Israeli Soldiers Sexually Abuse Palestinian Children

I'm not so sure I believe this. As much as I believe the IDF and Zionist influences to mistreat and/or terrorize the Palestinians, I'm finding it hard to believe that they are molesting children, not to mention that there is no proof. In fact, it's baseless accusations like this, that make the Palestinian plight all the more desperate, as it hurts their genuine complaints.

I think some things are being exaggerated here. I have no dount that Palestinian children are being stripped searched at both check-points and detainment camps and accusations like that can quickly be turned into sexual molestation charges.


--airspoon

Originally posted by airspoon
I'm not so sure I believe this. As much as I believe the IDF and Zionist influences to mistreat and/or terrorize the Palestinians, I'm finding it hard to believe that they are molesting children, not to mention that there is no proof. In fact, it's baseless accusations like this, that make the Palestinian plight all the more desperate, as it hurts their genuine complaints.

I think some things are being exaggerated here. I have no dount that Palestinian children are being stripped searched at both check-points and detainment camps and accusations like that can quickly be turned into sexual molestation charges.


--airspoon

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It doesnt really matter what us think mate

please watch them...

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I understand what's happening in the region, but what do those videos have to do with children being molested by IDF soldiers?

--airspoon

Originally posted by airspoon
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I understand what's happening in the region, but what do those videos have to do with children being molested by IDF soldiers?

--airspoon

I was given a example of the way them people are treated like dirt to you,sexual assault is about power not sex

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Looks like in that first video those soldiers was doing their best to get that dog off of her and after words escorted her towards some help. The one soldier even put her arm around her.

Now since the video doesn't show what happened before that (like so many do), we can't really determine if the dog was set on her or went after her on its own. To me the dog doesn't look that well trained since the handlers couldn't get their own dog (if it was their dog) to stop attacking. One soldier even tried to kick the dog in the head.

The other video I'm not sure what to make of. A woman was accidently injured and was taken to the hospital by ambulance who was called by the soldiers. They apparently was looking for something, whether they found it or not wasn't determined and a hole was put in their wall.

Other then the woman being unintentionally injured I don't see anything that would keep this from trying to be suppressed. I don't know how true that claim is.

I would believe it for the simple fact that this stuff happens.

Reminds me of the Canadian Airborne, and the unsubstantiated claims of turture, which became substantiated, and ultimately led to the disbanding of the regiment. Shameful, but happens.

The unfortunate truth is, an army consists of a great number of people and you will get the same percentage of sickos as you would in the general population. Therefore, it is just a matter of time until something like this happens.

I'm certain that if this does become substantiated, the IDF will deal with it, and I would not be suprised if the punishments are harsh.

Originally posted by Becoming
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Looks like in that first video those soldiers was doing their best to get that dog off of her and after words escorted her towards some help. The one soldier even put her arm around her.

Now since the video doesn't show what happened before that (like so many do), we can't really determine if the dog was set on her or went after her on its own. To me the dog doesn't look that well trained since the handlers couldn't get their own dog (if it was their dog) to stop attacking. One soldier even tried to kick the dog in the head.

The other video I'm not sure what to make of. A woman was accidently injured and was taken to the hospital by ambulance who was called by the soldiers. They apparently was looking for something, whether they found it or not wasn't determined and a hole was put in their wall.

Other then the woman being unintentionally injured I don't see anything that would keep this from trying to be suppressed. I don't know how true that claim is.

Then why did Israel run amoke over it brains?? Im sitting with a israeli who knew it well before i opened my mouth

Originally posted by peck420
I would believe it for the simple fact that this stuff happens.

Reminds me of the Canadian Airborne, and the unsubstantiated claims of turture, which became substantiated, and ultimately led to the disbanding of the regiment. Shameful, but happens.

The unfortunate truth is, an army consists of a great number of people and you will get the same percentage of sickos as you would in the general population. Therefore, it is just a matter of time until something like this happens.

I'm certain that if this does become substantiated, the IDF will deal with it, and I would not be suprised if the punishments are harsh.

