GPS Tracking Device found in Civilian car

Originally posted by harrytuttle
reply to post by abrowning

 

Actually, the best thing to do is get the police to "interfere" with this device for you. The best thing to do would be to CALL THE POLICE and report a suspected BOMB is attached to your car. After all, during this War on Terrorism, one can't be too careful.

Then call the media to make sure they are there to film the bomb squad, etc. This exposes the FBI's violation.

This also forces the police to admit that the device is actually a device owned by the FBI, and then your attorney files a court case against the FBI in federal court for violating your constitutional rights.

Never read stories about the bombsquad dealing with possible bombs in America?
They don't risk their lives with painstaking investigation. They clear the area, blow up the whole caboodle, and then look at it.
And when they find out why you rang them, you've not only lost your car, but you have a bill for their services.

reply to post by Kailassa


Good point. Better Idea:

1. Detach said GPS Device from car, leave in garage.
   
2. Drive to hobbie shop, pay for helium tank and massive amounts of balloons & string in CASH
   
3. Go home to garage
   
4. Proceed to fill up all the balloons and tie them together
   
5. Attach GPS Device to end of all strings
   
6. Release Balloons and GPS into the sky
   
7. Enjoy a good laugh as you know the FBI is now freaking out thinking you have been abducted by aliens
   

anybody out there know what spots these things are usually hidden in your car - like in the glove compartment, trunk, what? Seems like these places would be a little too obvious to me..

reply to post by harrytuttle

Yup, attach the darned thing to helium balloons. I'm going to remember that one.

And so you can find it first:

Where Can a GPS Be Hidden on a Car?

Open Sky
# Regardless of the type of the device that is being used the best place to hide the GPS tracking unit is an area that has a clear view of the sky. The inside rail of luggage racks or in the area of the rear tire mount are excellent places to hide the unit.
Inside the Vehicle
# Placing the GPS device inside the vehicle probably won't be as effective as placing it on the outside. Hiding the device in the glove box or the back speaker console are still good places to choose.
Position Matters
# Dashboards or parcel shelves (back shelf in the rear of the car) are good locations to hide the tracking device. Keep in mind that most GPS devices won't be able to track through metal, but they can read signals through glass and plastic.
Unusual Places
# Place the GPS device in plastic car bumpers, plastic first aid kits, near a sunroof or even in a tissue box in the back of a car. A GPS tracking device is best hidden in plain sight, where it has is a clear view of the sky while remaining unnoticed by a driver or passenger.

How to Find a GPS System Under a Car

1. Move the vehicle away from other cars and traffic. It should be at least 25 feet away from all electronic devices, including cell phones.
2. Power on the RF detector and leave it next to your vehicle. It will detect any signals sent by the GPS tracker on your car. GPS trackers give out signals every 20-30 minutes, so it may take some time before you hear any indicators given by your RF detector.
3. Lift up the car using your jack once you receive a signal that there is a working GPS tracker under the car.
4. Use your flashlight to search underneath. Look around the wheels, oil pan, boards, axles, and all crevices. Use a mirror to see in tight, small spaces. GPS trackers are small enough to fit almost anywhere under your vehicle.

Hey guys,

These look like bombs. If you find something that looks like these things under your car, call the police department, it might be a bomb with a detonator - don't take any chances.

We live in an age of terrorism and as an American citizen, you could be a target for terrorists; this is what my TV tells me daily.

Edit: I wonder if the bomb squad has a line to the people who do the illegal tracking. I sure hope so seeing as how they are placing something that looks like a bomb under people's car. Considering the work ($) this might create for each other, they probably don't. It would just make too much sense to have a line.

reply to post by Kirill

Isn't that what onstar does???or any gps system

Originally posted by davespanners
I'm not sure what you have to do in order to get yourself on an FBI watch list.
Does anyone know?

Yup.
Think for yourself and speak your mind..
2 huge 'nonos". lol

and besides,
anyone with any kind of navigation or onstar in their vehicles already has one of these.
and soon every new car that is made, will have it.
then comes the killswitches...
they push a button, you are locked in, and your car is "dead in the water"..
nothing left but to sit , locked in your own vehicle, and be subdued...

Oh wait~ onstar can do that to!

this technology is in many vehicles right now.

Should put it in a box and send it on a world tour by post.. Mess with their heads back..

Originally posted by Expat888
Should put it in a box and send it on a world tour by post.. Mess with their heads back..

or,
instead of attaching a camcorder to a weather balloon like those one guys did...
atttatch this hunk of junk to a nice cluster of heavy duty balloons and send them into the atmosphere...
i imagine that'd get'em wondering... lol

"uhh, Sir~ it is leaving earth! "

reply to post by Ahmose


Brill idea.. Would be priceless to see their expressions as the device floats away ... Or if in florida feed the device to a gator..

