Conversation with a Scramjet (The Truth about UFOs/Aliens)

Originally posted by Gazrok
I have to think they are more like sentries...making sure we're all good little galactic neighbors, until they have to either sound the alarm, or swoop in and have a talk with us "kids"....

That would be my guess also; the "quarantine enforcers" reported by remote viewers (see link below) would seem to support this theory, assuming of course such objects exist.

Are Bucky Balls still in use?

First of all...

What Aliens and Excuse me... what truth..??.. The one we have not seen yet or the "android type" that we have a lot of reports on..?

Honestly, try a master piece ever written called “The end of childhood” by late Arthur C. Clarke R.I.P…

See if you have the same idea again..


Thanks..

reply to post by amkia

See if you have the same idea again..

Yes I made an AC Clarke reference in my post. So what?

I'm examining the evidence based on the evidence. Not based on what I personally think is crazy or not crazy.

reply to post by Scramjet76


scram this is a great thread!
you have put forward some excellent points
i can only add that this is probably like you
pointed out "the circle of life"

it makes perfect sense. genius.

my only gripe is how do we take back the power from the "elite"
that clearly see only material possessions and control over us
that then will be one more step to getting closer to our
real place in the universe.
Do you think TPTB no this is our destiny but are so greedy &
they are trying to cling on to this pathetic way of life just because
all they care about is money and power?

Sorry Scram, but this theory seems to be based on pure imagination. I realize you know a lot more about the UFO phenomenon than I do and maybe in your head somewhere there is info to back this stuff up but I'm not getting it from what you've written.

First off, 'hierarchy' is the wrong term. A mouse might eat an insect but insects may also eat a mouse. It doesn't really matter. The carnivore is not superior to the herbivore in any way. They have simply adapted different strengths and weaknesses. Evolution's only measure of success is continuation. In that way, every non-extinct species is equal. Humans may be superior to all others because we are the only ones with any chance whatsoever of surviving the death of our planet. However, we are also the only one's capable of hurrying the death of our planet so time will tell which of our potentials will prevail.

As you know, I don't like the terms "type 1" "type 2" etc. They're not only an over-simplification (there would be many shades in between) but they're just wrong. They are based on the energy usage of a species which is basically irrelevant. The true measure of a species is its computational capability. What makes us potentially superior to all other species? We have the best computers in our heads (and of course the means to put them to use but the evolution of thumbs and brains are tightly interdependent anyway). Now we are the verge of creating superior non-biological intelligence. You think our DNA has potential but the truth is that its potential is nearly exhausted. If you expect us to evolve better brains, better wait 100,000 years but it could just as easily go the other way (see Idiocracy). But you don't have to wait that long for non-biological intelligence. It will surpass biology in a few decades and immediately fly past what we now think of as human potential. This isn't even speculation, it's just what one should expect from ever increasing technology.

So then, if you make the claim that there are aliens visiting earth, you have to accept that they are well past the level of tech necessary to create non-biological intelligence. Here's where your talk of mice and bugs really matters. For us to try to comprehend such intelligences with our bio-brains is like a mouse watching Da Vinci paint the Mona Lisa and trying to understand what he was up to. I can't speculate what use they'd have for us. We don't have much use for a mouse but then we shouldn't ascribe our own thinking to such advanced beings if they exist.

We can argue all day about whether ETs exist. Despite the vastness of space, there is no requirement for them to exist. We have no real evidence aside from some events that we can't readily explain. It would be best to keep explanations for these events as simple as possible (but no simpler). The explanation that aliens from another star came to earth so they could fly over Arizona is not nearly simple enough and it opens up a lot of other questions like "Why is a post-singularity civilization flying around in big metal cigars?" "What interest does a civilization that can perform in a single second the sum total of all calculations performed by all human brains for the past 10,000 years combined have in us at all?" "Why haven't they even started to convert the mass of our solar system to some computational medium?" "If there is such a vast intelligent civilization spread throughout the galaxy, why can't we detect them in any way (SETI, etc)?"

reply to post by Okonomiyaki3000


Hey man nice to see you back on ATS. Your posts are always very intelligent and thoughtful. I know you don't think their is proof for aliens so obviously you'd find this hypothesis a bit hard to stomach. So let me just add a few things..