I sure hope so if its real buddy ,my god i have more jewish friends than any minority.The way everybody is flaming me you would swear in a nazi

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"Then why did Israel run amoke over it brains?? Im sitting with a israeli who knew it well before i opened my mouth"

I'm not sure I follow. Are you calling me brains? I assure you that while I am somewhat intelligent, that nickname should not be given to me.

I cannot begin to answer that question because I don't know why they thought it would need suppressed. You would have to ask them.

I do like how you didn't have a response for my thoughts on the first video.

But enough of the videos. Lets go back to your made up, I mean uncorroborated CNN report.

Originally posted by Becoming
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Looks like in that first video those soldiers was doing their best to get that dog off of her and after words escorted her towards some help. The one soldier even put her arm around her.

Now since the video doesn't show what happened before that (like so many do), we can't really determine if the dog was set on her or went after her on its own. To me the dog doesn't look that well trained since the handlers couldn't get their own dog (if it was their dog) to stop attacking. One soldier even tried to kick the dog in the head.

The other video I'm not sure what to make of. A woman was accidently injured and was taken to the hospital by ambulance who was called by the soldiers. They apparently was looking for something, whether they found it or not wasn't determined and a hole was put in their wall.

Other then the woman being unintentionally injured I don't see anything that would keep this from trying to be suppressed. I don't know how true that claim is.

no they set the dog on herand seen a camera,whats wrong selective blindness?? spa

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OH they SAW the camera, I wonder why the clip didn't show that part.

Since you saw the clip showing that part can you post it here so that the rest of us can see it?

Originally posted by Becoming
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OH they SAW the camera, I wonder why the clip didn't show that part.

Since you saw the clip showing that part can you post it here so that the rest of us can see it?

There tackle trained dogs I know that well ,well your yet to post a thread,you just troll so id like to see your content.

Originally posted by Becoming
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OH they SAW the camera, I wonder why the clip didn't show that part.

Since you saw the clip showing that part can you post it here so that the rest of us can see it?

Them dogs dont have lock jaw,what is keeping him?

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Are you serious?

Have you ever tried to get something away from a dog that doesn't want to let go? You want to talk about selective seeing, then lets talk about those soldiers doing everything other then shooting the animal to get it off. Its a good thing they didn't shoot the animal too. God forbid they did shoot it and the bullet kills the dog, goes through and kills the woman also.

You would be complaining about the woman being killed rather then having her hand bit.

I'm still waiting for the clip showing that they saw the camera as you claimed.

Originally posted by Becoming
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Are you serious?

Have you ever tried to get something away from a dog that doesn't want to let go? You want to talk about selective seeing, then lets talk about those soldiers doing everything other then shooting the animal to get it off. Its a good thing they didn't shoot the animal too. God forbid they did shoot it and the bullet kills the dog, goes through and kills the woman also.

You would be complaining about the woman being killed rather then having her hand bit.

I'm still waiting for the clip showing that they saw the camera as you claimed.

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no the women video you were so igorant over it,i didnt see the point in it. So you think they couldnt leave the childs wall after finding nothing!!! and the mother dying nice guy arent you.
yes i have trained dogs for years,thank you and breed them.
Have you ever seen a dog take that long to let go on cops?? no
you say they done everything but shoot them
did they even hit it? no! did they even try pry the jaws open? no
The soldier are on look out forthere lives!!! of course they sen it!!! you wouldnt make a soldier

This has been posted a few times before, the most recent was not long ago..

What everyone seems to be missing is that the words "sexually abuse" in the this article do not mean molest or rape, they are referring to claims by Palestinian boys that Israeli investigators "tried to" or "threatened to" use torture methods such as electrocuting the testicles, and inserting sticks up the anus, grabbing the testicles with force, etc.

There have been no claims of rape or molestation, the title only suggests that. Further more most of these kids claim the investigators only "tried' or "threatened them" with it, so there has been no actual abuse, and very few actually claim to have been abused in such a way.

As for the CNN report, the boy in the video wishes to remain anonymous, and so the incident couldn't even have been either verified, discredited or examined by the IDF in the report..

Lastly I'll ask all of you this- Why wouldn't a boy, that had just transferred information on someone in his village, make up a story to make it seem as though he was harder to break?

