Pakistan: Muslims burn Christian man as policeman rapes his wife

Pakistan: Muslims burn Christian man as policeman rapes his wife

I pray this type of idiocy does not come to the West

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie
I pray this type of idiocy does not come to the West

We had it, but we lost it. It was called the Inquisition.

Exactly. I have always said that the Christian religion is about 500 years ahead of Islam. They learned their lessons.

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie
I pray this type of idiocy does not come to the West

We had it, but we lost it. It was called the Inquisition.

It's storys like these that give credence to atheist's like myself,and show's how barbaric these faiths are even in this day and age.

Originally posted by snapperski
It's storys like these that give credence to atheist's like myself,and show's how barbaric these faiths are even in this day and age.

This story doesn't give any credence to being athiest at all... nice try though...

No, what this is, is abuse of religion by a dangerous zealot plain and simple...

The Christian faith teaches love and forgivness, not rape and murder.. If someone does those things, it just shows that this person has perverted himself through his own evil choices and then he excuses it all by inwardly or outwardly shifting the responsibility of his actions on to his religion, but in reality his religion is not about murder and forced conversions of people.. He has only tried to make it this way to excuse his actions ...

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If the Christian faith teaches love and forgivness why has it cause so much death and destruction throughout the years?
Why not love and forgive instead of burn and murder like they have in the past?

Granted, they have changed a little over the years, but they still try to spread their ideals like a plague to every corner of the world.

Originally posted by ShadowLink
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If the Christian faith teaches love and forgivness why has it cause so much death and destruction throughout the years?
Why not love and forgive instead of burn and murder like they have in the past?

Granted, they have changed a little over the years, but they still try to spread their ideals like a plague to every corner of the world.

You're kind of highjacking the thread by pushing the subject of historical Christian brutality, while in fact the subject is contemporary Muslim brutality.

The Christian doctrine that comes out of the New Testament is fundamentally peaceful, non-violent and self-sacrificing, and has in some aspects more in common with buddhism and hinduism than judaism. You ask why Christianity often have been violent and brutal, it's almost as if you ask us about the folly of man, and why people appropriate themselves ideas and dogmas they're unable to live up to.

Kings, Popes and warlords have used Christianity for whatever served their purpose. It's not the doctrine's fault. If a murder has been committed by firearm, do you blame the gun or the person that fired it?

Islam is somewhat different though. It has a built in warrior code glorifying war in the name of Islam, in the sense that Islam will prevail, by sword if necessary. This was probably an access in the 7th century Arabic tribal society it grew from, but today it is an obstacle to establishing Islam as peaceful, responsible religion that respects and co-exists with other religions on a global scale.

Originally posted by Heliocentric
You're kind of highjacking the thread by pushing the subject of historical Christian brutality, while in fact the subject is contemporary Muslim brutality.

I don't see anything particularly Islamic about this brutality, it looks fairly equal opportunity. It looks more like idiots in a corrupt state.

The Christian doctrine that comes out of the New Testament is fundamentally peaceful, non-violent and self-sacrificing, and has in some aspects more in common with buddhism and hinduism than judaism.

Except when it doesn't
Since I don't have the time to individually quote all of the portions of the New Testament that contradict your statements, how about I just link you to a website that's done all of that for me?

Cruelty and Violence
Intolerance
Injustice

And then there's the fact that the majority of the Christian holy book is NOT the New Testament. Or the fact that the New Testament has a problem with women. Or there's also that part where Jesus explicitly accepts the entire Old Testament as entirely valid

You ask why Christianity often have been violent and brutal, it's almost as if you ask us about the folly of man, and why people appropriate themselves ideas and dogmas they're unable to live up to.

Just like any religion. Islam and Christianity are both horrible things to live by even though they both have good ideals involved. The Islamic focus on charity and care for those who cannot care for themselves is one of their pillars of faith, yet we never hear about it from the fundamentalists.

Kings, Popes and warlords have used Christianity for whatever served their purpose. It's not the doctrine's fault. If a murder has been committed by firearm, do you blame the gun or the person that fired it?

Mixed metaphor much? Christianity is a religion that teaches several things that allow for violence to occur.
1: The superiority of its followers.
2: Vicarious redemption, you don't have to actually do anything to fix your problems except ask Jesus really nicely and sincerely so your mistakes in this life don't matter too much.
3: Exclusive knowledge.
4: Thought crime, sinning through thinking about sin.

