Japan refuses to apologise to China

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

you are mistaken man its nothing about hate at all chinas history its communist history its the major source of concens that the majority of people are thinking about.

china is growing too fast and while people may be flocking to china they are adopting news ways and some of those ways will not be good.

every single country that exists as they are now didnt start out that way theres a clear evolution that accompanies every single nation in this world and as history has shown every single country at some point in their existence sought out into the rest of the world and its been economic investment,trade and by some form of military action.

theres not one person on this website that has any problem with the average chinese citizen what just have concerns of what the true intentions of china will become.

if china was a democracy there wouldnt be one person saying now at least thats the way i feel.

edit on 27-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

You are mistaken. I have seen alot of chinese hate on here. From racist remarks to "we should drop a bomb on them" I have no problem with China, and in my opinion, they have no ambition to start or have a war. All they care about is economic progress.

Yes, they want to show their militery might, like other countries do. Thats just a primitive part of the human race that won't go away. But will they go to war? not if they have too, and they don't have too. All this talk between Japnan and China has been going on for years, and that will not change, but its nothing. People are just going OTT.

Lets just see what happens. I will put all my money on nothing happening. China is a very proud race. They have been invaded by so many countries, and learn't things the hard way, like alot of countries.

But in truth, there are not many countires out there that has a culture so great, with so much history, and thats why i love China. I am more worried about the other problems we face, and i don't see china as one of them.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

you are mistaken man its nothing about hate at all chinas history its communist history its the major source of concens that the majority of people are thinking about.

china is growing too fast and while people may be flocking to china they are adopting news ways and some of those ways will not be good.

every single country that exists as they are now didnt start out that way theres a clear evolution that accompanies every single nation in this world and as history has shown every single country at some point in their existence sought out into the rest of the world and its been economic investment,trade and by some form of military action.

theres not one person on this website that has any problem with the average chinese citizen what just have concerns of what the true intentions of china will become.

if china was a democracy there wouldnt be one person saying now at least thats the way i feel.

edit on 27-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Its not one person that calls the shots in China

The president and premier of China is elected by the National People's Congress

en.wikipedia.org...'s_Congress

The NPC has a collection of functions and powers, including electing the President of the People's Republic of China and approving the appointment of the Premier of the State Council as well as approving the work reports of top officials. The constitution of the National People's Congress provides for most of its power to be exercised on a day-to-day basis by its Standing Committee.

Anything that the President or Premier does needs a majority vote of approval from Congress and the Congress can impeach the president at any time. To get on the peoples congress you have to win the elecetions at the lower level

The NPC consists of about 3,000 delegates. Delegates to the National People's Congress are elected for five-year terms via a multi-tiered representative electoral system. Delegates are elected by the provincial people's assemblies, who in turn are elected by lower level assemblies, and so on through a series of tiers to the local people's assemblies which are directly elected by the electorate.

China's system is just like most other democracies, the only difference is that there is only one party that you can vote for. So basically in the USA for example you would would have a election where only republicans can vote and they vote for who gets to represent the republican party in 2008 Mccain ran against Huckabee, Romney and Ron Paul. You can vote for different people but they are from the same party.

The reason that China is not considered a Democracy is that elections are not open, in other words the average person is not allowed to vote. Only members of the communist party can vote.

To gain membership in the communist party, NYTIMES has a very good guide on how to become a member of the CCP with the power to vote.

www.nytimes.com...

The Dictatorship of Talent

Let’s say you were born in China. You’re an only child. You have two parents and four grandparents doting on you. Sometimes they even call you a spoiled little emperor.

They instill in you the legacy of Confucianism, especially the values of hierarchy and hard work. They send you off to school. You learn that it takes phenomenal feats of memorization to learn the Chinese characters. You become shaped by China’s intense human capital policies.

You quickly understand what a visitor understands after dozens of conversations: that today’s China is a society obsessed with talent, and that the Chinese ruling elite recruits talent the way the N.B.A. does — rigorously, ruthless, in a completely elitist manner.

As you rise in school, you see that to get into an elite university, you need to ace the exams given at the end of your senior year. Chinese students have been taking exams like this for more than 1,000 years.

The exams don’t reward all mental skills. They reward the ability to work hard and memorize things. Your adolescence is oriented around those exams — the cram seminars, the hours of preparation.

Roughly nine million students take the tests each year. The top 1 percent will go to the elite universities. Some of the others will go to second-tier schools, at best. These unfortunates will find that, while their career prospects aren’t permanently foreclosed, the odds of great success are diminished. Suicide rates at these schools are high, as students come to feel they have failed their parents.

But you succeed. You ace the exams and get into Peking University. You treat your professors like gods and know that if you earn good grades you can join the Communist Party. Westerners think the Communist Party still has something to do with political ideology. You know there is no political philosophy in China except prosperity. The Communist Party is basically a gigantic Skull and Bones. It is one of the social networks its members use to build wealth together.

You are truly a golden child, because you succeed in university as well. You have a number of opportunities. You could get a job at an American multinational, learn capitalist skills and then come back and become an entrepreneur. But you decide to enter government service, which is less risky and gives you chances to get rich (under the table) and serve the nation.

