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Originally posted by atlasastro
The irony of your statements will surely be wasted upon you.
2012, as an enigma, is only possible because of the knowledge science has given us.
Without science, you would not even know were traversing the galactic plane.
Without that, the calenders and the crop circles would seem meaningless.
Without Science, you would not even know DNA exists, and that evolution or stages in human development are possible from a mutation in DNA.
DNA crop circles would mean nothing to us, without this.
I could keep going, but it would be a waste of time.
It is science, and scientific knowledge, that makes all of what Pane suggest as being possible or plausible to you.
Pane just inserts religion and mysticism.
Welcome to the new church.
Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie
To dismiss crop circles as being 100% manmade is absurd. There are documented cases of very complex crop circles forming in 15 minutes. With sightings of orbs in the area when this happens. No footprints in or out even on rainy days.
Also it seems the nodes are effected by some sort of radiation or EM energy which, if I remember correctly elongates the nodes.
There is 16th and/or 17th century artwork of crop circles. At the time it was thought dancing elves or the devil created them.
I'm sure a large % are faked, but most times these can easily be distinguished from the real crop circles by their inferior design and quality.
I don't have time to 'source' these data points right now. But this can easily be done.
And also I"m pretty sure there have been crop circles that point to 2012 by depicting the position of the planets in that year and then showing some sort of message.
Someone please source these datapoints for the skeptics as references for everything above should be very easy to find.
I'm sure a large % are faked, but most times these can easily be distinguished from the real crop circles by their inferior design and quality.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by wakeUpOrDie
The claim is that the changes appear to follow an inverse square law and therefore the question is whether or not the changes are due to EM
The claims of very complex crop circles forming in 15 minutes happened when and where and who reported it? I have asked this repeatedly and have never received an answer. So far I have to assume that this is a falsehood since no one can do better than repeat this yarn.
EM energy does drop off 1/d^2 but what does this have to do with its effects on the crops? I didn't see anyone claim the inverse square law had anything to do with EM for ex microwaves effects on the crops
You are absolute correct, but again it is a waste of time to argue with hardcore sceptics about this. They all know it better and try to boldly make statements, to prove they are right.
The most notorious example of an interaction between lights and circles no doubt occurred in 1996, with the infamous Olivers Castle video footage, filmed on August 11. The video was allegedly shot by John Whaley (some sources write his name as Wheyleigh), who claimed to have witnessed the lights in the early morning hours, whose appearance and display was seen as being responsible for the creation of a crop circle formation. If genuine, the footage would be seen as the Holy Grail of cerealogy.
Unfortunately, in truth, John Whaley was John Wabe, who was co-partner of First Cut studios, a post production studio located in Bristol, which supplied video post services and animation to professional media productions. In this instance, it were crop circle researchers themselves, and Peter Sorensen in specific, who tracked down the real story of what had happened.
In short, the circle had been created by a team of which Wabe was a member; Wabe was the person responsible for filming the creation. As soon as the work was done, the team left the circle to be discovered, whereas he raced back to his studio, to add the lights and the shaky effect – the latter part of a video editing package the studio had just received. He then raced back, to show his “amateur film” to an assembly of crop circle researchers in one of their favourite hangouts. For months, the video made audiences gasp in astonishment, before, as mentioned, the truth was finally learned.
Originally posted by Ultimate Passenger
I think Pane handles science much better then you do. In fact I resonate with most of what he is saying.
The changes are hapening everywhere in our solar system especially with our Sun.
April 15, 2010
The world’s combined global land and ocean surface temperature made last month the warmest March on record, according to NOAA.
Taken separately, average ocean ............Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January – March period on record.
The monthly National Climatic Data Center analysis, ..........informed decisions.
A. Global Temperature Highlights – March 2010
•The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for March 2010 was the warmest on record at 56.3°F (13.5°C), which is 1.39°F (0.77°C) above the 20th century average of 54.9°F (12.7°C).
•The worldwide ocean surface temperature was the highest for any March on record --1.01°F (0.56°C) above the 20th century average of 60.7°F (15.9°C).
•Separately,..............Mexico, northern Australia, western Alaska and the southeastern United States.
2010 Set to Become the Hottest Year On Record
www.earthweek.com...
This year is unfolding......... Canada, Alaska, the eastern United States, Australia, South Asia, northern Africa and northern Russia.”
B. Snow in Brazil, below zero in the River Plate,
tropical fish frozen
5 Aug 10 - For a second day running it snowed in Southern Brazil and in twelve of Argentina’s 24 provinces including parts of Buenos Aires.
In Argentina the phenomenon......Maximum temps ranged from zero to 7C.
Power consumption set new records in both Argentina and Uruguay, and hundreds of industries suffered blackouts.
.......... promising to send drinking water in municipal trucks.
See entire article:
en.mercopress.com...
