Market Sends Warning: Total Implosion T-Minus 40 Days

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My own studies of the Hindenburg Omen offer something maybe even scarier...

It is not uncommon, because of the way the "Omen" is calculated, to have multiple "Omens" in a row over an extending period of time during major UPSWINGS in the market .. if you look historically, during all long periods of market GROWTH, there are numerous Omens on the way up.

However..

There are very FEW Omens on "downward trends" and seeing as we are currently in a rut on the markets, seeing TWO omens at the onset and at this later stage signifies, historically, a much larger percentage chance for a major market incident. Not crash, hopefully not anyways, but a major downward movement.

Just my own observations.

Very interesting, OP. Thanks for the heads up on the Hindenburg Omen. Not something I was aware of, but have read up on it now.

It seems it was triggered twice since Aug 12, with Aug 25/26 being "almost" trigger days.

Edgar Cayce predicted a "earthquake in south america, followed by a large Volcano in Iceland, followed by a market / economic collapse sometime around the end of August., all in 2010. Seems like he might only have been off by a few weeks - lets wait and see.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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My own studies of the Hindenburg Omen offer something maybe even scarier...

It is not uncommon, because of the way the "Omen" is calculated, to have multiple "Omens" in a row over an extending period of time during major UPSWINGS in the market .. if you look historically, during all long periods of market GROWTH, there are numerous Omens on the way up.

However..

There are very FEW Omens on "downward trends" and seeing as we are currently in a rut on the markets, seeing TWO omens at the onset and at this later stage signifies, historically, a much larger percentage chance for a major market incident. Not crash, hopefully not anyways, but a major downward movement.

Just my own observations.

This is scary, especially since the market dipped below 10,000 yesterday, and then closed below 10,000 today. I've been saying since 2009 that IF we're watching the same recipe for a crash that happened in 1929 (and I believe we are - NWO working out of the same playbook) that most people don't realize there was a second crash in 1931. We're about due for the second crash, right now. The market should bounce off about 4500 when the second crash comes.

Well, i don't believe in all this doom and gloom stuff. I keep following all the things you guys are saying and doing my own research. I find lots of bad news, and lots of good news. And I realize that I am using CNN as a source here but it seems to me, that the fed is ready and willing to take on an economy in trouble, they aren't going to let it crash.

money.cnn.com...

The bond market is the next big bubble. Anytime you have a bubble it has no other way of ending other than exploding wide open. Everytime TPTB have tried to fix anything they have only succeeded in creating yet another bubble.

Well how many bubbles can they create before the system will crash? I am so sick of seeing everyone talking about doom and gloom, when it never occurs. There's always a date to when doom and gloom will arrive. There was some in march, in may, in july, and now apparently in 40 days, then after that, it will be november. I wish it would just crash and burn already. Either that, or the economy gets better like they keep telling us it will.

Great the goverment anounced its going to be buying its own bonds today. Now how the H*** does that work? Then the market goes up after they anounce this. WOW! Let me pay off my VISA with my Master Card.

Why anyone would put their money in the market is beyond me. I don't call speculating "investing"

You might as well go to Vegas with your money and see how much you come back with.

I can buy a property worth $100k for $50-60k making $40-60k day one. Can you do that with stocks?

I average over 20% yearly return on my money with real estate.

Stock market.....NO THANKS! How much you pay your broker, and then in taxes. With real estate I can roll over my profits through a 1031 exchange and not pay taxes on my gains. If you have money in the market, pull it out and learn how to invest in real estate. You could also learn how to lend you funds you have tied up in stocks to investors. My private lenders earn 15-20% yearly returns secured by real estate.

Have fun in the market boys!

How does it goes in times of great depressions ? As that one in USA before WWII.

Do you have to give back your loans when everything crashes ? Even your bank.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
To be honest, I’m kind of eager to see Wall Street totally implode its face in. The total destruction of the criminal financial sector may finally bring about calls for a return to sound money and an end to the criminal private banking cartel you call the federal reserve banking system.

Like you I'm eager to see it all collapse and for us to quickly progress to the de-evolved state we need to be in to function as a society.

But, I think many are completely underestimating the catastrophic process that this will take.

When the $ collapses, we won't just wake up one day and have a new world to build without the banksters. There will be a violent struggle as the elites try to regain total control over the people.

Likewise, all around the world people will be affected if their own government hasn't taken protective measures.

I am worried about our UK economy when the $ dies. Because I have ZERO faith in my government and its ability to prepare.

