Afghan Police Seize 22 Tons Of Explosives From Iran

Originally posted by Soshh
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

You say and assume that it's from the Iranian government. PROVE IT.

The Iranian markings, flags, language etc printed on the weapons and explosives are a big clue. There is also the fact that EFPs are very difficult to make and the only press in the region capable of producing them is in Iran.

These activities are not new, they started in Iraq and Afghanistan c. 2003 but Iranian weapons and explosives only started being discovered in significant numbers c. 2005.

edit on 6/10/10 by Soshh because: Bollocks-ed up the quote box thing.

So "markings, flags, language" are big clues?.. must be new, as of 07:

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said during a visit to Kabul yesterday that there was no evidence as yet that Tehran government officials are involved in shipping weapons to the country for use against U.S. and NATO forces. (June 5, 2007)

China sells "Iranians", govt? or arms dealers?, weapons with serial numbers removed, by request, "...to prevent tracing their origin." according to "new intelligence" reported by the Washington Times June 15, 2007.. assuming 4+ years more worth of business, could be these weapons might have been transported from Iran and re-branded as Iranian??.. part of a Chinese weapons supply line designed to "..prevent tracing their origin"?

According to the officials, the Iranians, in buying the arms, asked Chinese state-run suppliers to expedite the transfers and to remove serial numbers to prevent tracing their origin. China, for its part, offered to transport the weapons in order to prevent the weapons from being interdicted. Some arms were sent by aircraft directly from Chinese factories to Afghanistan and included large-caliber sniper rifles, millions of rounds of ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades and components for roadside bombs, as well as other small arms.

Two WT MSM articles below about China supplying the so called "enemy"..China is also profiting off loan interest to be paid with money taxed from YOUR hard work.. lol.. the GOP/DNC borrow Chinese money, then tax you... sending your money to pay Chinese interest.. while the Chinese also make $$ selling arms to Iranians, who arm the US troop killing Taliban.. lol..

So GOP/DNC leaders send tax dollars to the US military industrial complex to wage war, Taliban warlords not to attack US supplies to keep war going, AND the Chinese who arm the Taliban,.. who help keep the war going.. nice!!.. we're funding ALL sides!! lol.. but forget that junk, if the establishment funding the war blames Iran!, well?!.. nationalism says obey govt propaganda!!! poop with American pride on them dad gum Eye rains!

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Originally posted by govtflu
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said during a visit to Kabul yesterday that there was no evidence as yet that Tehran government officials are involved in shipping weapons to the country for use against U.S. and NATO forces. (June 5, 2007)

Look at the use of language; "Tehran government officials". You buy into the propaganda when it suits you, had that announcement said that there was evidence I'm sure you'd be hopping about and beating your chest.

I have already told you that Iranian activities were covered up until very recently and I have already told you that Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are responsible for shipping the munitions and other such operations, where do they get their orders from? Do you even know who they are?

Funny that you didn't address the EFP press issue, did you not about that either? This is pathetic, you haven’t a shred of knowledge of what you are trying to argue about.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Originally posted by Mobius1974
I would think that Iran would benefit from the Taliban being over run.

Are you being sarcastic?

Are you aware that the US almost has Iran completely surrounded?

No, I do not have access to the most basic maps and news stories. I was totally unaware of the most basic of information.. Google searching topics is reserved for only the most intelligent sceptics.. one of those, I am not!

F.Y.I - that was a healthy dose of sarcasm!


What part of that are you having a hard time with? Do you know the history between the Taliban and Iran? Are you under the impression that they are buddies?

So like I said before.. without one ounce of sarcasm.
I would think that Iran would benefit from the Taliban being over run.

Just to be clear, in case you decide to ask pointed questions.
1) No, that line is not sarcasm.
2) Yes I am serious
3) With all of the reasons to attack Iran.. Do you really believe that they are going to shove 20 tons of explosives down the peoples mouth, and we are going to throw ourselves at the "Iranian invasion" wagon?
Really? really? This is the thought process here?

