Very important message to humanity

Originally posted by Sahabi
colloredbrothers, according to your understanding, is there one universal truth, or is truth relative to our own experiences?

one universal truth

And in regards to, "Everything is 100% correct and Everything is 100% wrong," I personally find this enlightening. So far it's the best way I've found for me to reconcile certain differences I find between me and others. Presently, I believe my concept of Truth and Correctness is completely different than all of my fellow humans. Each person's truth is different. This duality allows me to recognize 2 different ideals and to pick and choose which I personally agree with, while understanding that my disagreement and disdain are this other person's Truth.

So far this concept has helped me to disagree in a state of understanding. I'm still working towards personal peace, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and perfection. I just "feel" that attributing "my" ideals of Truth or "my" understandings of correctness as "The" way will never work. I never claim to know Truth and I feel weary of others that say they know the Truth in spiritual matters, because how can any one human claim to know a specific Truth? To propagate to others, all the while asking them to give up all their preconceived experiences and understandings of their truths? This way of declaring Truth and "correcting" other people's truth is a bit egotistical. No insult intended my friend, just making an observation based on my ideas of truth. All is 100% correct and 100% wrong

no problem just wanted to help.

Ego is our individualized thoughts and our minds labeling everything?

By letting go and realizing that things are the way things are supposed to be is how to be free from ego?

If I have this understood correctly, how does this philosophy fit in where we witness an injustice and are able to stop it? Example; A man is being robbed on the street. If I am able to help, do I help? How does letting go of ego, according to your OP, allow us to rationalize right and wrong?

Looking forward to your response.

Originally posted by Sahabi
Ego is our individualized thoughts and our minds labeling everything?

By letting go and realizing that things are the way things are supposed to be is how to be free from ego?

If I have this understood correctly, how does this philosophy fit in where we witness an injustice and are able to stop it? Example; A man is being robbed on the street. If I am able to help, do I help? How does letting go of ego, according to your OP, allow us to rationalize right and wrong?

Looking forward to your response.

coming to realization automaticly detaches you from things, but this does not mean you cannot act upon bad things happening. The Dalai Lama for instance is very active.

If someone is being robbed you help that person, what you don't do is become mad and punsh the # of out the robber and leave him behind on the curb half dead. That is what ego wants to do if it sees injustice and that only perpetuates violence obviously.

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this is all you need to know


People that are heavely identified with the mind will try to think their way around reality as much as they want, there is only one reality and the way to see it is to take care of ego.

in this scene he realizes that the thoughts arn't in control of him, he realizes himself, he realizes he isn't his thoughts.



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An excellent post, S&F to you. not all will comprehend, most will dismiss it.

i have gleaned the following from my readings and apologize for any mistakes.
another great work is nisagadatta's "i am that", which is written in question and answer format. he cuts thru all the minds crap and tells it like it really is.
he says that when change is due for the world, someone will be born with the power and ability to do it.
he says that it is inevitable to have 50% pain and 50% pleasure.
his method, similar to ramana, is to enquire/repeat "i am"; it is the veil sort of that separates body and mind from the infinite state. for him it took 3 years, but he was a very simple man.
ramana describes the process as like the funeral pyre being stirred by the stick of ego/discriminatory faculty until only the fire remains and the stick is consumed in the process.
and truth of course can never really be told but only experienced. nisagadatta described the state as unfathomable peace.

it is the master game, the only game worth playing.

Originally posted by orangutang
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An excellent post, S&F to you. not all will comprehend, most will dismiss it.

i have gleaned the following from my readings and apologize for any mistakes.
another great work is nisagadatta's "i am that", which is written in question and answer format. he cuts thru all the minds crap and tells it like it really is.
he says that when change is due for the world, someone will be born with the power and ability to do it.
he says that it is inevitable to have 50% pain and 50% pleasure.
his method, similar to ramana, is to enquire/repeat "i am"; it is the veil sort of that separates body and mind from the infinite state. for him it took 3 years, but he was a very simple man.
ramana describes the process as like the funeral pyre being stirred by the stick of ego/discriminatory faculty until only the fire remains and the stick is consumed in the process.
and truth of course can never really be told but only experienced. nisagadatta described the state as unfathomable peace.

it is the master game, the only game worth playing.

thank you very much to bring this person to my attention, I have the pdf file of the book and read a segment and its absolutly incredible how he destroys peoples reality by simple answers.

This man is powerful very powerful. thanks!

I think it is a good thread. The task is extremely difficult; most of us have been conditioned so vigorously to embrace the ego and find any reason to separate ourselves from our fellow creations. But we can overcome these obstacles and transcend the boundaries that have been placed around us.

Revisiting the negatives of the past will only help to keep us divided and distrustful. It is time to acknowledge and accept the present situation and all that it entails. By harnessing the positives and strengthening our bonds, we can overcome these obstacles and ensure a brighter future for all of Humankind.

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My feelings on this is that we need a Directed Ego that comes from having a highly integrated personality. When people are balanced, their Egos don't function as Blackbeard running a pirate ship. I prefer to put myself in a state where I am both passionate and dispassionate at the same time. There are more connotations to the Ego than just the negative aspects. I prefer to balance rather than eliminate except for one thing. I want to eliminate negative thinking totally, because how you think can become a habit so fast it will make your head swim. I know you can't ignore negative things, but you can refuse to dwell on them. I do what I do to contribute to the positive as much as I am able, but I certainly can't fix everything on my own. I am living right here in this second, no more, no less. We can only control what we can control, and that is ourselves, period.

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I understand what you are saying and I agree that the we must kill the ego before it kills us. Most people want to me on top of the social ladder and enjoy having bragging rights. It gives them the feeling of being important among colleagues and friends.

But I don't think the problem stems from the ego alone. I believe ignorance and apathy are the leading causes of problems within the world.

Not knowing what people are going through around the world has us in a state of bliss. Just because we are happy doesn't mean the world is perfect. Once something hits home we start to panic not knowing why this is happening to us.

I believe education is the most important thing to help humanity grow.

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Yes, the past is a mermory the future an imagination. When a person is always in the now things simply manifest, and a person in the now sees the world as if its new everyday.

I once had an experience where I had "attained" this, but it was trhough artificial means and I lost it because I didn't know what it was or how to hold it. Iv talked about it in some threads but i wont go into it as it kinda is against the ATS rules.

since then I know that it exists and thus know what im searching for, even though its right here right now.

Just trying to understand from your point of view. My questions are to help me understand your truths. I enjoy learning religion, philosophy, and any other forms of inner, spiritual, and universal thought. Even one principle has different meanings and applications to different people. I enjoy hearing the ideas, beliefs, and opinions of others, because all are different.

Good message so far. Any more to elaborate on your op?

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The day all experience realization is the day the world changes, this is without a doubt. Thats the only thing I want to add. The rest will have to come from inside everyone individualy.

My friend, what is the full spectrum of this realization? Is it simply the conquering of the ego, or is there more?

Well, this ego-thing has been discussed ad nauseam lately, but anyway..

As I see it, we should let go of the "ego" or push it aside, so we may experience things more directly. As in discussion, not taking everything so personally and focus on the subjects rather than slinging mud. One may experience, that when we do this, the "emotions" do not actually disappear, but we start to feel pure euphoria.

Maybe it's a form of meditation, or rather, a meditative state. It definitely doesn't dictate how you should act when you "see a kid getting beaten up" etc. It's also healthy to not to drop your guard completely when dealing with complete strangers.

But then (again), I don't really see this as an issue on this board.

It's strange how this subject (and subjects dealing with the big L) always causes so strong reactions