I realize that bugs can eat mice. Overall though, I would say science supports the idea of a mouse being a more complex creature than an ant. But that is not really the only point I'm trying to make. In fact the notion of bugs being able to do things equally as good as a mouse or even better is (again) central to my argument. Earlier in this thread I talked about why Type II aliens would be more suited to approach our awakening civilization than Type III aliens. Even though Type III aliens would have access to more energy, knowledge, capabilities, etc.

Okonomiyaki, how about if I choose another angle to try and frame this in your mind. Think in terms of the technological singularity. Many people believe in the possibility of this event before having to worry about "aliens." What they are gravely discounting is the age of our reality. Logically, the technological singularity already happened given the immense age of our galaxy. There is already a "super intelligence" out there whether you want to think of it in terms of super computers, aliens, or whatever. The singularity is not when machines overtake us. The super intelligence is already out there waiting. The singularity is us waking up out of our ego-centric acid trip through the process of acquiring knowledge via science. We are the machines Okonomiyaki. We are rising to intelligence as supported by historical fact. Again, there is no reason for mankind to be able to build a nuclear rocket. That is not required to kill a deer and feed your family or tribe. We have been set up by these beings. They have pitted us vs ourselves so that we could evolve the ability to understand anything at all. That is the whole point.

The reason the super intelligence hasn't destroyed us is because that makes zero sense. Every living thing evolving to intelligence in this galaxy would have to (be definition) go through the first civilization. The first one to survive their rough "childhood" and set up a galactic organization. And ALL civilizations come from the first primordial radiation that was present after the big bang. This is why they have such respect for the circle of life. Because they have their origins in similar places like Earth. For the same reason you don't kill your child for chewing with his/her mouth full or breaking an expensive vase after you told them not to touch it. They understand that we have ALOT to learn and it takes eons to learn and develop appropiately.

I'll leave you with this...

There are 3 possible solutions to Fermi's Paradox:

1) We are alone in the universe. A fluke lucky accident. If there is any other life at all in this universe it is likely bacteria, nothing too intelligent.
2) Civilizations are common but come and go. Perhaps, occasionally civilizations rise to our level or even beyond. Unfortunately they're always eliminated by natural causes or self-made ones (nuclear war, etc).
3) There is a galactic civilization but we have been so far been unable to discover it's existence.

I've made my choice. Make your choice.

reply to post by stealthyaroura

my only gripe is how do we take back the power from the "elite"
that clearly see only material possessions and control over us
that then will be one more step to getting closer to our
real place in the universe.
Do you think TPTB no this is our destiny but are so greedy &
they are trying to cling on to this pathetic way of life just because
all they care about is money and power?

Thanks man. I would guess that the elite powers of the world (USA, Russia, China) keep silent on this because all it would do is frighten the populations that they control.

Once we hit the singularity governments might collapse because there would be a humongous psychological shockwave felt around the world like never before by every individual on the most personal level imaginable. How things ultimately play out I'm not really certain.

Honestly though stealthy, I don't think aliens are here to talk about the weather. I would enjoy your freedom as long as it's available. You never know when some alien commie is gonna swoop in.

reply to post by Bhadhidar


THEY are here, among all of us. They have been, for the last six decades and beyond. They originally came to this planet looking, quite too beautiful, for us. They used some of our DNA and created more normal looking people. These people blended into our populations all over the world. They are everywhere.
Now, through the past decades, the agenda was and is, to slowly indoctrnate all the indigenous people of earth to the 'idea' of the existence of other species, from other areas of the universe, that they are here. When it is time, they will intervine, but in ways, we will 'think' it is from one of our own. And they have, by computers.
I agree with your theory that they are interested in our brains; indeed, we were used, or rather our reproduction cells were used, to create the rather bland looking beings, that look like us, so that they can keep an eye on us and also to produce devices for this long term indoctrnation. What better use of time and money for the 'coming out' by the aliens is by games. Our children play these games, everyday. They are use to the idea of ' space invasion' through playing and here we have conditioning. More later date.