Earthquakes: What is all the discussion about?? Question from a Qualified Geologist

I'm a qualified Geologist, and have been reading all these posts about earthquake activity around the globe. It is apparent that people think that something is going on, but I have found it hard amongst all these postings to find out what peoples theories are about what is actually going on. If people could please outline the ideas they have then that would be great. I am not here to say that people's ideas are crazy, what you believe is what you believe, but I do want a proper sensible discussion.

Hi Rock Hunter,

Actually, this topic brought me here to ATS. I have "no theory". That is why I do the quake analysis on a weekly basis (well, more or less). To have an analytical approach to the issue. I'm just a quake-junkie who likes to keep up with things.

Here is my quake analysis, which does seem to show a trend:


Quake Analysis

That is the gist of most of these posts. You take a couple of normal enough, random natural events and link them up with the implication that there is a sinister plot behind them.

For instance, an Earthquake in Iran, and the Bush Daughters getting busted for drinking (just pulled that one out of my hat), Obviously some one was playing with the Scalar system and overloaded the HAARP arrays.

Didn't you know that?

It amazes me that when push comes to shove, everybody else is a conspiracy theorist. My questions are simple wh9ich is probably a reflection of my mental ability, however they are of interest to me.

1) Are occurances of earthquakes on the increase, and if so whithin which size ranges?
2) Recently a scientist predicted three earthquakes, of which two have already occurred and the third is predicted by September 5th (I think) in California. What is your opinion of this?
3) What are the major influences that would promote the occurances of earthquakes, other than the obvious?

Thanks, I'll be the dunce in the corner awaiting your responses.

i'm in the same boat as Valhall. living in michigan, i never really experience earthquakes of significant (meaning not really felt by anything other than a seismograph) quakes. the last quake that actually caused some damage around here was maybe five or six years ago. it set off a bunch of car alarms and derailed someone's garage door. damn that ohio fault line!

anyway though, i don't believe there to be any conspiracy to controlling seismic or weather related events. the earth is an incredibly active place, both internally and externally, and some people just don't seem to understand that,

Originally posted by Mynaeris
It amazes me that when push comes to shove, everybody else is a conspiracy theorist. My questions are simple wh9ich is probably a reflection of my mental ability, however they are of interest to me.

1) Are occurances of earthquakes on the increase, and if so whithin which size ranges?
2) Recently a scientist predicted three earthquakes, of which two have already occurred and the third is predicted by September 5th (I think) in California. What is your opinion of this?
3) What are the major influences that would promote the occurances of earthquakes, other than the obvious?

Thanks, I'll be the dunce in the corner awaiting your responses.

Well, here's your cap. You just asked at least one or two questions that can be easily researched by clicking on the quake analysis link that is in this thread???

Also, I don't understand your comment here:

"It amazes me that when push comes to shove, everybody else is a conspiracy theorist."

What does that mean?

Valhall: I read your links and I found them rather interesting. I was posing questions that I had been reading on other threads. That was the reference to "When push comes to shove" - we have a geologist who wants to explain things and suddenly all conspiracy theorists disappear.

By the way I only play a dunce online. In real life I'm just stupid.

I'd just like to say this is great, exactly what I wanted. Firstly I am a qualified geologist, but some of the best geologists I know have recieved no formal training, so Valhall your enthusiasm is great. Your page is good and shows some interesting things. Now you propose a link, which is fair enough. The increase in earthquakes you see is not a numerical increase, but more of a sampling increase. This is due to several aspects, firstly their is simply more seismographs then in the 1970's, the other aspect is that with the advent of internet and better wireless devices, the seismograph network is now truly global and a lot more sensitive to picking up smaller earthquakes which previously got lost in the "noise".

When a fault ruptures it has a certain stress field. The important thing to realise is that other faults can lie within this stress field, and when it combines in a certain way, it can cause another fault within this field to fail. Almost giving the fault an extra push as it were to fail and cause an earthquake. So yes it is valid science when you look at it in detail, and the idea has been well recieved the by geoscience world. California aside, one aspect which many geologists are keeping an eye on is istanbul, recent work by some scientists who discovered that by looking at the stress fields along the North Anatolian fault they could predict, and looking for areas were the stress was concentrated they could predict the area of earhquakes, hence they predicted izmit most famously. Their recent work suggests that the next area which is currently undergoing increased stress is the submerged section of the anatolian fault beneath the marmara sea. This could have really serious consequences, the problem however with the work is althogh the next earhquake is liable to occur at this location, the time is not known.

"What are the major influences that would promote the occurances of earthquakes, other than the obvious?" - I'm unsure what you are asking in this, fault failure is influenced by many things, lithology, regional stess field, magma injection, crustal loading e.g water in dams. Their are hundreds of things, but it in the end all boils down to changing the stress to a point that it overcomes other opposing forces.

Who proposes a link?

I propose nothing. Let me explain why I started the analysis. There was LOTS of proposals of links...lol...and statements of increased quake activity going about. I never was anything but aggravated on the repeated "links to HAARP" and such...but as far as the question as to whether the activity had substantially increased, I decided the best thing was to just start tracking it.

Now, I realize, because like M. above...I'm not a dunce in real life...I'm just plain stupid...lol (good one M.) that PART of the increase in activity is due to more seismos and better reporting...BUT, I also believe (in the larger magnitudes) there is an increase. Does this mean anything that needs to be worried about? I doubt it, but mostly nobody knows seeing as we have no idea what the "cyclic" nature of global seismicity is.

I look forward to learning more from you.

Sorry Valhall my mistake, I worded it wrongly. I must admit one of the reasons why I came on this site is I wanted to hear what these HARRP people were going on about.

