Ex-top soldier: Iraq war 'fiasco' due to Rumsfeld's 'lies'

reply to post by KrypticCriminal

Oh people care alright!

About things that directly effect them, otherwise forget about it. We truely live in an age of "individualism"

yeah and its these arsewipes that have helped create this individualism.

If it was up to me. The best part of the Bush administration and Tony Blair would be getting shoved out a plane over the mountains of Afghanistan

and i would quite happily do the shoving. good post op

Originally posted by TrueAmerican


I mean WTF. The cops don't care. The military don't care. Big business don't care. The lawyers and the judges don't care. Do the oathkeepers care?

WHO TF CARES ANYMORE?

Bob Dylan doesnt care either.
Bob Dylan,"I used to care, but things have changed."
Watch the Video on Youtube.

What I am seeing is more and more people being prepared to speak out. This trend seems to be gaining momentum.

I share others' outrage and frustrations, about the lack of accountability, but I am starting to believe that will come.

Perhaps I am taking my wishes to be fact, but I seem to be sensing a growing body of people willing to challenge what has gone on, and what is going on. The system is so very corrupt, any action against these inept, psycopathic criminals right now would be blocked. It just wouldn't fly. However, it is seeming to me that the 'opposition' to the corruption and the lies is beginning to consolidate and perhaps starting to get some teeth.

I read somewhere a good while ago that the NWO would be brought down by millions of people taking action - large or small - in their own ways, which would eventually create the necessary weight to bring them down. Perhaps this is what is happening.

People like this, previously with high positions in the status quo, who then speak out are the very ones who will influence the wider public to understand and believe what many here on ATS and elsewhere already know.

There will be a tipping point where the informed outweigh the deluded, and perhaps that point isn't as far off as we believe in our darker moments.

Daily I practise sending light into the dark edificies and fortresses of the criminal elite, praying that more and more will be exposed. Millions are doing this.

I believe that our time will come, and there will be no 'immunity' for those who even as I write, are running increasingly scared.

ps. Soon, more from Wikileaks as well.

Forget the bloody revolution, it won't work. The power elites spend almost all their time trying to figure out ways to stop people from revolting. They come up with new weapons, like the sonic 'crowd control' ones,
etc.
Anyone that wants to fight will get killed. Its a nice myth, that we're going to overtake the government, but they spend all their time making sure that we won't.
During Katrina, the government confinscated 1000 weapons. Everyone complied. Some tried to resist, but got no where.
The only reason both the American revolutionary war, and the black and student protests of the 60s worked, is because the resistance came out of nowhere. The power elites where so suprised, they didn't know what to do.
That couldn't happen now, because they're ready for us. They've even got the 'We overcome the supreme assholes by uniting with the advanced one, leading to conquest by super-advanced aliens' angle covered. Its called project bluebeam. Using fake ufo's/ aliens. We're going to see that one now. Its unbelievable how many sheeple are seduced by that pile of b.s.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


The administration & the Congress "moved on"..."turned the page". And then, they jumped right up on the bandwagon & got their own licks in. FWIW, I think every signer of the PNAC document & every person included in the admin & the Congress should be held equally accountable. (& for every resulting step they took from PNAC on. That happened in 1998, so I include the Clinton administration with them)

I think our military (& esp the Oathkeepers) cares. I know for a fact that my local law enforcement, in general, cares. The people who aren't taken in, care. Our so called 4th estate doesn't give a flip.
As long as we have an administration in Washington who are colluding to carry this mission on or cover it up out of self interest or cowardice, nothing is going to happen. MAYbe if our military has enough & steps up.

I'd go for a constitutional convention over an armed revolution, but that's just me. I doubt that Nov 2nd will change this yet.

Rumsfeld also helped bring us viet nam... This is one personality which, once it passes out of phase, will be seen in the same light as previous tyrants

Let tyrants and liars laugh today
for tomorrow they may cower
in a hole of the earth
living in their own feces.

boon

reply to post by TrueAmerican


well im here the bush apologist!!!!!

so lets start.