And, yes, there are no rapes in the Israeli army, pro Israelis say it's because it's the most moral army in the world, others say it's just a racist thing.

Originally posted by johnny c

Originally posted by Becoming
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Are you serious?

Have you ever tried to get something away from a dog that doesn't want to let go? You want to talk about selective seeing, then lets talk about those soldiers doing everything other then shooting the animal to get it off. Its a good thing they didn't shoot the animal too. God forbid they did shoot it and the bullet kills the dog, goes through and kills the woman also.

You would be complaining about the woman being killed rather then having her hand bit.

I'm still waiting for the clip showing that they saw the camera as you claimed.

edit on 1-10-2010 by Becoming because: (no reason given)

no the women video you were so igorant over it,i didnt see the point in it. So you think they couldnt leave the childs wall after finding nothing!!! and the mother dying

nice guy arent you.
yes i have trained dogs for years,thank you and breed them.
Have you ever seen a dog take that long to let go on cops?? no
you say they done everything but shoot them

did they even hit it? no! did they even try pry the jaws open? no
The soldier are on look out forthere lives!!! of course they sen it!!! you wouldnt make a soldier

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May I suggest using Google Translate? This is incoherent..

Hmmmm ok..

You do understand the origional intent of your post was to bring to light accusations of IDF membersa raping a child. You do understand that aside from the IDF, which has proesecuted their members for these types of incidents, Hamas, as well as other groups in the middle east are jsut as guilty of this insane stupidity?

Running an uncorroberated news piece is irrespnsible journalism and does nothing to help resolve the problem in the Middle East.

We can spend from now until eternity playing point counter point with posts, blogs, photos, first hand accounts, eyewitness accounts, vitim statements, court trnscripts etc etc.

The practice is Barbaric, on both sides. What makes it even worse, especially for the victims, is when the incident is used for political purposes that in the end, does nothing but continue to incite hatred and anger towards each other, which perpetuates the revenge missions, and keeps the cycle going.

The purpose of most of the media is not to bring these stories to light, but to keep the fight going so they have something to report on.

Who wants to talk about peace... Who wants to talk about Israeli soldiers helping Palestinian children by taking them to the Hospital to get them help because the parents were to afraid to take them. Who wants to talk about Palestinians assisting wounded Israeli soldiers, protecting them from angry mobs?

Peace does not get good ratings, or increase circulation.

Both sides are wrong, and any attempt to say otherwise is misinformed at best.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Hmmmm ok..

You do understand the origional intent of your post was to bring to light accusations of IDF membersa raping a child. You do understand that aside from the IDF, which has proesecuted their members for these types of incidents, Hamas, as well as other groups in the middle east are jsut as guilty of this insane stupidity?

Running an uncorroberated news piece is irrespnsible journalism and does nothing to help resolve the problem in the Middle East.

We can spend from now until eternity playing point counter point with posts, blogs, photos, first hand accounts, eyewitness accounts, vitim statements, court trnscripts etc etc.

The practice is Barbaric, on both sides. What makes it even worse, especially for the victims, is when the incident is used for political purposes that in the end, does nothing but continue to incite hatred and anger towards each other, which perpetuates the revenge missions, and keeps the cycle going.

The purpose of most of the media is not to bring these stories to light, but to keep the fight going so they have something to report on.

Who wants to talk about peace... Who wants to talk about Israeli soldiers helping Palestinian children by taking them to the Hospital to get them help because the parents were to afraid to take them. Who wants to talk about Palestinians assisting wounded Israeli soldiers, protecting them from angry mobs?

Peace does not get good ratings, or increase circulation.

Both sides are wrong, and any attempt to say otherwise is misinformed at best.

your right,i agree ,we just stopped the debate anyway! you couldnt be more right about revenge missions,im from Ireland. The home to the revenge mission.It gets you no where but a ticket in a turn for a bullet behind the ear.
thanks for your good common sense.

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Yeah, and the world turns a blind eye so as not to incur the rath of mighty Israel. For a country of only 7.5 million which has only been in existence for 63 years they sure get away with a lot of nonsense no other country could. They have made a mockery of International Law, their country is morally corrupt and their government a joke. Yet the world allows them to do as they wish without serious penalties.