2012 Equation Solved -- Pane "Astral Walker" Andov

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie

To dismiss crop circles as being 100% manmade is absurd.

What are people dismissing exactly.
No other non human cause for crop circles have been shown in the history of crop circles, ever. So what are people dismissing exactly?

There are documented cases of very complex crop circles forming in 15 minutes.

Show me the documentary of a crop circle forming in 15 minutes.

With sightings of orbs in the area when this happens. No footprints in or out even on rainy days.

With tales of orbs.
If you actually research this topic, you will find the Orb story originating from two specific individuals. Charles Mallet and Gary King. Both have/had businesses involving and dependent on crop circles, funnily enough.

Also it seems the nodes are effected by some sort of radiation or EM energy which, if I remember correctly elongates the nodes.

Crops typically have up to six or seven nodes.
You will not see multiple node elongation in any crop circles, only one node. Look at BLT and Crop Circle researcher.
Think about it. Step back from the claim, for a minute, and apply logic.
If an EM field is effecting the entire area of the CC, then every node on the plant should be elongated. You will not find any evidence, ever, in crop circle history that shows universal node elongation for the entire field. Just specific images of single node elongations and this is typical of phototropism or gravitropism from flattening plants.

There is 16th and/or 17th century artwork of crop circles. At the time it was thought dancing elves or the devil created them.

There is one. The field was cut, not flattened. ITS CALLED THE MOWING DEVIL.

I'm sure a large % are faked, but most times these can easily be distinguished from the real crop circles by their inferior design and quality.

Do tell.

I don't have time to 'source' these data points right now. But this can easily be done.

There are no sources that validate crop circles in any scientific journals.
There are no sources that distinguish the cause of crop circles by complexity in design alone. None. But luckily we can show a trend in complexity of design over time. Starting out simple and leading to greater complexity. That is typical of humans though and I doubt you would appreciate that incite.
But, you can look for your self.
Crop Circle Connector or other sites have a pictorial history that can be studied.
You will see trends in both design and content.

And also I"m pretty sure there have been crop circles that point to 2012 by depicting the position of the planets in that year and then showing some sort of message.

I am pretty sure there have been crop circles advertising other things as well.

Someone please source these datapoints for the skeptics as references for everything above should be very easy to find.

I have already. Years and years of sourcing, discussing, reading material relating to this subject.

Originally posted by stereologist
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You are simply a scoffer. I have seen it in your posts. You admit to being a die hard scoffer.

This message is off topic and is against manners and decorum !!!

What is wrong with being a scoffer. It is not the same as being a skeptic. Scoffers can be both those that scoff the scientific position as well as those that scoff the non-scientific position.

Haven't you openly denied the scientific position and propose instead that how someone feels about a subject is more important than an objective viewpoint?

Consider the claims that Sgr*A blew up. I looked into them. I didn't see anything on that issue. I did see a lot of material on the subject, some of which I had read before. As a skeptic I do not automatically scoff at the claims made by Pane. Instead, I take a long look over the material to see what seeds of truth might be in the claims. I couldn't find anything other than the existence of this object named Sgr*A.

Scoffers on the other hand wouldn't bother to look up anything at all and simply scream hoax. They even make things up such as claiming that the moon has an effect on people. They scoff at the scientific principles that avoid the mistakes of using case studies. They even scoff at statistical methods. They have been known to scoff at the evidence that the average human menstrual cycle is not the same length as the full moon to full moon cycle.

Scoffing can be found in all points of view, be it the scientific point of view or the nonscientific point of view. It is a way that people handle information.

From the free dictionary:
definition of scoff

To mock at or treat with derision.

Many of my posts have been scoffed. It's happened before. It has happened in this thread. I expect it to happen again.

I have tried to bring evidence to the table to show that crop circles are human made and that Pane and his claims are not scientific. Another poster has done a far better job of that than I.

Mate, stop embarrassing yourself.

Re: our world is not changing drastically. O really?

Try to tell those people that our world is not changing.

Pakistan

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Mexico

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Japan

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Italy

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Should I go on? The list has no end, but if you think that I will play ping-pong with you all day you are fooling yourself.

If my previous post was not enough for you...than I do not see a point to go any further…I think any further conversations will be a waste of time.

We live in different realities mate, the difference I understand yours but you will never understand mine.

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Still I hope that you will understand this and that you will change. If not, only that I can say is "I feel sorry for you mate".