Have you ever read anything that you DID believe? I love how all of these secret agents posted up here on ATS disect a story, and claim they have any clue as to what is really going on.

IMO - your giving yourself to much credit, and them not enough.

Originally posted by Doujutsu
Definetly propaganda to drum up support for an iranian invasion.

Sure sounds like it.

Is it just me, or when someone wants something bad enough doesn't a balck market open up?
pretty sure that their have been black market video games, black market ivory traders and black market weapons, you name it, when people really want something someone will find a way to get it to them.

even in the article itself it says:
"senior Afghan administration officials say they have no evidence against Iran."

Iran is no saint' they have their own agenda, if they wanted to get caught, they would have made it even more obvious, I personally believe it was just black marketeers cashing in.

So what.

How many tons of explosives has the US moved into Afghanistan and Iraq?

Any guesses?

Cheers
Shane

reply to post by Soshh


Just finished watching both episodes of Secret Iraq; fantastic documentary and I would recommend that anyone who has even the slightest interest in Iraqi and M.E. affairs must watch it.

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I'd like to discuss it in depth sometime but have no desire to derail this thread.

reply to post by Freeborn


I'm glad you enjoyed it mate, why not start a thread on the War on Terrorism forum? I'd get in on that and I think that documentary deserves a little more exposure than a couple of off-topic posts on one thread!

My only question is when did wahabi/sunnis decided to work with shias to deal with US?

I don't think people understand the religous difference between both sides, these sects have declared each other as 'non-believers' hence collaboration at that level is not possible.

Just a normal google search came up with:

The Afgahn mujahideen fighters who had previously defeated the communist government and formed the Islamic State of Afghanistan (ISA) came under attack and in 1996 lost the capital to the Taliban. At this juncture the mujahideen resorted to the creation of UIF because Abdul Rashid Dostum and other warlords who belonged to various groups but to no specific political party did not want to recognize the ISA as a legal entity, so the defeated government devised a military strategy to utilize these forces while not offending their political sensibilities. In October 1996 Ahmad Shah Massoud and Gen. Dostum came to an agreement in Khinjan to form the anti-Taliban coalition that outside Afghanistan became known as the "Northern Alliance". They vowed to set up a non-fundamentalist government in the nine northern provinces of Afghanistan under their control. Their pact was also signed by Karim Khalili, leader of the Shiite Hazaras in Afghanistan, whose forces controlled a 10th province. The presence of the Russian Consul General in Mazar-i-Sharif, Oleg Nevelayev, signaled diplomatic support from the Russian Federation. At that moment, the Taliban controlled all other provinces of Afghanistan, except a part of Parwan Province north of the capital Kabul that was held by Massoud's forces

Source

NEW YORK--Did American soldiers commit war crimes during the invasion of Afghanistan? According to eyewitnesses, U.S. Special Forces supervised--some say orchestrated--the systematic murder of more than 3,000 captured Taliban soldiers in November 2001. That charge is the centerpiece of a documentary film, "Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death," expected to be released in the United States within the next few weeks. "There has been a cover-up by the Pentagon," says Scottish director Jamie Doran, a former producer for the BBC. "They're hiding behind a wall of secrecy, hoping this story will go away--but it won't." Indeed, "Massacre" has already been shown on German television and to several European parliaments. The United Nations has promised an investigation. But thanks to a virtual media blackout, few Americans are aware that, on the eve of another war, their nation's reputation as a bastion of human rights is rapidly dissipating. American Involvement in Genocide? The allegations stem from the uprising at Qala-i-Jhangi fortress, a dramatic event that marked the last major confrontation between U.S.-backed forces of the Northern Alliance and the Taliban government. Several hundred prisoners, including "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh, revolted against their guards and seized a weapons cache. Responding to Special Forces soldiers working with the Northern Alliance, U.S. jets used bombs to kill most of the rebels, but not before CIA interrogator Johnny "Mike" Spann and an unknown number of Northern Alliance soldiers were shot to death.

