NOAA: Arctic changes are affecting climate elsewhere

NOAA: Arctic changes are affecting climate elsewhere

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"There is evidence that the effect of higher air temperatures in the lower Arctic atmosphere in fall is contributing to changes in the atmospheric circulation in both the Arctic and northern mid-latitudes," wrote the report's authors, a team of 69 international scientists.

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So global warming is a hoax eh?

NOAA doesn't believe in it you say?

It's simply a political haymaker you say?

I say you should probably not look at science through too many political lenses...

So now that this is put to rest, the question really is, can we or should we do anything about it?

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reply to post by HunkaHunka


We could actually be going into an arctic freeze instead of global warming. I think these scientist fudge numbers sometimes to their advantage. Anyways I don't trust NOAA unless their following a tornado, the weather in our country, or tracking a hurricane.

No surprises here.Listen to the people talk about how different the weather seems lately,globally.Cycles ?maybe ,but something is going on.Whether or not humans are causing it well that can debated till the cows come home but pumping burnt gases into the atmosphere can not be good.

reply to post by 12voltz


I dunno about it not being good... but it definitely causes change.... ;-)

reply to post by HunkaHunka



No reason to try to convert the people that simply don't want it to be real because it upsets them too much, as they simply will not listen and just shut their eyes and ears.

Personally, I stand with "one foot in each camp" regarding Global Warming, but no matter the case being in regards to Warming and CO2, the FACT is that the poor planet is filled with junk and have oceans made of floating plastic, only because stupid everyday people throw junk around them as if they are living in one big trash can, and yet, blames the Politicians ONLY for the spread junk, when they are just as guilty themselves but refuse to take responsibility for it.

Thankfully, their are now a growing number of areas that sets up laws that makes it a crime to throw junk on the ground, and this will be something that even those ignoring it has to obey, which is a very good step.

Well... climate records show that changes in the arctic usually also effect the antarctic the opposite way.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Yep this is true... it's interesting to note that there are forests which have been monitored and are completely encased so that all the CO2 (not the other stuff like methane, carbon monoxide etc...) is intentionally measured and released into the encasement.

What happens is that the trees soak it up...

so there is another balance, the question is, what is the rate of being able to soak it up, mixed with the rate of it being eliminated... at what point does the tipping point get reached?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


a lot of human generated 'negatives' seems to push too many emotional buttons in people through whatever means i.e. non-related issues in general.... i'm not denying it.... but please, if you intend to raise awareness for change, where is the perspective to frame the solutions?

whenever theres been rapid warming theres always follows a rapid iceage. ITs the Earth dynamic system going to work to stop runaway warming. cant put it simpler than that...
If you look at the global temperatures of the past whenever the global average gets to a certain temperature rapid freezing occurs and we have reached that point and going to surpass it with in 50 years

A 20-year study shows worrying results about the decline of krill, a form of plankton, in the Southern Ocean.
www.abc.net.au...

The Krill are declining
The bees are dying
Stick your head in the sand
and keep denying.

reply to post by 12voltz


A big problem is the amount of Krill actually growing old and die from old age. The sink to the bodem and in such vast quantities that the ocean floors getting intoxicated. Making it difficult for any Photosynthetic life forms to survive the toxic environments they're in and thus disappear disabling the intake of C02 even further.

How do they know it isn't the climate elsewhere affecting the Arctic?

reply to post by abecedarian


Well...

First they thought the North atlantic oscilation and South Atlantic oscilation as well as the Indian and Pacific weathersystems all worked sparate from each other influencing each other only where they collided.

Modern satallite tech has tought us all te weather systems of the world are actually One big system. That's why when there are warm waters for the coaust of Chili there are colder waters in the South Asian regions with an increase in food and mineral sources in the oceans and big wet monsoons while a sever drought forms at the African coast line ( Indian Ocean ) El Ninio vice verse is called el Nina.

During these dry periods more dusty sahara sands flow to Central America causing reef to die and children to get astma.

Ice core data shows us the climate always changed rapidly for anypart on the planet at once allbe it with different results.

I could be way off in chronology, but that's about it. in very big lines.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


You meant "La Nina", right.

Anyhow, what I understood is that the warmer temps started between the tropics of cancer and capricorn then progressed towards the poles during warming trends and during cooling trends the poles cooled first, spreading towards the equator, particularly because the Sun is never overhead any farther north or south than those tropics' longitudes, though the temperature extremes are somewhat mitigated and dispersed by weather patterns.

I could be wrong.

reply to post by abecedarian


Welll don't know.

I do know that the North has got a opposite thing going on from the South pole.

The Antarctic has the advantage of being captivated by cold sea currents that encircle it.
The Arctic is completely open to warmer seas and air stream and sea will never ever get as cold as land mass.

So basically that would mean that any change on the globe except the South pole could and it seems has or can have an effect on the North pole
The extreme cold is bounded to geological and oceanic influences without having lots of air effects.
As warmer air is just a side effect o from warmer waters getting there.

The ocean is the key fator.

warm water warm air more snow more sunlights radiates back in to space but the water will stay almost the same for millenia.