Israel gearing up for 'mother of all flotillas'

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some /sarcasm

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Does this look like an hotel to you?
Do you see starving people on the streets?
Do you have any idea how many supply trucks are crossing the border on a daily basis?






The truth you ignore of why Hamas was elected, is due to Fatah corruption.
Sadly for them Gaza people, they elected an even more corrupted, fanatic and violent movement .
The financial aid that was given to the Palestinian authority quickly found its way to the very deep pockets of leaders like Arafat WHO BECAME A BILLIONAIR – Rajube, Dahlan and others.

Where did you get the idea they are not allowed to grow their own food . That's complete and utter nonsense.


The formula is very straightforward, Please pay attention.

No terror = no blockage.

Now, how simple was that ?

reply to post by gravitational

Do you have any idea how many supply trucks are crossing the border on a daily basis?

No, please tell me..I did see picks of trucks stopped at the border..Very slow movement..

My hometown, Melbourne has a pop of around 4 million...

Its amazing the amount of trucks, trains, ships and planes are used to supply this population...
Do you think Gaza gets a similar ratio per person?

reply to post by gravitational


First of all, you have no idea when that video was made. Furthermore, you have pictures of a market with some food. Was there millions of bananas there? Could you feed millions of people on a couple hundred bananas?

The truth you ignore of why Hamas was elected, is due to Fatah corruption.
Sadly for them Gaza people, they elected an even more corrupted, fanatic and violent movement .

Maybe you should know your history before you pretend to know what your talking about. Hamas itself was created to "stick up" for the Palestinian people. Their election victory of 2006 in Gaza was due to several factors, including the increased oppression of Palestinians on behalf of Israel.

The financial aid that was given to the Palestinian authority quickly found its way to the very deep pockets of leaders like Arafat WHO BECAME A BILLIONAIR – Rajube, Dahlan and others.

Israeli propaganda, pure and simple.

Where did you get the idea they are not allowed to grow their own food . That's complete and utter nonsense.

Dude, what little arable land that was left in Gaza has been declared DMZ, even when it has to extend just to include farm land. Palestinians are often killed just for venturing close to that land.

No terror = no blockage.

The only terrorist is Israel. Israel is the one terrorizing innocent people and making life miserable for the Palestinians, just as Hitler did to the Jews in the 20th century. The response of Palestinians is relatively nice. Could you imagine if Texans were treated the same way? I'm sure a lot more rockets and suicide bombers would be crossing the fence.

Please read: Israeli - Palestinian conflict by the numbers (The numbers don't lie)

The formula is very straightforward, Please pay attention.

When you terrorize a population... They will fight back. You can't expect to attempt genocide and not have the victim population fight back.

No terror = no resistance.

How simple was that?




--airspoon



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Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Come on, you can see through the propaganda can't you Saint? You think most Palestinians have access to the items in that hotel? Of course not. Most Palestinians are left fighting in the streets for scraps of meat. Journalists, dignitaries and turncoats are the only ones who can frequent that hotel.

Why can't most Palestinians get the things they need? Because Israeli keeps a tight control on what goes out and what comes in, which ultimately drives up the price and makes things really hard to get, even for the few things allowed.

Of course Israeli isn't going to let enough get through for the entire population, as their goal is to drive the Palestinians out. They let just enough in so that they can say that things are getting through.

Come on Saint, you can do better than that, right?


--airspoon

sounds like a personal problem.

elites are everywhere huh?

Originally posted by airspoon
The only terrorist is Israel.

Here you are very wrong, the terrorists are those that attack Israel, launching rockets at civilians. Israel is surrounded by countries that have vowed to destroy it, a fact that you ignore! If the terrorists stopped attacking Israel, Israel would not retaliate. But the terrorists care nothing for the palestinians, even using them as human shields, another fact that you ignore.

As to Arafat's billions in stolen money
www.military.com...
"These billions disappeared into banks in Europe, primarily in Switzerland. These facts were disclosed at the time of Arafat's death in Paris in the unseemly discussions between Arafat's widow and Palestinian leaders while Arafat first lay in a coma and later was dead in his hospital room. His death could not be announced and the body could not be moved until an agreement was reached about the money under the control of Arafat's widow. At this point, it seems clear that most of that money was retained by Arafat's wife. "


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Bringing Hitler and Nazi Germany to the equation, shows you have lost all rationality and decency to valid your arguments.

Somehow you always find an excuse for the Muslim terrorist acts. Killing innocent Jewish civilians is very acceptable by your standards.

The DMZ is only a narrow strip near the fence. You really have no idea what utter nonsense your are spewing here.

The IDF moved from Gaza City in 1995, yet Terror continued.
Israel moved entirely from Gaza Strip, Yet Terror continued.
Some logic you got there.


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reply to post by gravitational


The "DMZ" is not a narrow strip of land by "the fence", relatively speaking. Seeing how the whole Gaza strip is a narrow piece of land by "the fence", the DMZ encompasses most of the arable land.

Furthermore, bringing Hitler and Nazi Germany into the argument of Zionism is more than appropriate, seeing how their agendas resemble each other. When you kill and torture a group of people in mass, you have something in common. Hitler did it to the Jews, while Zionists do it to the Arabs, more specifically the Palestinians. I would even go one step further to suggest that the Zionists have learned from the mistakes of the Nazis, as to make their genocide more efficient.

