strange sub pic

Hi there ,

i was recently sent this to give my opinon....


i personally think it is a composite of images......but i would like to know what ATS thinks ??

thanks

snoopyuk

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reply to post by snoopyuk


I think it's from Ace Combat.

The video game.

Edit: Ace Combat 5 to be exact.

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reply to post by snoopyuk


More info on where you got it from mate?

Personally, it looks like a rather decent cg image that someone created for a sci fi movie

VvV

reply to post by Chadwickus


Nice find sir, I think that settels it.
I had Ace Combat 1 and 2 for PS.
I remember hitting the air brakes in dog fights in order to get them in front of me. Therefore I could lock on them when they sped past.
Good times

reply to post by Chadwickus


THANKYOU Chadwickus....great job...

case and thread closed..

thanks

snoopyuk

reply to post by Tribble


Air combat was one of the first games I bought for my PS1, I think it was the second after NBA Live 96, long time ago!

A great series of games!

If that was a real craft it would be the biggest thing in the ocean ever and why would you need anything that size anyways, i thought it was from 2012 the movie. lol

well..i know its from a game...but im suprised about the realistic colors

need to buy that game

reply to post by snoopyuk


It seems like the consensus is that it is not a legitimate image. However, it skirts around a topic I've often thought about. Given a UFO-type lifting device, ship yards, specially sub-building ship yards could be making space ships right under our noses. I had that thought first back in about 1955 or so when the nuclear USS Nautilus was launched.

Given a UFO lifting device that would allow about any shape for the vehicle, the basic ship could be engineered to look exactly like a sub, with a phony prop, bow planes and all, but never use them or discard them at some point after launch if desired. That prospect is hardly any different than an aircraft, where every pound of weight is a problem, carrying landing gear around with it as it flies .

Actually, subs ARE space ships and, boy, are they armed. Think about the velocity of an ICBM launched in space from an orbiting sub. Nothing but a fast laser weapons system would cut them down. Water and the home dock, if not dry dock, could actually be where they "land" and restock as a matter of utility and to maintain the cover.

(Stone sober here on a Sunday morning)

someone posted this image on another thread........

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit: found it, its a "SCINFAXI CLASS SUBMARINE" from Ace combat 5

acecombat.wikia.com...

Originally posted by woogleuk
someone posted this image on another thread........

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit: found it, its a "SCINFAXI CLASS SUBMARINE" from Ace combat 5

acecombat.wikia.com...

edit on 17/10/10 by woogleuk because: added stuff

Well, so the Oseans are a very advance race of beings. Very advanced technologically. I marvel at it, but a bit puzzled also for their forward thinking that far exceeds ours, in particular the need for the multiple rather small landing, mooring, diving, driving, (flying?) cruising, fog, parking lights they stuck all over the front of that thing. We have such capabilities also, we we usually restrict them to semi-truck trailers.

I would rather stick with my UFO-powered Nautilus suggestion in my earlier postin above. At least, I can understand that far into science/science-fiction without getting a headache. But all of those lights...?

The Scinfaxi was a Yuktobanian submersible carrier. It was capable of launching drones and some light carrier jets, plus anti-carrier cruise missiles that create large aerial explosions followed by hot liquid metallic rain. Also has a twin ship called the Hrimfaxi, and you sink both in Ace Combat 5 campaign. It's a great game both storywise and in understanding agenda and warfare.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


I am not buying another game system. I had the first pong game where both controls were set in the council all the way up to the PS2, and AC5 is not available for the PC.
I looked around the web for more pictures of it to no avail.
Can you post any more pics of this sub?

Originally posted by Tribble
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

I am not buying another game system. I had the first pong game where both controls were set in the council all the way up to the PS2, and AC5 is not available for the PC.
I looked around the web for more pictures of it to no avail.
Can you post any more pics of this sub?

This pic itself appears to be just concept art, or at most CGI rendering that did not make it into the game. Ace Combat has a few interesting concepts for super weapons of this nature, including an air fleet with a flagship air carrier (AC6), or chemical lasers or satellite based nuclear weapons platforms, etc.

But interesting thing to note is that the Scinfaxi was a secret weapon that went offensive and destroyed two of three Osean carriers, altering the shift of the Osean-Yuktobanian war... Though of course the entire war was puppeteered by Belkan nationalists from the shadows (it is all a metaphor for US vs USSR vs Germany).

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping there was a 360 degree preview of all crafts- friend and foe.
So you have satellite based nuclear weapons platforms! I did see some YT missions showing the game.

Meanwhile I am still learning how to fly my 04 Flight Simulator Powerpack.3. Some experimental planes with detailed missions.

I found this pic on my own earlier today from somewhere else, and it greatly caught my curiosity with the claims being made on it. I then found out it was used in Ace Combat 5, and so I emailed the source of the pic from where I'd found it (Unwanted Publicity Information Group). Soon after I received a prompt reply. Here it is...

Dear James,

Thanks for your concern.