What should be in place is a complete shut-down of the global financial web. Each nation should, right now, have the ability to press a button and immediately cut itself off from international trade. That means all stock trading, all global banks and all cross-border finance should be able to be halted.
Then, when a currency crisis threatens global stability (as the collapse of the $ clearly would) each government should make a televised announcement to their public stating that the "real economy" will continue, that the assets of all international banking and trade institutions in that country have been seized, and that the currency is being monitored and managed with the primary purpose being the stability of the people's economy.

This would allow each nation to focus on its own currency and economic stability without the influence of external forces. It would also increase confidence domestically in the face of what would otherwise be a complete global economic collapse.

Unfortunately, I don't believe ANY government is taking these steps. Which is kind of ironic considering their fanatical dedication to "national security". You'd have thought one of the first areas to protect would be domestic economics, but no, we need national ID cards and phone tapping!


I said to a friend the other day when I heard about that phone call between Obama and Geithner that now is really the time to make sure everything is in place for survival.
He kind of scoffed at the idea.
But when you consider that a collapse of the $ would likely mean all trade halting, all transfer of food stocks to the shelves halting, panic buying, and so on, this genuinely would all come apart within 24 hours.

From the moment it is announced that the $ is doomed, the shelves will start emptying. That means that the second the market drops and the Plunge Protection Team cannot prop it up, or the banksters go for broke, or China dumps its worthless reserves, the clock starts ticking and we all have hours to secure enough resources to last us and our families three to six months.

And even then, those months should also be spent growing a sustainable supply of food, for when the reserves of canned and dried goods run out.

People are idiots. They don't consider where the food on the shop shelves comes from. They don't consider how they'll pay for it if their bank closes its doors and their cards stop working. And they don't consider how they'll secure such even if they had money, considering the gangs of people who would be out there robbing everyone for whatever they can get.

That's only a slice of what we're looking at.

I'm not quite prepared yet. But I'm getting there.
And I long for it to be done and over so we can go back to being ecologically minded, self sufficient and sensible with the resources we have.

Originally posted by topdog30
Why anyone would put their money in the market is beyond me. I don't call speculating "investing"

You might as well go to Vegas with your money and see how much you come back with.

I can buy a property worth $100k for $50-60k making $40-60k day one. Can you do that with stocks?

I average over 20% yearly return on my money with real estate.

Stock market.....NO THANKS! How much you pay your broker, and then in taxes. With real estate I can roll over my profits through a 1031 exchange and not pay taxes on my gains. If you have money in the market, pull it out and learn how to invest in real estate. You could also learn how to lend you funds you have tied up in stocks to investors. My private lenders earn 15-20% yearly returns secured by real estate.

Yeah, nobody lost any money owning real estate in the last 2 years. You can have a house worth 100k and you couldn't get it to sell for even 80k in most places today. I guess you missed the small housing bubble crash that got us to where we are today.

If you think that housing or stocks is any different then you are silly because they are tied together.

The people that lost money in the real estate market are people who paid full price for the properties, they over leveraged their properties. Manly the retail home buyer. Not investors that have a clue on how to buy right.

I don't buy a property for more than 65% of value, so in your scenario, I still have money. The people who buy stocks, start off already leverage 100%....that's not good!

What your stock price does is not a concern to me because nine times out of ten I have my property sold the same day I bought it.

Can you buy a stock at 40-65% of value?

Can you buy a stock and make 60-40k when you buy it?

Does you stocks pay you 10k or more a month and give you equity NO, I don't think so. Get out of stocks....learn how to buy right...and make some money.

Originally posted by topdog30
The people that lost money in the real estate market are people who paid full price for the properties, they over leveraged their properties. Manly the retail home buyer. Not investors that have a clue on how to buy right.

I don't buy a property for more than 65% of value, so in your scenario, I still have money. The people who buy stocks, start off already leverage 100%....that's not good!

What your stock price does is not a concern to me because nine times out of ten I have my property sold the same day I bought it.

Can you buy a stock at 40-65% of value?

Can you buy a stock and make 60-40k when you buy it?

Does you stocks pay you 10k or more a month and give you equity NO, I don't think so. Get out of stocks....learn how to buy right...and make some money.

If you are buying things at 40% to 65% of value and you cant sell them then you are still needing to pay for them and unless you have a massive amount of cash, you are taking out loans for these homes. If you do have that cash then you could make the same in the markets if you know what you are doing.

The goal of buying a stock is that its undervalued, just like the homes you say you are buying. If you bought into PFE for example before the released Viagra and held onto it ( assuming you have enough money to make it worth while) you would have made far more then that 40-60k.