The problem regards what you are saying is down to the time period of sampling, in geological time 30 odd years of good sound seismograph data does not allow anything to be said about what is happening. Yes your data does shown an short time scale increase, but over a long time scale this will probably be insignigicant. Correct that patterns of long term earthquake activity is not known, but the problems is lack of data, as with most things.

Is an increase in earthquake activity part of Biblical predictions for the End of Days?

If so, I wonder whether actual number of detection of the quakes are meant to be greater as opposed to the number of quakes?

www.onealclan.com

Originally posted by 2012
Is an increase in earthquake activity part of Biblical predictions for the End of Days?

Well, in the eagerness of people to have the End Times come, yes there are those who say that. It's not actually Biblical, no... but people interpret some of the verses to mean that.

And, as in every century before this one, when people decide that "the Earth is terribly evil and God's gonna come soon", EVERY thing is taken as a sign that the End Is Here.

If so, I wonder whether actual number of detection of the quakes are meant to be greater as opposed to the number of quakes?

Uhm... the number of detected quakes ARE the number of quakes. But not all earthquakes are things that noticeably shake the ground. Most of them are quakes you can't feel.

When we were in Hawaii, at the volcano Mauna Loa, there was high earthquake activity and we saw it on the seismographs. Same with Arenal in Costa Rica. We'd stand and watch the instruments... and never feel any of these quakes and shifting.

But they were real.

Rock Hunter, the HAARP connection to earthquakes is B.S, based on the obslolete aether theory (scalar weapons, etc.)

I do have a question for you.

There is A thread on ATS about a lake dissapearing in a S. Louis suburb. The explanation so far seems to be that a sinkhole formed in the underlying limestone strata.

My question is this, how deep is the New Madrid fault? What precursers, if any, would indicate posssible problems with this fault?

(there are a couple of yellowstone threads around here also, if you are interested)

I've gotta go with Rock Hunter.

Many of the M > 4.0 quakes now being recorded and published would NEVER have been recorded even 10 years ago.

The fervor over implementing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) has led to to an unbelievable incrase in the number and quality of recording stations all over the world. The International Monitoring System (IMS) which previously consisted of a few arrays and a number of aging 3-component seismograph systems, now consists of several times the number of stations, most of which are arrays of the highest quality. Naturally, we are seeing more reports of earthquakes.

Many of the (additional) earthquakes now being reported in international earthquake bulletins would previously only been reported in local bulletins.

Also, R.H. is spot on about the time constants involved...a few years or decades is nothing geologically.

I read once it is possible to set up a resonant amplificaton of vibrational energy by setting a steel post so many feet into the ground and having a motor with a metal 'clapper' attached to it set to a location specific RPM and letting it run. IF I am not mistaken it was an offshoot of one of Tesla's toys that worked well enough to cause a measurable quake and the locals formed a mob squad to get him to shut it off. Now if it is possible to do this vith a metal pole, it is possible to accomplish this with radio i.e. HAARP. Also interesting is the increase of light shows preceeding a quake which would support the HAARP earthquake connection. What do you guys think?

Where did my post just go??? Weird! Let's try this again.....

Rock Hunter,

Is there new equipment every year? 3 years? How often? People keep refering to increases over 20-30 year period. I'm referring to sizable increases in M>1-4 earthquakes in the past 3 years. Is this all from changes in detection equipment?

Thanks,
Harmony

Well, Rock doesn't seem to be reading this thread much, but you did ask a question I actually can answer from my limited knowledge of geology:

Originally posted by HowardRoarkThere is A thread on ATS about a lake dissapearing in a S. Louis suburb. The explanation so far seems to be that a sinkhole formed in the underlying limestone strata.

My question is this, how deep is the New Madrid fault? What precursers, if any, would indicate posssible problems with this fault?

The lake has no relation to the New Madrid Fault. What's happened is basic cave formation; the area is made up of limestone and seeping water and underground rivers will leech the limestone away and leave a nice cave there... or, rather, systems of caves.

When the cave roof is close enough to the surface and the rock is thin enough, it begins to collapse and we have what's called a "sinkhole" or a "Karst sinkhole." They're all over the Austin, Texas area.

Here's a nice review of the New Madrid Fault:
quake.ualr.edu...

Harmony

There may well have been an increase in the number of mb

Im realizing that this earth is "waking up", her glaciers are melting running back to the sea, and the volcanoes around the world are beginning to waken too. With co2 levels rising, and water rising, and earth activity picking up too, you may be left wondering what else could we not be picking up on?

i think we miss the effects that many of these things bring upon eachother...

water leveles rise, more water to absorbe energy from sun,, more weight upon the earths crust than it is use to in certain areas.

everything has been stable for so long we took it for granted, or forgot more or less. but now things are changing and we dont know what to do... well itz too late for that, its what can we do to save our selves.

volcanoes will erupt, and land will move again. Winters will become everlasting, and glaciers will soon form again. The science behind this is all very interresting, and the connections with the sun and the earth's weather is also amazing. We live on a delicate world, and itz goin to show us it's wrath. Any ideas of what can happen? or any connections i might of missed. Curious mind awaits bright eyes

West Coast and Alaska Tsunami Warning Center/NOAA/NWS

earthquake.usgs.gov...

Wow! This seems to have been a big one. And I notice there is alot of activity in Cloverdale CA. today. Could be the big one's coming to the west coast anyday now.

Thats weird. The first link had it at 7.4 recorded as in the past hour at 21:26:47 (UTC)

Now it's at 7.3 at 21:26:44 (UTC)

earthquake.usgs.gov...


OK It was because it was a Preliminary Earthquake Report


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