Demonic Possession and the Nature of Time

Hi all, I have some very interesting info about possession and how the non-linear nature of time fits in with this whole topic.

It's channeled info that I received a year ago and I have read it out on you tube here: www.youtube.com...

There are themes in it I've heard about before, elsewhere, but there is a lot of good info in the videos. More people need to be made aware of this info.

Please let me know what you think of them.

Watching a few of 'em right now, and checking out your accompanying website as well. I'll let you know what I think when I've seen enough to make a valid contribution.

~ Wandering Scribe

Could someone of the Christian persuasion please enlighten me a bit on Demon Possession? Simply put, why is it only devout Christians and Catholics are the only ones that get possessed? I have never heard of a Wiccan, or a Buddhist, Taoist, or any other religious type getting possessed. And please, save the "you are the demon, or you worship a demon" comments, I Know better.

reply to post by autowrench


Hinduism is rife with demons that can possess a person (causing sickness), ruin vegetation and crops, unsettle homes, haunt descendants of unhappily killed ancestors, and more.

Shinto and Japan are so rife with demons and their weird capabilities that there used to be a website called the Baku Project which attempted to categorize and explain them all. Shinto is rife with demons with possession capability.

Even Buddhism has demons. Mara (unskillfulness), Tanha (desire), Raga (lust), and Arati (aversion) just to name a few.

While the OP seems to go for a Christian sense of possession, the act of possession, and daemonic activity is hardly Christian in origin and nature.

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by autowrench


All religions have demons, they are simply not called demons in most non Christian religions. Most all religions also have a Satan figure and Hell of some type, again though they are known by different names then the traditional Christian ones.

Buddhism = Mara
Hinduism = Asura
Islam = Jinn

Many religions simply refer to them as evil spirits, and have traditions in how to deal with them. For Example, the practice of wearing black at a funeral comes from various ancient traditions related to making the living invisible to the dead to prevent the dead from attaching themselves to the living person.

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


Yes, you're right about how all the major religions have the idea of "demons" but just call them different names. But I'd like to clarify that I'm not actually talking about the "Christian version" of possession. There's no such thing as a "Christian version" of possession. It would be much like saying that there is a "Newtonian version" of gravity just because he is the most recent person in history to (re)discover gravity...do u see where I'm coming from?

What I mean is that gravity exists regardless of whether Isaac Newton, Homer Simpson or the Seven Dwarfs discovered it first. The same goes for Demons. These entities exist. They existed LONG before Christianity. All the Religions, many philosophers and, more recently, the extremely mistaken Psychiatrists have tried to tackle the problem of "demons". If u watch all the videos, u'll see that I get into the Psychiatric connection. Basically the point is that Mental Illness=Possession; it's only a matter of degree. But Psychiatrists have taken out the Spiritual equation from their "science", which is why they never go anywhere but deeper down into the quicksand (with their patients following them). Also the fact that the Illuminati can artificially create MPD in people (see Cathy O'Brien, Svali, etc) ties in with all this. This is very vital info that the West desperately needs to be woken up to. I received these automatic writings from out of nowhere, without consciously pursuing them, so it was clearly meant to be for this info to get out...

...monster-mummies-of-japan ...

The previous posters information has been very accurate and interesting.

The OP, nice website, i'm having a look around, but i'll get to the video later.

S+F, looking forward to seeing others comments.

reply to post by harryhaller


Thanks about website. It's perpetually "under construction" unfortunately. Sorry

Maybe I need to pay someone to finish it for me

And I (the OP) was also the "previous poster" btw. So...thanks again.

The harsh reality is that info of this sort needs to become mainstream soon, or else (pardon the french) our society is fu**ed basically!

reply to post by TheNewAeon2012


Unfortunately, I think we will have to agree to disagree on the assumption that there have always been demons plaguing mankind right alongside our spiritual quest for purity and perfection. The term demon is etymologically tied to the word daimon, suggesting the shadow-self of a human being. Which in truth, whether from the Greek philosophical point of view (daimos), or the Jungian psychological perspective (shadow-self) is not necessarily a bad thing.

The demon (daimon, daemon, daimos, etc) is a natural part of our psychological and spiritual make-up. Just as we have a Higher Self connecting to matters of Holy Perfection and Purity, we also all possess a Lower Self connected to matters of Holy Carnality and Egoism. Denying one for the other is akin to severing half of who you are. True perfection is about the balancing of both halves: the God and the Devil inside all of us. Dualism, light and dark, the composition composing all of us.

