Michael Moore calls Suspected WikiLeaks Source a 'Patriot'

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Whoops... I totally misread the thread.

Please @ everyone forgive my ignorance. It has been an honest mistake.
I do agree Moore did good things.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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Sicko was released in 2007. George Bush was president then. Why do you feel so angry at Obama for? Did he ever cause you any wrong? If not then why all the unnecessary angry. He is human like you and me.
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Yes Sicko was released in 2007 and yes Bush was in power .Who came next , Obama riding the healthcare wave on the back of the sicko propaganda .And what anger ??? Simply pointing out the obvious . You should have researched the relationship between Moore and Emanuels brother before you commented .Follow the dollars . I'm telling the simple truth and you don't even want to acknowledge it without bias .I am not a Bush advocate or any political affiliate . I don't believe there is a two party right wing / left wing dynamic . Both wings of the same damn bird and central head . I'm not as gullible as some .You couldn't even be bothered to google Moore/Emanuel before you made your comment and thats just sloppy .I used to enjoy your post rebel but you're not what I thought .

PS not angry , disappointed .

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Well then i apologize. I should of done my research. "Checks Google"




Do you accept my apology for lashing out at you?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Michael Moore? You mean the big guy from the poorly made documentary movies..

No thats Alex Jones

Forget about it Reb , this is not about you or me or our personal feelings .This is about getting to the facts and seeking truth ! We are all here seeking the truth . All's sweet friend .

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That's the truth! Remember deny ignorance!
Glad to have you as a friend.

Fact of the matter is this, this young soldier had a high level security clearence. Before you recieve such clearence you are given multiple examinations and explained your duties and consequences if you should ever violate the clearence. I bleieve he probably had a top seceret clearence and his job gave him access to these documents which he gave to support his effort to stop the war or whatever.

So if this is true first he knowinly entered the army and chose such a profession that gave him access to documents to hurt the cause of the United States. He new what he was doing because they dont let idiots recieve jobs such as his. He then went through with what he probably planned on doing.

If I was prosecuting this case I would wonder if he had any addictional help or who he had associated with before entering service.

This soldiers deserves the book to be thrown at him Id give him 30 years for his misguided ways.

As far as Micheal moore lets charge him as a co defendent in the case. I would rather waste our tax money on that, then retry blago.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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That's the truth! Remember deny ignorance!
Glad to have you as a friend.

You're welcome , if we as a people cannot get passed minor misunderstandings we are all finnished .

It's all very noble for Manning to disclose secret information on the grounds of soul & conscience. But there were other avenues available to him if his employment & the information passing by him were giving him so much cause for concern.

I give him credit for disclosing the video of the 12th July 2007 Baghdad attacks, though. That might have remained unseen by the public for a generation, assuming it were ever seen at all.

But Manning could not have possibly vetted all those files he put into the public domain, there's simply too many of them for any one man to have checked in their entirety. To release them all en masse in ignorance of their content was reckless and it so badly undermines any defence he might bring before the military tribunal that his was a quietly calculated disclosure. Not only will he get the book thrown at him, I think he deserves it.

But others need to be on the stand too. No one man should have unlimited access to hundreds of thousands of confidential files. The people whose negligence led to Manning trawling that database on fishing trips, enabling him to download vast amounts of data without any let or hindrance, well, they really need to be right up there with him before the judge.

And I have to be very candid, I wonder too about Manning's sexuality and the effect that had on his mindset. There's plenty homosexual men in the Army who wouldn't have done what Manning did, I accept that. But being gay, as Manning is, living that lifestyle & nailing himself to the big ol' rainbow cross, well, that I honestly think is an issue here too. And it seriously makes me question the issue of gays in the military ... not homosexuals ... gays ... there's a huge difference between the two.

As to Mister Moore, I'm not on his side this time ... which comes as a surprise to me. Normally I'd agree with much of what he says, he's a refreshing breath of fresh air on most things USA. But on this one we part company, not that he'll be too fussed on that one.

You are correct. Manning DID take an oath. He swore to defend the constitution and the US from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. Our country is far more at risk of falling to domestic enemies than it ever was of falling to an external foe, and all serving men and women who are not working against our corporations and our paid off congressmen, as well as the Military industrial complex, are failing that oath completely.

Originally posted by humbleseeker
This soldiers deserves the book to be thrown at him Id give him 30 years for his misguided ways.

As far as Micheal moore lets charge him as a co defendent in the case. I would rather waste our tax money on that, then retry blago.

It is pretty apparent what side of the fence you'd be on at Nuremberg. But 'only following orders' doesn't get you a walk past the hangman any more.

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
How can he call them patriots? The real patriots are the men and woman in combat fighting for his country. The freedom that he should be grateful for!


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Wait, I thought the real patriots were those older Americans sitting around on lawn chairs holding Tea Party signs. I have been mislead.

Seriously, you can be a patriot without serving in the military. There are many ways to serve your country and work toward making it and the world a better place. In no way am I suggesting that those in the military aren't patriots.

If the leaks expose crimes and corruption which go against the very notion of what it means to be an American, then they are a patriot. They are putting country first and not those politicians currently in power first.

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
How can he call them patriots? The real patriots are the men and woman in combat fighting for his country. The freedom that he should be grateful for!


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That would be correct if the guys were actually fighting for their country rather than a bunch of billionaire pirates.