain ethnic and religious subsets from being counted.

Originally posted by sk1951

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

The 14th cannot override the 2nd and vice versa. That is that.

The 2nd authourizes an armed revolution and the 14th decrees all people born in the US as automatic citizens and hereby affords all the 2nd Amendment right.

Hook, Line, Sinker, SUNK!

edit on 27-10-2010 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

The bill of rights was to subvert the people and the states and give power to the feds.

The Bill Of Rights is a decree ordered by The Federal Govt to the States that all persons on trial are to be afforded a certain list of rights and no lower body can deny anyone their rights.

reply to post by In nothing we trust



Thanks OP,

To me the answer to your OP is this:

If you leave the family (the union) you are on your own. We don't pay your bils, and we won't protect you from your creditors. Quits is Quits. But you are not allowed to quit so it's academic.

In that sense, and as it stands today it (the amendment) specifically actually has language that means it is illegal to revolt.

Like someone else said in this thead if you win then you make the rules. However where that leaves you with your enemies and allies is your problem as the new boss.

Best,

Ziggy Strange