C. Ice Island Four Times Bigger than Manhattan Breaks from Greenland
Press release August 7, 2010:
Two days ago, an "ice island" four times larger than Manhattan broke away from a Greenland glacier and is heading for the Nares Strait, and could reach the Atlantic Ocean within two years.
The ice island calved.......he freshwater stored in this ice island could keep the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years. It could also keep all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days."
D. BREAKING NEWS: Sun's Strange Behavior Baffles Astronomers
By Space.com Jun 15, 2010 - 12:11:18 PM
www.earthchangesmedia.com...
The Sun's out of sync
In a different approach, Sushanta Tripathy of the National Solar Observatory used the frequencies of acoustic oscillations to look for signatures of changes in the solar activity cycle.
Tripathy found that changes in acoustic frequencies were, for the most part, in phase with solar activity. But, during the extended minimum, he noticed that the frequencies of waves that cover a large portion of the solar interior became out of sync with solar activity.
Wow.
Tripathy found that changes in acoustic frequencies were, for the most part, in phase with solar activity.
"We find that the frequencies of sound waves that travel to the deep interior show an early minimum during late 2007, while the waves that are confined to near the surface show the signature of minimum in late 2008, nearly coinciding with solar activity minimum."
The two seismic lulls detected using acoustic oscillation have not been seen before in previous cycles, said Tripathy, leading researchers to conclude that the extended minimum between cycles 23 and 24 is quite unusual.
E. Volcano, Iceland .. Facts and Figures
I have never seen all air trafic of Europe taken down for three days in my life. Never.
www.allvoices.com...
This is one vulcano. What happens if climate shifts further and that scenario becomes every day life?
First of all, IBEX shows a ribbon of energetic neutral atoms entering our heliosphere, this happens all the time, whilst mapping the heliosphere for the FIRST time it shows a particular trend not expected. It is not a tear or an opening. It is a pattern of energetic neutral atoms indicating the nature of space outside our heliosphere.
From the opening or the Ribbon if you will, huge amounts of cosmic rays are entering our system.
"For the first time, we're sticking our heads out of the sun's atmosphere and beginning to really understand our place in the galaxy," said David J. McComas, IBEX principal investigator and assistant vice president of the Space Science and Engineering Division at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. "The IBEX results are truly remarkable, with a narrow ribbon of bright details or emissions not resembling any of the current theoretical models of this region."
NASA released the sky map image Oct. 15 in conjunction with publication of the findings in the journal Science. The IBEX data were complemented and extended by information collected using an imaging instrument sensor on NASA's Cassini spacecraft. Cassini has been observing Saturn, its moons and rings since the spacecraft entered the planet's orbit in 2004.
None of it good. Its called radiation poisoning and causes death. Its another reason why astronauts wear protective suits.
Of course it is well known that cosmic rays can cause mutation of RNA and DNA.
Straw man argument. We know highly organized and intelligent people and groups make crop circles.
About the crop circles >> Drunk people do not have knowledge in astro-physics and cosmic laws of nature. The hoax crop circles exist but also the genuine one.
Hundred of reports, but in 30 years, no one has thought to photograph or video one.
Military does not waste fuel to chace balls of light for nothing. There are more than hundreds reports during the last two decades of helicopters chasing balls of light that influence the crop field and materilize certain geometrical patterns.
Claims, nothing but claims.
A major cover-up is in force at least two decades and most of the people fall for that deception.
Who said they need to understand it in order to make a circle. None of the material in crop circles is unknown to man kind. All the imagery, maths, geometry all known to man, all these concepts that are in crop circles are human in nature.
About the crop circles, the so called artists do not understand cosmic environment and astro-physics. So the hoax exist but also the genuine phenomenon exist.
If you were to consider the thousands of reports on big foot, the Lochness monster, jesus appearing and ghosts haunting houses we would believe just about anything.
Military does not send helicopters and jets to intercept balls of light above the fields of England for nothing. They fallow their movement on radar. In other words, the fuel for military helicopters is not cheep if you consider that there are more than a hundred reports of black helicopters and jets chasing balls of light and ufos.
I know. So show me the peer reviewed material published.
www.examiner.com...
Many PhD people had study the crop circle phenomenon with great interest.
I have friends that know him too. They say he is a fraud.
I have a friend who knows Pane personally. He is saying that Pane is an unusual person and has some unusual properties.
Lets make a bet. I bet Pane has no Idea what he is talking about and is selectively cherry picking science in order to make his tale seem credible and plausible. This would make Pane wrong, and You with him.
So, some science is wrong. I wonder whose?
In my opinion, Pane is correct...things are happening and the logic points that things are going to progress towards the direction that he is saying...or should I say better towards the direction that his "friends from above" are pointing.
Cheers,
Scott
or should I say better towards the direction that his "friends from above" are pointing.