Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center

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Also...

Property honcho denies Islamic leaders abandoning Ground Zero mosque plans

Fox News quoted property owner Sharif El-Gamal as saying: "This is completely incorrect. We are committed to our plans of building Park51 to serve the community of lower Manhattan. Our mission is one of peace, understanding and tolerance."

He was responding to a report in Israel's English-language newspaper Haaretz, which cited sources in New York as saying Muslim leaders were considering abandoning the controversial plan.

[edit on 8/17/2010 by ~Lucidity]

I think it's funny how many people on here are indignant over people not wanting this and saying how they'll call them out every chance they get, when they expouse freedom etc. I guess if you live for an arguement, theres always one to be had. As has been stated time and time again, people did say they have the right......they just don't agree with it. And as far as the Christian bashing and trolling on here (which seems to reach new levels everyday).....I'm a Pagan and quite happy about the controversy surrounding this, seems that the administration has shown what it truely believes (the constitution only applies when they need it to)and what suckers some people are. Political correctness and entitlements will be the end of us. Again, they have the right, doesnt make it right.

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I still maintain the opinion that it would be symbolic and beautiful to have a cultural fellowship center established at ground zero, including mosques, churches, temples, and various other religious and cultural institutions side by side. It would be a means of transforming the site of a great tragedy and loss of human life into a place of fellowship, understanding, and communication.

Just an idea. (Those seem to carry a certain stigma these days, though.)

I have refrained from commenting on this until now. But for me it would not be a big deal given that 9/11 was not master minded by Muslims. I am 100% for freedom of religion. That being said, since so many Americans believe it was Muslims who took down the towers, common sense says this wouldn't be a good idea right now. If the real truth of this ever comes out people would agree to it, because the American people would understand the Muslims were set up and blamed, for false flag operations and future foreign policy justification wars, in Muslim based countries.

Bottom line, based on what people believe and the emotion they feel from that, right now it's not a wise choice, to put it there. I am in no way opposed to it.
But to put it their is asking for more trouble from those that are less informed.
Keep in mind this bible verse.

Ecclesiastes 7:7a

For mere oppression may make a wise one act crazy

Americans are feeling pretty oppressed right now on a number of different issues.
Why make it worse?

Originally posted by hippomchippo
Oh boy, I didn't know Osama bin laden represented all muslims.

Of course not, he represents the CIA

Guys can you please go here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's an interesting addition to the topic

Also, why are we talking about Osama anyhow?
If you go to the FBI website and look at Osama's profile you will see 911 isn't even listed as one of his crimes, because as the FBI says there's no proof.

So why are we talking about Osama for? I don't get it.

And any mention of an independant investigation and you get ridiculed, called anti-american and the media won't even let you finish your sentence.
Due Process is not to be spoken about!

So again... why are we talking about Osama for?

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I don't see how people being stupid justifies their stupidity.

I mean really, that doesn't make sense.

the muslims didn't knock down the towers, it was bush and friends

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Thanks for the update, Lucidity. I was holding back until we heard word from those behind the plans.



It morally saddens me they will continue with their plans in spite of the obvious pain it is causing. I think of it along the lines of Fred Phelps funeral protests. Sure, he has the right but at the same time, how nice it would be if he would police himself to knock off the behavior that obviously hurts others.

I would be 100% against the GOVERNMENT stepping in to put an end to the plans to build the center. Freedom of religion and assembly still reigns. That is why we have these legal protections. They weren't put in place to only protect the popular and socially acceptable.

So I am against the government stopping it but it would be nice if they were not pouring salt on the wounds of something so fragile. To be honest, it does make me angry that they know the pain it is causing others but are still going forward. Of course, we cannot worry about every little offense our actions cause another nor should we have to.

But this is a pretty hot button. So common sense would dictate a move in location but common sense died a few decades ago so that's that.

If it is causing offense to people then that is their problem, why should it cause offense for muslims to build a place of worship? by saying it causes this you are inadvertently admitting that many people equate the terrorists that attacked the world trade centers with all Muslims and not just a bunch of extremists. In which case the fault lies with those against the building imo.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Three cheers for intimidation and bigotry! Hup hup hooray! Hup hup, hooray! Hup hup, hooray!

Personally I'm hoping that Haaretz is wrong, simply because otherwise, a very ugly precedent is set.