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Peace

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You think natural disasters are something new?
What's new is youtube. Newspapers have been around for a while longer.
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Flooding in Pakistan. How strange.
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1954
Aug 23, 1954 - States. Some 10 million persons were hit by the raging Brahma Putra river floods , which inundated al most 20.000 square miles of Pakistan's most fertile land. The United States public health service already has sent top disas ter experts to the area to comba the danger of epidemics, . ...
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1955
Sep 7, 1955 - KARACHI, Pakistan, Sept. 6 (AP) --Two towns ol the Indus River; Valley, Matiari and Halla, were evacuated today as floods continued to sweep vast areas of the country. A third town. Thatta. is already surrounded by Indus waters and arrangements are being made to evacuate at a moment s ...
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1963
Jul 13, 1963 - DACCA, Pakistan At least three hundred persons have been killed and thousands ren dered homeless by floods due to monsoon rains in the area of East Pakistan, according to officials. The city of Chittagong is on tho bay of Bengal, 120 miles south east of Dacca. About 3.000 square miles ...
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1965
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1970
Nov 19, 1970 - DACCA, East Pakistan (UPI)-Tons of relief sup- plies arrived here Wed- nesday but only a 'trickle reached hungry and home- less survivors of the cy- clone- tidal wave disaster that took a huge death toll along the Bay of Bengal. The stricken area, 60 miles from Dacca, ...
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1971
Aug 24, 1971 - RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — Heavy flooding over a wide area of East Pakistan is increasing the threat of famine in a region already devastated by five months of civil war and the cyclone that destroyed crops and took more than 400,1)00 lives last November. The government reported that the ...
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1973
Aug 17, 1973 - ISLAMABAD, Pakistan ( ) - A foreign office spokesman said today that the death toll from the floods now inundating the Punjab state of Pakistan is "certainly in the hundreds" and may pass the 1000 mark. Floods following unusually heavy monsoon rains have hit India, Pakistan and ...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Ultimate Passenger

 

You think natural disasters are something new?
What's new is youtube. Newspapers have been around for a while longer.
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I think you and stereologist are consuming too much fluoride.

Try avoiding it for a while, things will look different.

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Cheers

reply to post by Ultimate Passenger

I don't live in California and my water is not fluoridated.

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Floods happen all of the time. There are many floods every year. There are all sorts of disasters all of the time. So far all you are doing is managing to point out that disasters continue to happen. That does not demonstrate in any way that there has been a drastic change. It simply shows the same old, same old.

If you wanted to show that more people are being affected by disasters I'd agree. The population of the Earth is increasing quickly and it would certainly be expected that more people are in harm's way. I'd also expect population pressures to force people into more dangerous areas. People move into flood zones that were once avoided. Population pressures also damage the ecosystem so that it no longer absorbs water and prevents or limits flooding. These are man made problems.

Consider Bangladesh. I was looking for the size of the population that lives with 2 meters of sea level. A quick search found this:

Bangladesh

Although altitudes up to 105 meters above sea level occur in the northern part of the plain, most elevations are less than 10 meters above sea level; elevations decrease in the coastal south, where the terrain is generally at sea level. With such low elevations and numerous rivers, water--and concomitant flooding--is a predominant physical feature. About 10,000 square kilometers of the total area of Bangladesh is covered with water, and larger areas are routinely flooded during the monsoon season.

Bangladesh with the 8th largest population in the world is poised for a major disaster each time a typhoon hits the country. The rapid population growth is the cause of the disasters that hit the country.

Floods in Bangladesh

Each year in Bangladesh about 26,000 km2, (around 18%) of the country is flooded, so far killing over 5000 people and destroying 7 million homes. During severe floods the affected area may exceed 75% of the country, as was seen in 1998. This volume is 95% of the total annual inflow. By comparison only about 187,000 million m3, of streamflow is generated by rainfall inside the country during the same period. The floods have caused devastation in Bangladesh throughout history, especially during the years 1966, 1987, and 1988. The 2007 South Asian floods also affected a large portion of Bangladesh.

Flood disasters strike Bangladesh repeatedly because it is a large flat area that receives copies amounts of water and has a dense population.

Originally posted by Ultimate Passenger
Mate, stop embarrassing yourself.

Thats coming from a guy who quote mines a 2012 forum.

Re: our world is not changing drastically. O really?

Do you know what drastic even means?

acting rapidly or violently
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: extreme in effect or action : severe

Climate change has been a progressive trend in small incremental temperature rises.