These are a recipe for violence and intolerance.

Islam is somewhat different though. It has a built in warrior code glorifying war in the name of Islam, in the sense that Islam will prevail, by sword if necessary.

I'm sorry, where is there a warrior code in Islam? I'm not going to say that Islam hasn't participated in brutality, but the religion itself doesn't really have a warrior code that glorifies war in the name of Islam. It does say that armed struggle in defense of the religion is glorified, but the aspects of 'jihad' within the Qu'ran itself are about internal conflict.

This was probably an access in the 7th century Arabic tribal society it grew from, but today it is an obstacle to establishing Islam as peaceful, responsible religion that respects and co-exists with other religions on a global scale.

How did Christianity spread? Through violence. It didn't spread through peace, it spread through force. It was made an official religion by empires and states and enforced with strict codes.

And I'd also like to point out that Islam was never actually forced upon populaces, they were given a choice. Extra taxation or Islam...unless they were pagan. Christians and Jews were typically allowed to retain their religions as 'people of the book'.

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Jesus taught to be a servant to others. not to act superior. It is the gift of grace that saves. Through faith Christians are to show they believe by their works( acting on that faith).) For example if I gave you a gift of a hundred dollars by faith you would take it to the store believing it was worth something and use the money. You trust and accept the gift and use the gift. Jesus taught that you can't be just clean outside( example go to church Sunday morning) and the rest of the week have hatred in your heart. One must also remove that hatred as well because what was inside is as important as out.

You can't blame Christianity for being spread by violence. It was hijacked by TPTB and used as a means to gain wealth and control by TPTB. People in power used violence as a means to dominate others. Real Christianity offers one to choose and doesn't force.

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Originally posted by LAinhabitant
reply to post by madnessinmysoul

 

Jesus taught to be a servant to others. not to act superior. It is the gift of grace that saves.

Alright, but I did point out that he didn't just preach that.

Through faith Christians are to show they believe by their works( acting on that faith).) For example if I gave you a gift of a hundred dollars by faith you would take it to the store believing it was worth something and use the money. You trust and accept the gift and use the gift.

Um...no. I wouldn't take that money on faith, I'd take it on experience. I've experienced currency. If you handed me a piece of paper that said "$100" on it and I took it to the store, that would be faith.

Jesus taught that you can't be just clean outside( example go to church Sunday morning) and the rest of the week have hatred in your heart. One must also remove that hatred as well because what was inside is as important as out.

Can you show me where? I mean, I did just show that the New Testament is full of Cruelty, Violence, Injustice, and Intolerance...

You can't blame Christianity for being spread by violence. It was hijacked by TPTB and used as a means to gain wealth and control by TPTB. People in power used violence as a means to dominate others. Real Christianity offers one to choose and doesn't force.

TPTB? The powers that be? Read what I posted, did you even bother clicking the links I posted?

Originally posted by alienreality

Originally posted by snapperski
It's storys like these that give credence to atheist's like myself,and show's how barbaric these faiths are even in this day and age.

This story doesn't give any credence to being athiest at all... nice try though...

No, what this is, is abuse of religion by a dangerous zealot plain and simple...

The Christian faith teaches love and forgivness, not rape and murder.. If someone does those things, it just shows that this person has perverted himself through his own evil choices and then he excuses it all by inwardly or outwardly shifting the responsibility of his actions on to his religion, but in reality his religion is not about murder and forced conversions of people.. He has only tried to make it this way to excuse his actions ...

The Christian faith does preach love and forgivness, simulatenously it preaches garbage like this:
- "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;" (Deuteronomy 22:22)
"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)
- "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
- "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Christianity like any religion has it's share of love and forgiveness as well as cruelty and evil, isn't it funny that only the "nice" stories get any attention? Could it be that people simply cherry pick what they agree with in the Bible? Remember this vaunted Christian Bible is the same one that preaches killing all unbelievers.

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"Religion of Peace" strikes again!

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie

I pray this type of idiocy does not come to the West

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You already learned in school about people like the Massachusettes Puritans, who persecuted and executed Massachusettes Quakers. Or American Protestants who persecuted and killed American Catholics. Or American Catholics who persecuted and killed American Protestants. I could go on and on. There are bad people everywhere- in every nation, every religion, every race, every class. Chill.