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


take seat stem out n plant tracker put seat back ,uk police have stung push bike thieves like this ;-)

If you're really concerned about this sort of thing:

www.chinavasion.com...

It can block cell phone signals too

Remember that strange GPS tracking device found by young man under his car? Turns out that the FBI rushed half a dozen agents to retrieve it after photos started appearing online.

so heres an update on the story as of today:

Afifi asked, "Are you the guys that put it there?" and the agent replied, "Yeah, I put it there." He told Afifi, "We're going to make this much more difficult for you if you don't cooperate."

FBI Gets Caught Tracking Man's Car, Wants Its GPS Device Back

Wired Article



Pretty ballsy of them i say. if you read the article they dont admit to tracking him because its "an ongoing investigation".

so what do you guys think? he already gave them the device back, but would you?

"We have all the information we needed," they told him. "You don't need to call your lawyer. Don't worry, you're boring."

reply to post by ghostryder21


Another one busted when the Government oversteps their legal bounds to do their jobs.

Quote from : Oil Change Reignites Debate Over GPS Trackers

SAN FRANCISCO – Yasir Afifi, a 20-year-old computer salesman and community college student, took his car in for an oil change earlier this month and his mechanic spotted an odd wire hanging from the undercarriage.

The wire was attached to a strange magnetic device that puzzled Afifi and the mechanic.

They freed it from the car and posted images of it online, asking for help in identifying it.

Two days later, FBI agents arrived at Afifi's Santa Clara apartment and demanded the return of their property — a global positioning system tracking device now at the center of a raging legal debate over privacy rights.

Sorry, there is a legal and correct means to do a job for Law Enforcement, and then there is this idiotic approach.

Unless serving a warrant, asking a citizen questions whether in regards to themselves or others, or to report for a 911 call, no one is allowed to violate the sanctity of a citizens private property, there are of course a few other exceptions, but very few, and as well they need to be LEGAL, as in the Government, whether F.B.I. or Law Enforcement, through policy, procedure, and protocol, and via a manner which is unquestionably ethical in regards to actual deterrent of criminal activities.

Especially when it comes to putting something on a citizens vehicle, home, or person, you cannot allow this type of infringement to happen because this is a complete, total, and heinous and extemporaneous violation of the 4th Amendment, unlawful search and seizure.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Fourth Amendment

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.

The amendment specifically also requires search and arrest warrants be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.

It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution.

Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.

In Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643 (1961), the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Supreme Court has also ruled that certain searches and seizures violated the Fourth Amendment even when a warrant was properly granted.

The unlawful search is covered under the usage of the G.P.S. device, searching for a citizens locale, and through this the lawyer this guy can hire, can also cite potential for tampering with his clients vehicle, whether it happened or not.

The unlawful seizure comes into play with the seizure of information which was obtained via the G.P.S. device.

A citizen has the right to not purchase a vehicle with G.P.S. or OnStar (same thing basically) and has the right to safety, the placement of this device is a direct violation of his safety, due to the placement upon his vehicle, whereupon the lawyer can tear into the F.B.I. about a potential for tampering within vehicle, again whether it happened or not, as well as that he is being legally tracked, in essence electronically stalking the citizen, through illegal means.

Sheepdogs vs. Wolves : Law Enforcement, Predators and Prey, and Love or Hate Cops...

ghostryder21, come on by the thread above, and introduce your thread there, and I will go more into depth about the illegality of it.

Originally posted by davespanners
I'm not sure what you have to do in order to get yourself on an FBI watch list.
Does anyone know?

Join ATS

-Update, about a year later-

It looks likes my prediction is about to come true:

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Soon they will be killing people with drone strikes in the USA.

And they will use these things to help them acquire the target.

Here it is - the drone story:

CONROE, Texas -- A Houston area law enforcement agency is prepared to launch an unmanned drone that could someday carry weapons, Local 2 Investigates reported Friday.

The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office in Conroe paid $300,000 in federal homeland security grant money and Friday it received the ShadowHawk unmanned helicopter made by Vanguard Defense Industries of Spring.

A laptop computer is used to control the 50-pound unmanned chopper, and a game-like console is used to aim and zoom a powerful camera and infrared heat-seeking device mounted on the front.

"To be in on the ground floor of this is pretty exciting for us here in Montgomery County," Sheriff Tommy Gage said.

He said the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) could be used in hunting criminals who are running from police or assessing a scene where SWAT team officers are facing an active shooter.

www.click2houston.com...

I also predicted that Americans would be 'riled up' when these drone. Look at the Occupy movements and massive joblessness - American have never been more riled up and they'll be even angrier once these drones are brought online

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by abrowning
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Using a drone to assassinate targets in the US would be absurd. It would cost to much, rile too many people up...

By the time drone strikes start, it would be safe to assume that people are already riled up - hence the drone strikes.

Edit:

My next prediction is that we will soon have flying taser drones hunting Americans down.