I do not care what the reasons. I read a story the other day that said 68 % of Americans are against this. If true then this is a fine example of democracy in action. The people have spoken, no matter what their reasons, this is the law of our land and therefore is right and just.

Last time I checked, the United States is not a democracy but a Republic.

It doesn't matter what the majority of people want in certain things. There are certain things that are protected by the Constitution, and freedom of religion is one of them.

If you want to throw that out the window based on popular opinion at the current time, you could throw anything out...

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A display of good will, tolerance and sensitivity would have done far more good for the American Muslim community, if they did choose to build their "center" in a less controversial location.

By not doing that they risk initiating a new wave of anger, hate and bitterness toward Muslims. Which gives credence to the notion that this move is intentional and meant to inflame tensions. Many people will fail to see this for what it is until it is too late.

If Islam is truly a religion of peace there would have been no better opportunity than this to convince the world, and especially Americans of that.

Ultimately it is their choice, their right... whether right or wrong, let God/Allah be the judge.

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Apparently the pain of being told that all Muslim's are responsible for the attacks on 9/11 and attacking them for practicing their faith doesn't mean jack # though.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Miraj
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What is this about "American Hosts"? These people are AMERICAN CITIZENS JUST LIKE YOU.

Don't like the word "host"? Here's why I used it. Do some research ...

source

Feisal Abdul Rauf
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Feisal Abdul Rauf

Born 1948
Kuwait
Occupation Imam

[edit on 8/16/2010 by centurion1211]

I did some research..

Abdul Rauf is a naturalized U.S. citizen

www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Imam_Feisal_Abdul_Rauf

But I guess not following the same religion as yourself disqualifies him as an American Citizen? Or is it his ethnicity?

This is ugly, ugly rhetoric.

The iniative to change the constitution to repeal birthright citizenship...

The AZ Law...Papers please.

Now actual legal, Naturalized American Citizens that are a different ethnicity or religion?..

How many of my fellow Americans does the right wing want to round-up?

Remember the poem that the GOP was tossing around...

"Frist they came for...."

The irony isn't even funny.





[edit on 17-8-2010 by maybereal11]

I think no matter which side of the fence you stand on you'll agree Bloomberg is an idiot

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An addition to my previous post...

Do you, or anyone reading this now believe that the recent increase of anti-Muslim sentiment on ATS and elsewhere is a coincidence?

Olbermann is an idiot
But thoughts on this:



Thoughts?

So THIS ISN'T EVEN A MOSQUE TO BEGIN WITH???????

Originally posted by willow1d


I hope their sources are correct. At least someone is listening to the American people even tho' the President and his administration won't. I don't agree at all that it was Obama limiting what he meant when he showed support for the mosque. I think they are really not wanting a huge negative reaction on their hands, especially after they open their doors.

Fingers crossed!

Oh i see! So when someone wants to build something, staying well within the law, they should be prevented because some people don't like the idea. Yep that's freedom right there. It's also funny how various people have threatened violence against the individuals involved and threatened to destroy the building if it is built. Isn't that terrorism?

It just makes me laugh at how some americans tell people that the terrorists hate their countries freedom while those same americans trample someones right to build something.

Originally posted by pajoly
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"A porn shop is protected freedom of speech right? Oh yea, it's called taste and respect."

So apparently you have no problem with the strip club and the porn shop presently in the same Ground Zero neighborhood? To you their existence must be good taste and respect. Surely you reserve just as much outrage for them? Or...do you just have a problem with places of worship for people you find really scary? Does Momma rock you to sleep?

There is a vast difference from not allowing a porn shop being built by a school than not allowing one to be built at all.

There are thousands of mosques in the U.S. and most people DO NOT CARE.

It's just why does it have to be built in that particular spot?

It would almost be like sticking a Catholic Church that with murals of the first crusade on ground zero.

And whats with the personal insults?

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
It just makes me laugh at how some americans tell people that the terrorists hate their countries freedom while those same americans trample someones right to build something.

It makes me laugh that the same people who are "defending" the constitutional rights of muslims to build a mosque on a particular site ( when there are a zillion other places to build a mosque) also support zoning laws and regulations that limit the personal use of private property.

And while it is of supreme importance to protect the constitutional rights of muslims, the rest of the Bill of Rights gets happily trampled on because it is an archaic document written by a bunch of whit racist slave owners.

Here is an interesting perspective on the matter...

The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!

I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district.

The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.

www.aawsat.com...

The Beginning of the End of the Ground Zero Mosque