1. retiring general writing his memories and promoting a book so he can cash in what sells better than bush hatred
2. the intelligence the us had was by the cia and that intel was echoed by every major intelligence agency in the world.
3. a ex soldier cashing in on the bush hatred
4. a ex soldier cashing in on the bush hatred
5. a ex soldier cashing in on the bush hatred.

you people are still letting yourselves be manipulated its funny.

what you have is one account of one guy saying whatever he wants and you people believe everysingle word he says and the others before him.

there are are no whistle blowers they are all trying to get their piece of the pie. that want money and you people are more than willing to part with it.


final thought an ex soldier preaching to the choir trying to make a buck off you people


ps vietnam was the legacy of john f kennedy and lyndon B johnson nice try to pass if off on ole "donnie"

reply to post by neo96


Apparently there are many more people pointing fingers at "rummy"

fromtheold.com...

blogs.abcnews.com...

www.time.com...

www.talkleft.com...

www.alternet.org...

I think Rumsfeld is a traitor directly responsible for the death of some of our bravest and finest military personnel as the result of invading a country on false pretenses that he full well knew were false.

Originally posted by whaaa
I think Rumsfeld is a traitor directly responsible for the death of some of our bravest and finest military personnel as the result of invading a country on false pretenses that he full well knew were false.

Well, it's not like Rummy's ALL bad. Just 99.9%....He was probably right about only one thing- that a missile hit the pentagon.

reply to post by whaaa


last time i checked you can not convict or charge any person in this country without due process

you can not charge or convict any person in this country without evidence that is deemed suitable under the definitions set forth described in law.

what you have is hearsay conjecture and biased opinions


what proof do you have? can you prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt the bush,cheney or rumsfield are guilty of anything.

can you prove the facts that support your case without linking to works of other people and im not talking about what you have read on the internet seen on tv im talking personal experience.

where you there in the room? at every step of the way?

if you were there then id listen to you and the other masses but since noone of you were there you have no ear from me but not really condsidering your biased nature agianst anything republican or right wing so that doesnt make you a suitable witness.

just saying man you can think everything you want but that doesnt mean i have to believe everything you say or anyone else says

Originally posted by neo96
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just saying man you can think everything you want but that doesnt mean i have to believe everything you say or anyone else says

edit on 24-10-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

It goes both ways man!
At least the people I believe, know how to use capital letters, punctuation, syntax and have enough honor and respect for their country to capitalize America.

God Bless America! Question Authority and Deny Ignorance...

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=9797207#pid9797207

reply to post by whaaa

At least the people I believe, know how to use capital letters, punctuation, syntax and have enough honor and respect for their country to capitalize America.

this is how you argue attempt to attack the person because of their typing attack someones intelligence because you dont like what they say pretty pathetic

shame you have problems with honoring and respecting people who you do not agree with.

Originally posted by neo96


shame you have problems with honoring and respecting people who you do not agree with.

I respect plenty of people I disagree with. I certainly don't respect those that parrot back Rush, Sean, Savage and Beck.

reply to post by whaaa


and just exactly what do i and beck,rush,sean,savage,beck and my typing skills have to do with

the ex soldier the good general shelton selling a book and trying to cash in on the bush hatred.


you hate right wingers i know it and we all know it but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


when you go personal like you just did its obvious that its nothing but a troll and hack attempt.

and since i have already addressed the topic as someone cashing in on a book deal and creating publicity to increase sales and his wallet i see no futher need to continue responding in this thread.

How can people who know about these outrageous lies before hand, which have caused thousands of lives, live with themselves? Don't these people have a conscience? It's a basic human right of every person to call out these people before atrocities like this affect the human population. Where was this top soldier before our young men were sent to Iraq to die? Following orders blindly when you know they're wrong, isn't serving the people of your country or the world.