Source

So to sum it all up in simple words;

Taliban = wahabi (saudi funded)

Northern Alliance = Shia (backed by Iran)

Iran is a threat to Saudi (US) oil fields hence the $60 bil fighter jet deal wth US.

So who was Iran exactly transporting the tons of explosives to?

Mullah Omar would love to blow up his Shia opponents first as NA was the main reason US managed to gain foothold in Afghanistan.

I think these sects should realise that they are being used to kill each other and US helping them doesn't mean it won't be their turn next LOL!

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Why would you rather accuse your government and it's security / intel services when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest their involvement than believe the evidence that suggests elements within Iran were involved?

The US is NOT responsible for all the world's ill's.

And you call yourself 'TrueAmerican'?

I think maybe because in the past.... well you know yourself that Israel and America have had their hands in many pies so to speak, so give the benefit of the doubt at least. TrueAmerican may just be voicing his suspicions, and to be honest..... So am I.

Not saying Iran aren't guilty, but i'm saying... who at this point really knows?

I don't need to remind you Freeborn of the recent cases of undercover agents masquerading as Europeans to assassinate one man. Nor need i remind you of the gulf war gas attacks, which may or may not have been blamed on other parties.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I'm not saying that US agencies or elements within them aren't responsible, just that there is no evidence to prove this as yet and that Iran also has a history of involving itself in the affairs of foreign countries.

I'm not naive or ignorant enough to believe that the US isn't capable of and still isn't actively involved in arming groups, underminding regimes or carrying out false flags etc but some people wish to blame the US for everything despite at times a lack of supportive evidence or even evidence to suggest someone else is responsible.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Not saying Iran aren't guilty, but i'm saying... who at this point really knows?

Are you referring to the OP or in general?

If the former I would agree with you, it is clear to me that there is an ongoing gradual disclosure of Iranian activities and relatively old information is starting to leak into the media. This finding may have been orchestrated to help it along, but something else to consider is that these explosives were found by Afghan police who are perhaps more prone to announcing the discovery as opposed to covering it up.

Coalition soldiers discover such munitions on a regular basis and do not need to set it up, but having said that, if a discovery by Coalition soldiers was announced then previous discoveries would surely leak and their cover-up would have to be justified.

There is no question that Iran is guilty of interference in Iraq and Afghanistan and the evidence for their involvement is absolutely damning.

Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by govtflu
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said during a visit to Kabul yesterday that there was no evidence as yet that Tehran government officials are involved in shipping weapons to the country for use against U.S. and NATO forces. (June 5, 2007)

Look at the use of language; "Tehran government officials". You buy into the propaganda when it suits you, had that announcement said that there was evidence I'm sure you'd be hopping about and beating your chest.

I have already told you that Iranian activities were covered up until very recently and I have already told you that Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are responsible for shipping the munitions and other such operations, where do they get their orders from? Do you even know who they are?

Funny that you didn't address the EFP press issue, did you not about that either? This is pathetic, you haven’t a shred of knowledge of what you are trying to argue about.

Chinese weapons used to kill/maim occupiers are purposefully left un-marked, there are at least 1/2 dozen articles to be found on the Google on this issue.. that some have Iranian markings is useless information absent forensic examination.

EFP?.. so?.. just another war widget to be bought & sold.

I have no doubt entrepreneur Iranian gun/weapons dealers are facilitating weapon sales to those fighting for freedom from America.. That some are Quds Force makes sense, they're in the death business and have the proper connections... probably Iranian govt officials, Charlie Wilson like, trying to make a buck too. That's what war is all about: making money.. American, Chinese, Afghan & Iranian elitists all have been making money off this profitable war... to single out and assign blame to the nation of "Iran" is silly. The average Iranian has as much to do with supplying arms to Afghanis as the average American does with arming Israel...