First, the image I hold in evidence, is 'not the same image resolution
quality' displayed on any of my websites. A lower-quality image [ see
attached ], however was purposely placed long ago in the public domain
without any copyright restrictions attached thereto. It should also be
noted that 'various image quality versions' of this image are
additionally positioned elsewhere on several other internet websites,
and as such I suspect for a variety of reasons. The reason it appears
positioned, with such particular mentions, on my website(s) has never
been publicly revealed;

Second, in addition to 'official documents', the 'extremely
high-resolution color image photograph' I possess clearly shows 'human
being faces' ( not GCI mock-ups ) of those whom were later identified
by their own 'personal identification documents'. FYI, individuals
were not only positioned 'underneath' but 'inside' the sub at
dry-dock;

Third, Ace Combat and/or affiliates only obtained a 'much lower
resolution image copy' that was also never copyrighted, and then
decidely incorporated it into a video game for profit by exercising an
entrepeneurial spirit that may have otherwise been commended; and,

Fourth, unless Ace Combat and/or affiliates wish to reveal pertinent
facts surrounding government contractual agreement obligations
contravening the laws of 'uncopyrighted images released into the
public domain' prior to their decidely using such for profit, I
suspect nothing will ever be done about the sub in-question.

I suggest if something - as you say - "could be done about it," a
professional legal advisory opinion might be sought to bring a
satisfactory resolution to whomsoever's issue it is.

A professional legal advisory opinion advises that in this specific
instance, along with a few other such instances, nothing be done as
other obligations for years have been at work here for good cause.
Henceforth, I can do nothing at this time and other than that I am
restricted from indicating anything further about this subject.

On an entirely different subject, I have decidely included an
attachment ( herein ) of 1958 copyright material pertaining to an
interestingly designed hobbycraft released to the public by the
Testors Corporation. Research of such, for some, may provide
interesting future observations.

Hopefully, one may ascertain much from reading between the lines.

Thanks for your e-mail of concern, and thanks for noticing the image again.

Cordially,

Paul

(Included was another photo of a plastic model kit of a F-19 Stealth Jet Fighter from 1958.) I'll leave you to decide if you should take this person at his word. I honestly don't know. I guess it's possible, but I have no proof either way...

reply to post by Stalyon


Is this supposed to be somebody claiming this sub is not from AC5?

Because it is. Like I said, this specific CGI image is not in the game (from my memory and I've beat it like 20 times), though the CGI in AC5 is extremely good for its game generation. You can fly right over the sub in the game and it's the same sub.

reply to post by Stalyon


Good grief! That guy's claims are ridiculous. Look at the F-117 images and the dates he has marked them?

unwantedpublicity.media.officelive.com...

The same with the Boeing RocketDyne AeroSpike image that he claims is from 1965!

It is taken from the following

www.boeing.com...

The same with his claims of the image titled.

'Project: MANTA - Lockheed Avenger Mark IV (aka) B-IV ( B-4 ) bomber mid-air refueling from Boeing KC-135Q tanker with two F-14 Tomcat escorts ( Ankara, Turkey enroute 17JAN91 to Baghdad, Iraq ) [ NOTE: When this photo was 'first' released, 'subsequent reports' adjudged it a 'hoax', even though the original was a 'color photo' taken by a U.S. Navy seaman in the Persian Gulf.'



The guy can't even identify correctly the aircraft in the image. Those are F-111s and not F-14s.

It is a montage image created by Bill Rose. It appeared in the October 1995 issue of Astronomy Now (UK). Bill Rose captioned the image 'A simulation of the refuelling of the top secret 'Aurora'. Ever since then this image,and other compositions he has created, have been used as real images ever since.

TJ

Actually, I believe he is claiming that the people that created Ace Combat 5 came across that picture and added it into the game because it had no copyright attached to it (and it does look really cool). He is claiming to have a much higher resolution copy of the picture in which the faces of the individuals in the picture (there are about a half dozen) have been identified as actual people, so they're not cgi creations. Or at least that is what he claims. I haven't seen this higher resolution photo, so I cannot verify his claims. It's true that the pic does look very realistic, but cgi has come a long way as well. Without a look at this supposed higher res picture, I wouldn't be willing to say this guy is right. Just because he says so, doesn't mean it is so. On the other hand, it is possible he's speaking the truth, but without proof, it can't be verified.

I thought I'd add a much higher resolution picture of the above image. In this one you can zoom in and see the people under the sub, and on the catwalk above. It does look very real, but again, who knows? I'm still looking into this guys claims. I'm going to see if I can get a copy of his 'much' higher res photo copy. That is a good point about the engine pic above though. The boeing website has it dated at 2001, and this guy's got it dated 1965. I think I'll ask him about that as well, although I think I'll do it after asking for his supposed 'much higher res' photo.

Here's the link for that higher res picture of the sub...

upintelligence.files.wordpress.com...

What I had believed at first to be rain drops on the lens, he says are actually sea gulls. When zoomed in they do look like blurry birds.

I found a gallery for Ace Combat, and this pic which appears to have been cropped, does in fact have a copyright on it; Project Aces c (with a circle around it) 2004 NBCI

I think I'll ask that guy about that too...