Aliens Have Never Visited Earth! Alien Spacecraft Have Never Visited.

Originally posted by free_form
Who gave this thread stars? Seriously.

Isn't the premise of ATS to deny ignorance?

A 9 year old could come up with a better argument than the one OP presented. Making up numbers, pure opinion, 100% conjecture. I'm not one to call any random person on the internet a "disinfo agent.". but lol.

however he did not present any factual information

He would have to actually present information that was altered or deceptive to be one of us disinfo agents jk

However he presented no information or data i can work with, and what he posted is absurd and i doubt will sway anyone opinion. So if a disinfo agent not a very good one. Our educational institutions have failed IMO.

Funny how many people have an uncle Bob? I thought everyone had an uncle John?

Im going to have to ask why my parents why have they been hiding Uncle Bob all these years from me ?

I also noticed everything claimed by the OP is statistically at a 99%?

I think there is a 99% chance someones cat created this thread and put all those words together by accident. I have a hard time believing anyone with a functioning brain put this crap together.

reply to post by AtruthGuy


I dont belive u take into consideration the ammount of money and time that is spent by our government to cover up conspiracies,not just of alien matter but war terrorism and anything that will lead a mind to belive something while the focus of ur thoughts should be in another part of the country or world where much worse is happening.Im not baggin u bro just arguing the fact that theres cridible evidence all over the world scientific,and religious.Everyones heard the old saying "Just cause u cant see the wind does not mean that its not there" and this is true.However, when u throw some dust in to the mix of the wind it makes it more known that something is definatly there and working.Also u say that the government cant keep leaks from coming out.This is true but has it ever a struk you that they release bogus information on purpose to keep ur attention drawn away so they can spend more time at hand on covering more intense situations that they really dont want you to know about.I ts really hard to decipher the true from the false which is a great thing we have ATS to bring to light topics that can be debated and have forms of evidence to prove the innocent guilty and keep the guilty proven innocent

What the hell? What's with the alien/UFO threads with no actual proof of anything?

Come on!!!

Originally posted by AtruthGuy
1.)Common Sense
ROSWELL = TOTAL BS
You really think that a "Advanced Civilization" that has the ability to "star travel" would crash on a primitive planet, In a thunderstorm?? Do really think that an Advanced Spacecraft from another civilization is going to get shot down by 1948 Earthling Technology?
Since 1948 their has been NO Proof whatsoever of the Roswell Incident except, maybe some confused old people or people trying to sell a book.
You really think that US Government in 1948 is capable of keep a story such as a Crashed UFO and Alien Bodies secret from the citizen and media?

Doesn't common sense require one not to make assumptions and then debunk one's own strawman arguments?
1. Assumption One: Advanced civilizations are infallible
You've stated a premise that advanced civilizations are infallible or godlike. What is your basis for this idea? How many advanced intergalactic civilizations have you sampled to reach that conclusion? Oh that's right....none except perhaps our own. There's a 100% probability that an alien race is either perfect and incapable of making mistakes in both the design, construction, and operation of their technology OR they are not perfect, capable of making mistakes, and their technology and operators may have vulnerabilities or flaws. In my opinion, I would say it's more likely that they are capable of mistakes. After all, if they were gods, why would they need starships in the first place? Why not just snap their fingers to move about the universe? In addition, if they were perfect Gods, they would know everything, and what would be the purpose of space exploration?

2. Assumption Two: That the alleged alien spacecraft crashed as a result of a thunderstorm
Your evidence for this idea? Nothing. You've presented none. You have also failed to present the results of your systematic study on alien spacecrafts and their invulnerability to electromagnetic disturbances and high-voltage electricity. Please share your data. I would love to see it.

3. Assumption Three and Four: That it was shot down by the US military and all advanced aliens would anticipate hostile natives and design their ships to be immune from this threat because these aliens would have the same hostile psychological makeup as humans.

4. Assumption Five: Eyewitnesses whose testimony contradicts your own preconceptions are "confused" or lying. You might want to lobby for a constitutional amendment barring the use of eyewitness testimony in a trial. This testimony is used to convict and even execute people on a daily basis. The fact that you have disregarded testimony that you don't believe doesn't mean no proof exists. If I murder someone, burn my clothes, melt the gun, drop the body in acid, and ensure no witnesses live to tell the story, does that mean that no murder took place? In that scenario, there would be no evidence and no eyewitness testimony of the crime, making that murder even less likely, in your opinion, than Alien Contact, which you have stated is only supported by "confused" people's eyewitness testimony.

5. You state that it would be impossible to hide a UFO crash. It seems ironic that you and I are here discussing this topic explicitly because the government may not have been able to successfully cover up such a crash. Your premise is like saying, "If Dinosaurs actually existed, there would be fossils all over the world." HELLO - There are fossils all over the world!!!!