Most stocks being purchased are sold the same day and the big companies do it in less the 10 seconds at a time. The are buying enough to drive up the price and then selling and taking the profits.

Show me a listing that you bought and sold on the same day please. I just don't believe you from how you are talking. I'm not saying nobody has made money in housing because I made 80k off my last one that I bought fixed up and sold. I'm saying that in today's economy, the housing market is very volatile and not one I would be playing in. It is equal if not worse then any other way you can plan on investing your money right now.

Are you buying foreclosed homes? Maybe you can link an example of one of these homes you some how purchased and sold in the same day.

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Yes I buy and sell the majority of the properties I purchase the same day through a double close. I use a lot of private money so I'm able to buy these properties with cash. The private lenders I have, used to have there money in stocks, or Cd's that type of stuff and earning a terrible return. I have also found private lenders just by net working and word of mouth. All my partnerships are fully disclosed and are compliant with the SEC.

Some properties I do have to hold on to for thirty days because of the banks seasoning issues. So, yes there is some risk, but because I'm able to buy these properties at such a discount I'm not to worried that the price will fall 60% overnight....I hope not anyway. The key to buying and selling is to have your exit strategy in place long before you buy, you should have buyers lined up waiting for the property. It has taken me along time to get to this point. Is real estate investing easy? NO! Can you make some money? YES! In the last couple of years I have started to shift my focus on buying non performing notes ( The defaulted mortgage) from banks. It's hard to compete with the big hedge funds but if your able to build a relationship with the lenders and perform like you say you will, then they will send you more notes than you can handle.
Some of the larger pools of non performing notes you can pick up for 20-40% of UPB (Unpaid Principal Balance) depending on which part of the country it is located and sell them off for 50-65% UPB. A lot of times we are able to work out better terms with home owners that have fallen on hard times and keep them in the home.

My main concern with the stock market is that there are to many variables concerning the value of a particular stock/business. If I was to buy a stock like "Viagra" how long will my money be tied up until I get a good return? Also what kind of returns are you seeing in the market?

I take it you buy stocks for long term buy and hold, is that correct?

I also buy income properties in my personal portfolio for long term buy and hold. The good thing with income properties is that the IRS has allowed real estate investors not pay capital gains tax on profits and roll it over to another investment property through a 1031 tax exchange. I'm sure you see how valuable that can be compounding your money over and over again. So, a small time investor could start out with a duplex and end up with multiple multimillion dollar properties to help with retirement. Just by rolling over the profit from the last property or just by refinancing it. This is one area I have always tried to encourage people to get into, this alone could help out so many people.

I have meet some people that deal with the options put & calls....is that what it is called? They seem to do alright, but they are constantly staring at a screen and moving like lightning...WOW!

Congrats on selling your rehab, it's not as easy as they make it look on TV is it? Did you get it at an auction...or are you doing your own marketing? Have you dealt with any REOs?

My properties are not listed....I do not buy off the MLS. I buy straight from the owner be it homeowner or lender.

The housing markets I deal in are fantastic. Always have a buyer lined up and you just eliminated the hardest part.

What type of houses do you rehab? Are you looking for any now?

I guess to each his own.

No hard feelings

Ahhh…… It’s now T- minus 29 days and counting till total market implosion. Just incase anyone was interested. Tick tock tick tock

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A fifth HO. Now we are in a 30% chance range. This is getting more volatile by the day. You have to read this great article.

Source

What does this mean? Pretty much the same thing as the confirmed and official Hindenburg Omen observation means, that the market lacks uniformity, that the market is in an unstable condition, and it is at these times that markets are especially vulnerable to a stock market crash. Again, this does not guarantee a crash, as the odds are only about 30 percent, but compared to the normal less than one-tenth of one percent probability for a crash on any given day, that is an astronomical increase in the odds for a crash.

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That's hot.

I can't wait for doomsday.

I'm kind of excited now.

When I wake up and the market is holding at 2000, I'm going to pop a bottle of bubbly and take the day off.

The market should track gold.

This means the market ultimately should correct down to the price of gold, or gold should correct up to the price of the market.

I'd say we are probably looking at a market crash to 5000 with gold going to 5000.

That's about right.




[edit on 2-9-2010 by mnemeth1]

This is rather interesting indeed. Reinhardt has predicted september 20th on, most likely september 30 this year, for a Dow jones slide in panic, from what ive read. This post here, says 27 days to go...coincidence.?