In one sense, your choice doesn’t matter. Whether you are in business or government, you will be members of the same corpocracy. In the West, there are tensions between government and business elites. In China, these elites are part of the same social web, cooperating for mutual enrichment.

Your life is governed by the rules of the corpocracy. Teamwork is highly valued. There are no real ideological rivalries, but different social networks compete for power and wealth. And the system does reward talent. The wonderfully named Organization Department selects people who have proven their administrative competence. You work hard. You help administer provinces. You serve as an executive at state-owned enterprises in steel and communications. You rise quickly.

When you talk to Americans, you find that they have all these weird notions about Chinese communism. You try to tell them that China isn’t a communist country anymore. It’s got a different system: meritocratic paternalism. You joke: Imagine the Ivy League taking over the shell of the Communist Party and deciding not to change the name. Imagine the Harvard Alumni Association with an army.

This is a government of talents, you tell your American friends. It rules society the way a wise father rules the family. There is some consultation with citizens, but mostly members of the guardian class decide for themselves what will serve the greater good.

The meritocratic corpocracy absorbs rival power bases. Once it seemed that economic growth would create an independent middle class, but now it is clear that the affluent parts of society have been assimilated into the state/enterprise establishment. Once there were students lobbying for democracy, but now they are content with economic freedom and opportunity.

The corpocracy doesn’t stand still. Its members are quick to admit China’s weaknesses and quick to embrace modernizing reforms (so long as the reforms never challenge the political order).

Most of all, you believe, educated paternalism has delivered the goods. China is booming. Hundreds of millions rise out of poverty. There are malls in Shanghai richer than any American counterpart. Office towers shoot up, and the Audis clog the roads.

You feel pride in what the corpocracy has achieved and now expect it to lead China’s next stage of modernization — the transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. But in the back of your mind you wonder: Perhaps it’s simply impossible for a top-down memorization-based elite to organize a flexible, innovative information economy, no matter how brilliant its members are.

That’s a thought you don’t like to dwell on in the middle of the night.

The basic belief in China is that the power to vote needs to be earned and its not a god/government given right

reply to post by Jay-morris


No! i am not mistaken and as an american i have not ever on this site said anything remotely of what you have described. I have not made any comment bearing any resemblence to what you have said moreover as a responsible adult i am responsible for the things i say and i say alone i am not responsible for what others have said here.

seems to me here friend you are guilty of lumping every single american on this site as the people who you are vilifying.

i have never once called for the destruction of any chinese citizen more over i have not advocated any action taken agianst the chinese government.

my comments on here have merely just a concern and a concern is all it is theres not hate in that no matter how much you want it to be..

reply to post by Laurauk


yeah because china did so well in there last war with japan.........yeah there diffrent countries now but if japan gets militant i dont think they will allow china or even the usa to dicate there poilicys any more

reply to post by SLAYER69


yeah he was a fishing captian not navy good looking out,on a funnyer note if those damn canadians or russiasns kidnap the deadlyest catch crew its war!(totaly ment to be sarcastic)

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

No! i am not mistaken and as an american i have not ever on this site said anything remotely of what you have described. I have not made any comment bearing any resemblence to what you have said moreover as a responsible adult i am responsible for the things i say and i say alone i am not responsible for what others have said here.

seems to me here friend you are guilty of lumping every single american on this site as the people who you are vilifying.

i have never once called for the destruction of any chinese citizen more over i have not advocated any action taken agianst the chinese government.

my comments on here have merely just a concern and a concern is all it is theres not hate in that no matter how much you want it to be..

Not once did i say it was you. And how the hell can you say im lumping every single american on this site as the people who you are vilifying.lol. Not once have i said that! and i would never say that as i look at people as individuals and not as a nation!

Wow! im just speechlesswith your remarks! At least read my posts before you start making things up!

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by Laurauk

 

yeah because china did so well in there last war with japan.........yeah there diffrent countries now but if japan gets militant i dont think they will allow china or even the usa to dicate there poilicys any more

HHmm! If Japan went to war with China today, it would be a completly different story to the last war. Japan were brutal, killing millions of Chinese people, while China had hardly any help for the most past of the war. China's army was not great, but they held great resistance to to Japanese, and never gave up.

When you look at the history of that war, and what the japanese done to the Chinese people, you can understand why there is bad blood.

But i still feel that nothing will come of this. Like my wife said (who is Chinese) they have been doing this for years. Also, both countries know they have too much to lose.

Originally posted by Jay-morris
HHmm! If Japan went to war with China today, it would be a completly different story to the last war. Japan were brutal, killing millions of Chinese people, while China had hardly any help for the most past of the war. China's army was not great, but they held great resistance to to Japanese, and never gave up.

Well that's a pretty Myopic view of things. Reference the Flying Tigers etc.

This is about An apology. Not fighting WWII all over again

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Jay-morris
HHmm! If Japan went to war with China today, it would be a completly different story to the last war. Japan were brutal, killing millions of Chinese people, while China had hardly any help for the most past of the war. China's army was not great, but they held great resistance to to Japanese, and never gave up.

Well that's a pretty Myopic view of things. Reference the Flying Tigers etc.

This is about An apology. Not fighting WWII all over again

HHmmm! ok