Try to tell those people that our world is not changing.

No one here denies that climate change is happening.
People on here just don't think it has anything to do with Crop Circles and Panes "special friends".
It seems you do!

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Should I go on? The list has no end, but if you think that I will play ping-pong with you all day you are fooling yourself.

You could go on all day listing natural disasters from weather. In fact, you could keep going for days on end, right back to the bible, which details a big flood too!

Please explain what natural disaster have to do with crop circles and 2012 considering they have been on going for the entire history of the planet.
Also, how have you factored in the fact that human populations have grown exponentially, resulting in humans being more effected by weather simply due to our presence in numbers. Have you considered that extreme weather has always been a significant factor in our climate, but we are simply getting in its way alot more often now that there are 6 billion of us.
Also, Climate scientists have predicted many of the weather changes we are seeing. Larger regional down pours, increased flooding, drought etc, due to anthropogenic global effects.
What do you say about the fact that science agencies around the globe have been predicting these for decades, without crop circles or "special friends" like Pane.

If my previous post was not enough for you

What do you mean "your" previous posts? Hardly any of it was yours, but a cut and paste job from a 2012 forum.

...than I do not see a point to go any further…I think any further conversations will be a waste of time.

You haven't engaged in a conversation as far as I can tell, because you don't consider the points raised by others.
It seems you are simply here to regurgitate Panes doctrine and dogma. ATS is not a church mate.

We live in different realities mate, the difference I understand yours but you will never understand mine.

Dude, you can't even grasp the basics of what Pane uses and nor have you been able to identify the way he abuses the material in order to create his mythical narrative. You have failed to demonstrate any practical reasoning as to why Pane is correct other then to say that he "resonates" with you, followed by pasting material on masse.
So don't preach on about your imagined superiority when it comes to the nature of any one persons reality, the only reality it appears you have a grasp on is the one spoon fed to you from forums and youtube videos.

Still I hope that you will understand this and that you will change. If not, only that I can say is "I feel sorry for you mate".

Thats the only thing you can say, because it seems most of the thinking you do is regurgitating Pane from forums and Youtube.

Peace

I find you pronouncements of peace rather absurd considering all you can posts videos, and Panes assertions of "drastic" climate shift of destruction, death, and doom.



I would appreciate it if you would cast aside your insecurities and converse with an answer to this post.
reply to post by atlasastro

Grow up...Or should I say better - Wake Up!

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Two possibilities:

1. You are brainwashed, victim of the matrix and an idiot.

2. You are paid by the government agencies to debunk and to distract the truth to get out.


In any case you are not going to be successful because people are not stupid.

2012 is real, climate shift is real, Sgr A explosion is real, released energy is spreading towards the corners of the galaxy, it’s almost here – detected ribbon and finally Pane's friends that make crop circles are real.

Climate changes are due our passage of the galactic plane…exposure to the densest part of the Milky Way and approaching electro-magnetic energy that is disturbing our sun through what was called ribbon.

Estimate time of start of extreme climate changes - March/April 2011. Possible Pole Shift June 2012 when Earth is between the huge celestial object passing close to Pluto and our Sun. Two gravitational forces influence Earth in the same time…

You are waste of time and our exchange just ended permanently.

Living your plane of existence

Originally posted by Ultimate Passenger
Grow up...Or should I say better - Wake Up!

Awwww. Someone just spat the dummy.

Two possibilities:

Is that all you can think off. How poor.

1. You are brainwashed, victim of the matrix and an idiot.

No, I don't post on Panes 2012 forum.

2. You are paid by the government agencies to debunk and to distract the truth to get out.

Do you really think the Government would waste time on You or Pane. What an Ego.

I do this for free. Unfortunately, your accusation that I am attempting to distract people from getting the truth out is flawed.
The major flaw being that there is no real truth to what Pane is saying. Logically then, it is impossible for me to distract anyone from any truth in what Pane is claiming when there is no truth actually in it.

In any case you are not going to be successful because people are not stupid.

People are not stupid, you are right. They will read these posts and see you avoiding all criticisms and the questions raised relating to Panes assertions and claims.

2012 is real

2012 is not real, it is the year following 2011 and has not eventuated yet because we are in 2010.

climate shift is real,

Yes it is, its called climate change, you should try reading some journals or books some time. They are not as exciting as a 2012 forum packed with "Special friends" and "doom and Gloom", but they are informative.