This does not mean that I discount the existence of negative beings though. Lilitu, Lilith, Apep, the Rakshasa, the Acheri, and to some extent the non-vedic Asura, and the new-age interpretation of the Vanir are all in my opinion very real beings living upon the planes of Yetzirah, Briah, or Atziluth. They can most likely interact with humans on the Assiah plane via spiritual and psychological intrusion as well. But they are not demons, they are not evil, and they aren't beings to be feared, vanquished, and destroyed. They are the balances, a duality to keep the cosmos in check.

Order rising out of Entropy is the astronomical cosmology. Apsu (fresh water - life) and Tiamat (salt water - death) is the Mesopotamian cosmology. From the Nu (swirling chaos) rises Atum by self-progeny (I think therefore I am) is one Egyptian cosmology. Horus the savior and bringer of the light (the day) and his rival Set the bringer of storms and darkness (the night) constantly quarreling for control of the world is a duality between light and dark found in Egypt. In Greek mythology Persephone represents innocence and the Spring, and Hades and the Underworld represent corruption, and the winter. This vegetation mythology also has a dualism representation of life/death, spring/winter, male/female, and many more.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that there are no possessing beings, no evil beings, and no negative/lower astral at all. There are only balances being maintained—sometimes through trickery and violence—for the sake of cosmological continuity. The only place darkness, evil, and possession exist is within our own psyche. And it only takes on a negative "demonic" manifestation when we are too afraid to face and conquer our Shadow Self.

That is just my opinion, supported by my own research, experiences, and the study of others before me. Everyone is alloted their own opinions on all things. Unfortunately, I feel we must agree to disagree on the nature of evil, demons, and the negative spectrum of lower astral beings.

Take care, and may you find your way.

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by TheNewAeon2012


My experience with possession has been varied quite broadly.

I have seen a man deep in a possessive state where he began to emit a stink, a smell so bad it was thick with the feeling of death/dread. He crawled about as if he was Gollum from lord of the rings. When I asked his name (already knowing his name was James) He scowled at me and hissed "My Name is LEEEGg-g-g-G-GION!"

He proceeded to roll around on the floor, slapping himself, screaming, hitting the floor until he was restrained.

All we did was sit with him and within a few hours, he adopted the demeanor of a hurt child, asking why constantly and wanting to play. Towards the end of the night the stink had lessened and he had reverted back to his normal self with no memory of what he had done.

Was this a possession? I have talked to many practictioners about this, some say absolutely it was a demon others say it was a reflection of his primal self. Perhaps though he had become the vessel for the suffering of the unexpressed suffering of many similar experiences of human beings.

His healing is my healing.

The human race has the potential to create monsters and angels and I think they have the ability to interact with us on various levels from intuitions to complete embodiments.

Let us be aware of and be careful of confusing our own creations with demonic/angelic otherworld forces

Anyone ever consider the correlation between the "Flight or Fight Response" and possession?

Your subconscious is very capable of taking control of your body in times of danger or stress. It can't have you freezing in fear while standing in the middle of a fire, can it now? Could it be that possession is some prolonged variation of a natural biological function? It could follow that the ability of the subconscious to commandeer the body is some sort of supernatural AND biological trait (or maybe it's solely biological, and the supernatural theme is just a misinterpretation.)

If you're outside in the cold, your body starts to shiver in an effort to warm itself up. You didn't decide to start shivering, something else did. Same goes for your heartbeat. Your heart doesn't beat because you wanted it to, it beats because there's something else in your brain making it beat.

Or how about when you get goosebumps or your hairs stand on end? You didn't decide to make this happen, something in your brain made those goosebump rise and those hairs stand on end.

Hold your hand over a fire, and your body will immediately pull your hand away. It isn't "you" pulling your hand away (not consciously, anyway).

Ever wake up from a dream and find yourself talking the very last sentence from your dream?

If you're standing among a group of people, and this group takes off running in fear, chances are you'll start running too. Did you decide to start running, or did your body decide to start running?

Couldn't all of these be considered a form of possession, in a way? Until I see someone floating in mid-air or their head spinning 360, I'm going to avoid thinking of it in terms of angels and demons. Aliens...now that's a different story.

reply to post by xiphias


Being attacked in your dreams, waking up and visually seeing an entity is much different then getting goosebumps or shivering in the cold.