Here are other possibilities you failed to consider:
1. Pilot Error or incapacitation
2. Deliberate Crash for an infinite number of reasons, possibly to see how we would treat the occupants or utilize the technology of the ship or to destroy the ship so that it could not fall into enemy hands/
3. Mechanical Breakdown - complex machines typically have many different components, and the failure of any individual component might lead the demise of the machine as a whole. The ship may have been operated well beyond its manufacturers intended duration of operation or beyond designed capabilities. The ship may have been an untested prototype.
4. Lack of fuel
5. Unpredictable combination of variables that were not anticipated during the design and testing of the craft because one or more of those variables did not exist on the planet the device was built.
6. Shot down by an unknown third party with technology that equals or surpasses that of the aliens
7. Aliens did not expect our hostility or our atmospheric conditions
8. Aliens were not operating the craft even if it was of alien design
9. Sustained damage before getting to Earth caused by something else
10. Aliens faced with dilemma of crashing or harmlessly plowing through some form civilian or military aircraft and they chose to crash to save lives.
11. A million other reasons

Your logical reasoning skills are deeply flawed.

reply to post by AtruthGuy
soon you are gonna roll with your eyes boy

If aliens have never visited this planet, then please explain the "alien craft" in the Sumerian tablets, and in the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Please explain the South American Nazca Lines. Please explain "alien craft" and "spacemen" in cave drawings. Please explain why many claim that places like Stonehenge, and there are many of these, are stargates. I'll ask you to explain the thousands of UFO sightings, reports of alien abductions, and close encounters of the first, second, and third kind later on.

So what about the recent UFO conference held my former military personnel all stating that nuclear stations have been experiencing unknown phenomena and shutting down their nuclear weapons systems. Oh ok they are all delusional as well, and they have all been visited by uncle Bob, and what really shutdown and bypassed a highly secured military installation and shut their missiles down was a soviet weather balloon equipped with a brand knew state of the art high powered light-bulb (soviet version of a flashlight)

reply to post by AtruthGuy


Nice to see another ATS noob who can just barley make new threads make one that will obviously stir up other members and get attention.

Troll anyone?

Anyway, you cannot prove there is no ET visits happening on our planet nor disprove anything that anyone has said because word of mouth is impossible to prove.

I could say I'm an alien and you'd have no way of proving it either way. I could say my abilities make me able to produce blood results that show my DNA is the same as yours and you have no way to prove I'm an ET other than the words that come out my mouth.

Anyway, I'm not even going to bother continuing to write anymore because this thread is just dumb

I can't believe so many people have given stars and flags following this thread. I think the OP has made it quite clear he has no compelling evidence to substantiate any of his statements. It is simply common sense that WE ARE NOT ALONE in the universe, so why are we......

(a short pause)

I just realized.............we are wasting our time discussing this nonsense theory about being alone in the universe.

Let's move on shall we!

LoL judging by how the OP hasn't replied to ANY of the 20+ MASSIVE (counter) replies, the OP now has a second hole for excrement.

May the aliens who died at the roswell incident Rest in peace!

I am new here but I would like to introduce myself with this humble evidence of "alien" existence. Scroll down to see "my friends from the past" crash landing on the moon.

Enjoy. Oh and sorry OP for messing up your hollow arguments for non-alien presence in this part of the galaxy.

Alien-OneZero

www.viewzone2.com...

The trolling of the OP makes me think of this quote from Sagan...

‎"Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open
mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who
says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and
never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?" -Carl Edward Sagan

If you look a little further into the video footage available you will find some pretty compelling stuff. Look further my friend.

Hi OP,

Big and bold statement there friend.

However, you have backed it up with a big fat NOTHING!

Please post some fact to support your suggestions, otherwise, it is more rubbish in a heap of rubbish.

Originally posted by wigit
reply to post by AtruthGuy

 

I'd love to be there when your jaw drops to the floor.

lol, I think he [OP] is just trolling.
He can't be that simple....
can he?

OP you fail big time dude.

reply to post by AtruthGuy

What a bunch of lame comments, you disregard everything and throw all reason out with the wash. Labeling folks confused etc. to discredit them is how any shill would treat otherwise rational people.

I am a science teacher, pilot, trained paramedic etc. In other words rational and not confused.

1956 I lay back on a picnic table and watched a shiny disc go from horizon to horizon and yes I could see it was metallic and it went the distance in just a few minutes and due to the altitude it was large.

1958 Another craft with glowing front went over the farm at night.

1990,s Extremely large triangle hovered over our boat and key largo, very stealth and very slow at 1200 ft.

Also late 90's Two extremely bright craft hovered over fl. and were seen from coast to coast, they were so bright and large. When they left a shaft of light shown down and they blinked out, one at a time. Why I know they were coast to coast, video out of Ft.Myers and conversation from tug boat capt. whom was in the gulf stream opposite side of state at that time. Hell you would deny this as well if Hard Copy put it on you tube, which I haven;t found.