Sgr A explosion is real, released energy is spreading towards the corners of the galaxy, it’s almost here – detected ribbon and finally Pane's friends that make crop circles are real.

Do you really believe that a supermassive black hole exploded? Do you even know how much energy in thought to be contained within Sagittarius A?

Estimate time of start of extreme climate changes - March/April 2011. Possible Pole Shift June 2012 when Earth is between the huge celestial object passing close to Pluto and our Sun. Two gravitational forces influence Earth in the same time…

O.K.
See you back here then.

You are waste of time and our exchange just ended permanently.

Wow, that was easy.
I thought you said this before.

2. You are paid by the government agencies to debunk and to distract the truth to get out.

In any case you are not going to be successful because people are not stupid.

I was pretty successful. But it was not me. It was my questions, wasn't it.
You can't answer them.

Living your plane of existence

I call it reality.

Estimate time of start of extreme climate changes - March/April 2011. Possible Pole Shift June 2012 when Earth is between the huge celestial object passing close to Pluto and our Sun. Two gravitational forces influence Earth in the same time…

It is well established that pole shifts have not happened in 200My.
Apparent and true polar wander and the geometry of the geomagnetic field over the last 200 Myr

Combined paleomagnetic, isotopic, and stratigraphic evidence for true polar wander from the Neoproterozoic Akademikerbreen Group, Svalbard, Norway

There is a disputed event from 84Ma. That is how real science works. Ideas are proposed and they are discussed and the evidence is checked and rechecked.
Late Cretaceous True Polar Wander: Not So Fast

Pole shifts are called TPWs, or true polar wanderings, in the literature. That is where you can start to learn about these events that take millions of years to transpire. The best established event is from 800Ma. You should read about this event and learn what the climate was like back then.

As far as the ridiculous claim that there is a large object entering the solar system you might want to read these articles.
Constraining the Orbits of Planet X and Nemesis

Where Are You Hiding Planet X, Dr. Brown?

PROJECT PAN-STARRS AND THE OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM

After reading these you would learn that gravitational and whole sky surveys limit the proximity of new planet sized and larger objects in the solar system. To summarize the articles, no new planet sized object can exist in our solar system and have an orbit that enters the orbits of the known planets. A Jupiter sized object would have to be out at least 2100AU. That's more than 50X the distance to Pluto.

I read the book, and I liked it. Good information.

Thank you OP.

Originally posted by cybernetic_dude
I read the book, and I liked it. Good information.

Thank you OP.

I read it too, thanks.

Keep an open mind and don't let the distractors lead you too far off.

No one really knows what will happen, if anything, but I think it's best to know all the possibilities.

CU

Keeping an open mind means accepting the evidence. The evidence overwhelming shows that this is nonsense.

Originally posted by stereologist
Keeping an open mind means accepting the evidence. The evidence overwhelming shows that this is nonsense.

Congratulations with your opinions.
Sure it made YOU happy !!

reply to post by GeosAlien


Opinions? That's a laughable commentary.

So far we, that's myself and others with even better evidence, have shown that most if not all of the failed claims are poppycock. Do I need to review all of the failed claims? Probably I do, but here are some:
1. crop circle nonsense
2. polar shift nonsense
3. exploding Sgr*A nonsense
4. earthquake nonsense
5. planetary alignment nonsense

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by GeosAlien

 

Opinions? That's a laughable commentary.

So far we, that's myself and others with even better evidence, have shown that most if not all of the failed claims are poppycock. Do I need to review all of the failed claims? Probably I do, but here are some:
1. crop circle nonsense
2. polar shift nonsense
3. exploding Sgr*A nonsense
4. earthquake nonsense
5. planetary alignment nonsense

When you are ready with your laughing.....
I am very amused about your statements....
Your "evidence" is a ONE way, with eye-blinds for the unexplainable.
You think you can debunk all, but unfortunately you can't convince all.
Your explanations are done in ONE mind-set. ... that is .... ALL NONSENSE.
Have fun and enjoy your scepticism.

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So your response to all of the evidence against is to tell us that you are not convinced?

I'm sorry, but that is not evidence for or against.

You simply have nothing to support your point of view. just because the evidence is completely lopsided against your claims is true. You admit it by stating it is a one way issue.

Had there been any evidence to post you would have done that. You didn't.

One of the issues speak of is mind set. The mind set apparent here is those that hang on to untenable positions despite the overwhelming evidence. That is a mindset called a closed mind.