You are correct that a very large percentage of "Possessions" are either something going on within an individual personally and mentally. Very rarely does a conscious being from the Otherworld openly target and make contact with humans of this plane of existence. (In my experience)

There are so many different forms of paranormal phenom's that we need to be clear with what they all are.

Sometimes possessions are confused with localized projections (House Haunting) where a visual is replayed over and over again, it is part of the house, land, or relates to an object, I've never seen it to a person.

Poltergeists as well are not possessions.

My recent knowing of what a "Demon" could be is a collection of negative energy from multiple human beings. Imagine the compounded energy of 2,000,000 lustful, hateful, or vengeful human beings that gets expressed and collects together and forms for instance "A demon of lust".

I beleive that these "Demons" are in a way conscious, but only in a manner in which they seek to fulfill what they are, an expression of lust. So when I witness a man suddenly overcome by inexplicable rage, anger, fury it is very possible that a human made demon has entered his body to be expressed, perhaps hurt others or maybe just to expend its own energy through a human body?

We live in a world where our expression of emotion is not proper, where does it go when we whisper it or curse it into the world, it doesnt vanish...It is energy that we have created and expressed.

Like attracts like - That is my explanation of how a common demon is created.

Here is a visual example. Something to think about next time you are angry or bitter at what you might help create. But in the same way, I believe we create angels when we express positive emotions as well.

Originally posted by Gradius MaximusBeing attacked in your dreams, waking up and visually seeing an entity is much different then getting goosebumps or shivering in the cold.

I know, but on some level it seems "possession" can be grouped into any number of events where a person isn't consciously in control of their body or parts of the body. I'm not saying the paranormal explanation should necessarily be ignored, because on some level, some of these events almost do seem paranormal in a way (ie, when your body takes over in an attempt to save your life.)

I just wonder if "demonic possession" is perhaps the same Flight or Fight Response mechanism gone haywire, or even being manipulated for spiritual purposes.

Poltergeists as well are not possessions.

This, on the other hand, is something that can't be easily classified. I actually know a pretty believable woman who says she has encountered poltergeists, and even showed me something that is just beyond explanation: a house next to a graveyard with a bed that would begin to shake violently at the same time each day and night. Freaky, I actually won't go anywhere near this house.

Originally posted by xiphias
Anyone ever consider the correlation between the "Flight or Fight Response" and possession?

Your subconscious is very capable of taking control of your body in times of danger or stress. It can't have you freezing in fear while standing in the middle of a fire, can it now? Could it be that possession is some prolonged variation of a natural biological function? It could follow that the ability of the subconscious to commandeer the body is some sort of supernatural AND biological trait (or maybe it's solely biological, and the supernatural theme is just a misinterpretation.)

If you're outside in the cold, your body starts to shiver in an effort to warm itself up. You didn't decide to start shivering, something else did. Same goes for your heartbeat. Your heart doesn't beat because you wanted it to, it beats because there's something else in your brain making it beat.

Or how about when you get goosebumps or your hairs stand on end? You didn't decide to make this happen, something in your brain made those goosebump rise and those hairs stand on end.

Hold your hand over a fire, and your body will immediately pull your hand away. It isn't "you" pulling your hand away (not consciously, anyway).

Ever wake up from a dream and find yourself talking the very last sentence from your dream?

If you're standing among a group of people, and this group takes off running in fear, chances are you'll start running too. Did you decide to start running, or did your body decide to start running?

Couldn't all of these be considered a form of possession, in a way? Until I see someone floating in mid-air or their head spinning 360, I'm going to avoid thinking of it in terms of angels and demons. Aliens...now that's a different story.

edit on 25-9-2010 by xiphias because: (no reason given)

You are close. However what i explain in the vids is that there is a "spiritual counterpart" to the subconscious. This is the missing ingredient that confuses fools like Psychiatrists, for instance, or just people that generally discount the spiritual element in all of this. This "fight or flight" part of our Mind is also called the "reptilian brain" btw.

I don't mean to be preachy...but please watch all the vids, first, and u will see that all of this stuff is explained in them. I posted the videos to inform people on this vital subject. Having to explain things on the posts here, is pointless. The info is already on the vids guys.

Enjoy.