Lately three orbs over our little lake here in mi. Yep you are right, thousands of confused folks like us are hallucinating or seeing swamp gas.

Oh did I mention the one over lake Huron that was streaking over our boat at thousands of miles per hour, stopped, made a right turn and then went straight up. Get a life.

reply to post by AtruthGuy


Totaly typical
ok .. lets say aliens dont exist .. what do you beleive ??
do you think you have a soul ??
do you think animal have emotions and sentiments ??
do you think life in general was made out of thin air ??
do you beleive in faith ??

did you ever think that :
A little to FAR from the sun = makes the earth not liveable
A little to CLOSE to the sun = makes the earth not liveable
does it mean something to you ??

you have yet to learn .. maybe its because you have some personal problem with yourself
it always start .. in ourself

i can categorise you on the EMS .. but i wont say Cat 0 .. because there is no Cat 0
there is always a start with Cat 1 ... you only have that free will ..
rise up my friend .. THINK BIGGER NOT SMALLER
dont use your brain ... USE YOUR HEART

From deepthroat Intel source "No More Secrets" Case #00991

As given;

Advanced Superstructure Vehicle with space combat capabilities.

NORTHROP GRUMMAN SPERRY MARINE DIVISION

Subsource: DARPA MEMS Biofutures Program  ISIS class. TopSecret-


According to NMS, no congressional clearance. No POTUS clearance. Confirmed DoD/NSA clearance (Chairman T. Andersson and J.Cambell).

Originally approved classified Budget (as of 2002 DoD D. Rumsfeld/NSA J. Cambell) : . $ 2.16 Trillion, current cost aug. 2010 $ 4.56 Trillion . 12 vessels completed per spec. One lost in 2009 Moon recon mission.

Photo source;  Kentron IR

 This craft employing a combination of 21st Century technologies such as advanced stealth applications and advanced energy weapon delivery systems rather than old tube and ammunition laden amphibious landing crafts or land-sea crafts weapon systems. The long-range submersible aerial space vehicle is specifically designed for air, sea, and space combat capabilities that combines strategic advanced defense stealth and directed energy weapon delivery systems into an extremely large but highly maneuverable vessel. The enormous vessel / craft is believed secretly dry docked ( see photo above ) is believed inside a shuddered offshore facility near Hokaido, Japan. A close-up, of the original much larger photo, reveals several small-framed asian men wearing white laboratory coats beneath this large craft akin to what appeared in BattleStar Gallactica motion picture films. The super space submarine id believed to have remained secret for many years because development from private funding remains out of U.S. Congressional and POTUS purview. Who, other than NSA Teledesic Holdings Ltd. ( UK ), could finance building such a monster?



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Stay tuned. More disclosure is on the way.

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by AtruthGuy

 

Totaly typical

ok .. lets say aliens dont exist .. what do you beleive ??
do you think you have a soul ??
do you think animal have emotions and sentiments ??
do you think life in general was made out of thin air ??
do you beleive in faith ??

did you ever think that :
A little to FAR from the sun = makes the earth not liveable
A little to CLOSE to the sun = makes the earth not liveable
does it mean something to you ??

you have yet to learn .. maybe its because you have some personal problem with yourself
it always start .. in ourself

i can categorise you on the EMS .. but i wont say Cat 0 .. because there is no Cat 0

there is always a start with Cat 1 ... you only have that free will ..
rise up my friend .. THINK BIGGER NOT SMALLER
dont use your brain ... USE YOUR HEART

Once again read the OP. I never once said Alien are not real, I said I do not believe they are interacting with this planet.
- Not one person has showed me a picture of Mr. Alien.
- Not One Person has showed undebunkable picture of a alien space craft.
- Not one person has showed me undebunkable evidence of alien abduction.
- All people have referred me to is a bunch of "he say she say."

So despite all the "hate private messages" I have received Titled -
"Your a dumbass"
"I have the scars"
"Your a MIBDisagent"
"So startrek has it all wrong?"
"All time troll."

I will continue to believe what I feel.
I know a few of you are children, who want to believe things they have read and comic books, I know a few of you are a little mentally unstable. Just based on your own topics.

Hey continue to believe we are going to make contact every single month. I'm looking for forward to october 13th.
Then November 21st, Then January 20th these dates come and go every single year.

Continue to believe people are actually channeling aliens, or they themselves are aliens.


You say the "motto" of this site is "deny ignorance".
The Motto is quickly becoming "Accept Stupidity"

This probably will be my final post on this site.
But since you kids and people think youtube is a legit source I will announce that we plan to film a 10 minute video for youtube featuring posts in this topic, on what happens when you type something that the ufo wingnuts don't want to see....
Have a fun life waiting for those aliens to make an appearance.

And Remember "Accept Stupidity"...

reply to post by AtruthGuy

"Accept Stupidity"...

No thanks,
doesn't seem to be working to well for you.