Somehow you always find an excuse for the Muslim terrorist acts. Killing innocent Jewish civilians is very acceptable by your standards.

Your argument has no legs, seeing how the Muslims barely kill Jews. In fact, African American crime kills more Jews here in the States, than Palestinian rockets or "terror" kills in Israel. Oh no! Does this mean that African Americans are terrorists too?

Furthermore, the Zionists kill far more innocent civilians. In fact, it is such a large gap that you can't even compare the two. I could honestly care less whether the Palestinians were Jews, Christian or Muslim, however what I do care about it, it the systematic oppression and terror cast on them by Israel, with American money and weapons and done in the name of Judaism. Basically, this genocide is being done in the name of the US, seeing how we arm it, supply it and reward it with money (a whole lot of money). It also gives all of Judaism a bad name and causes people around the world to hate us.

If you don't care that innocent children are being murdered with your tax-dollars and consent or whole families thrown out onto the street so one or two fat Zionists can commandeer the home, then maybe you would care about a more practical approach. You see, the US's blind support of Israel is the leading reason that Islamic terrorism is targeted at the United States. But I'm sure that you believed it was due to their jealousy of our freedoms right? After all, that's what they tell you and you obviously believe whatever they tell you. LOL.

It really wouldn't matter which race or religion is being systematically dismantled, if my money

The IDF moved from Gaza City in 1995, yet Terror continued.
Israel moved entirely from Gaza Strip, Yet Terror continued.
Some logic you got there.

That would be a nice little ending if you were anywhere close to accurate. You see, this is where ignorance shines. Not to fret, ATS is a good place to tame such ignorance so I'll help you out by cluing you in.

Israel never really left Gaza. Sure, they pulled their boots off the ground but they still controlled the air, sea, borders and economy. They still harassed innocent families and controlled what could or couldn't come into Gaza. Israel still murdered Palestinians in mass and they continued on with their illegal settlements and brutal settlers. Israel still had forced evictions, child murders refusal to entry, etc... The IDF may have pulled boots out Gaza but they certainly didn't leave Gaza and more importantly, they certainly didn't stop terrorizing both Gaza and the West Bank.

Although the American MSM told you otherwise (and you failed to fact check) Gaza was heavily controlled by Israel and the IDF and this is only Gaza. Think about the horrors that were and still are inflicted on the people of the West Bank. All of the people coming under the brutal attacks of illegal terrorist settlers.


The sad truth of the matter is that Israel is the terrorist here. Let me ask you, what would you do if all the sudden your neighborhood was blocked off from all outside contact by some outside force? Then this force would constantly harass your children and wife. Many of your neighbors are dead, to include women and children. Bands of settlers have came in and evicted your other neighbors and rumor has it that your house is next on the bulldozer list. Your prevented from traveling anywhere, well you can but you would never be allowed back home. Every time you travel further than your own block you are harassed by soldiers of this outside force.

Would you just submit and hand them you children? Would you give up without a fight? Would you laugh with them as they are kicking your children? Or, would you find anyway that you could to fight? Would you fight with stones if you had to?

The rockets are relatively harmless, especially compared to the much more frequent Israeli missiles and IDF soldiers that routinely target and kill innocent women and children. If I treated someone the way that Israel treats the Palestinians, I would expect much more than a few silly rockets that can only reach a very tiny section of my country. These rockets do little more than blacken and chip the concrete. However, it's the only the Palestinians have to fight with and you certainly can't blame them for fighting back. The Palestinians are only doing what anyone with a backbone would be doing under the same oppression.

Look, I know that you take what the MSM says as fact, just because they say it but with the Israeli conflict, you have to research on your own. The Zionists control the American media (as was recently proven). Really, you shouldn't take what anyone says as fact without fact checking it for yourself, though especially the media.

--airspoon

Further reading: Israeli - Palestinian conflict by the numbers (The numbers don't lie) Who is committing the terror? LOL

Edited for tact.

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reply to post by gravitational


First of all, some of the photos in the first video, are pictures taken during Ramadan, a time when even the poorest of arab communities have plenty of food after the 29 days of fasting.

Also I want to point out, in video 1 @ 1:47 which shows a picture of Lauren Booth shopping at a Gazan grocery store. This is a quote from Lauren Booth,

"situation in Gaza is a humanitarian crisis on the scale of Darfur" and called Gaza "the largest concentration camp in the world today,"

en.wikipedia.org...

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its easy to 'disclose facts' when the person your accusing is dead...

Hamas itself was created to "stick up" for the Palestinian people.

So the Palestinaian/Israeli peace talks that Hamas is trying to disrupt is there way of "sticking up" for the Palestinian people...

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Hamas is trying to disrupt the Israeli/Palestine peace talks? Lol, that's the biggest pile of bull I've heard all day.

Behold: Israeli FM pushes for new settlement construction



In fact, it is always Israel breaking those peace agreements, though you won't hear the Zionist influenced MSM ever mentioning that huge fact.

It doesn't serve the Palestinians too well to not have peace, while on the other hand, it actually benefits Israel to continue on with this conflict.

The MSM is selling you ocean front property in Arizona and you seem to be buying it hook, line and sinker.


--airspoon