On top of that it's not in China or Irans (or Russians) interests to stop weapons from flowing into Afghanistan.. they're not friends who share common goals & interests, they're rivals. I'll bet at least a dozen govt officials from so called "allies" happily turn a blind eye massive weapons deals that facilitate killing US troops and are bleeding the empire broke.. they probably enjoy making money while watching the DC mafia sport a fat black eye bogged down in a hopeless money pit quagmire trying beat the undefeated at home Afghan-cong.

What is pathetic is GOP/DNC party leaders fund all sides to keep the conflict dollars flowing...this phony war is nothing but a giant business opportunity, can't expect Iranians to sit on the sidelines when there's money to be made inflicting a few of the 1000 paper cuts Uncle Sam is absorbing..

reply to post by govtflu


Munitions engineered and designed in Iran are not Chinese and they are not sold to militias, they are donated. Weapon smuggling is just one facet of Quds operations.

reply to post by Soshh

Then i'd quite like you to prove it to me, and not because i doubt you - but because i'm interested in the subject.

Thankyou.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I have written about the case of Ali Mussa Daqduq on page 2 and linked a very good documentary with some other information to save me from writing it. Regarding the documentary, I believe that you only have a few days left before it is removed from BBC iPlayer so I recommend having a look before it is taken down! If you've read/watched it but would like something else, then sure I don't mind at all.

Collated information from various HUMINT sources lead to a raid by the US Special Missions Unit Delta Force, on 11th January 2007. The target was the so-called "Iranian Liaison Office" (an unofficial embassy, basically) in the city of Irbil in northern Iraq. The sound of their Little Bird and Black Hawk helis had alerted those inside, and when Delta kicked the doors in, they were met by staff who were running around like headless chickens, stuffing documents into paper shredders and burning them. Some men were cutting off chunks of their hair in an attempt to alter their appearance.

When checked, every man inside had a fake ID card and several tested positive for handling explosives. 5 men were taken from the Irbil raid. When what few documents remained were examined and phone records analysed, links were drawn between the Iranians and elements of the Mehdi Army; a Shi'a militia group and Ansar al-Sunni; a Sunni jihadist group.

On 20th of January 2007, a raid was conducted against the Provincial Joint Coordination Centre in Kerbala by a team of men in black GMC SUVs, equipped with M4 assault rifles, flashbang grenades and wearing US Army uniforms. 5 Americans were killed in this raid. The manner of execution points to only two realistic possibilities; either it was a militia group, so-called "Special Groups" or "Secret Cells" equipped and trained by men such as Ali Mussa Daqduq, or it was Quds Force themselves. What is clear is that this was a reprisal for the Irbil raid 9 days before.

Because of religous affiliations its possible Iran could be the source either directly or through an indirect route.
The false flag scenario plays out but i think more weakly than the former.
An aside to this news is the huge log jam of ripe pickings stuck along the clogged supply routes now the Pakis have decided to get obstinate after we offed a couple more of their border guards from above......
Saw oodles of burning fuel trucks on last nites news...
On the other hand the general says its only less than one percent thats not getting through.
Things seem to be heating up on all fronts lately.
Is this maybe the slow buildup to the war on Iran?Or the last gasp of summer campaigning before the winter(predicted a bad one ) sets in?
I can see the US arming and training the Iraqi Kurds to take part with their PKK brothers in fifth column attacks within iran.
I can see the US supporting extremist groups within Iran of any stripe as long ass it was disruptive to the iranian govt.
Iran has every right to reply in kind.
After all we are at war arent we?

It's FOX News!


How is this story even debatable?


There's another 20,000+ propaganda articles just like this referencing Iran on their site.

"Bumping" for the Secret Iraq documentary.

Only available for 3 more days! Make sure that you watch it guys!

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