Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center

b-b-b-but muslims don't care about anyone else and want to take over the world! :facepalm:


Of course, the sheeple won't care if an Israeli money-changing temple is put there. In fact, they'll enjoy it and front the money.

As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any
bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless
American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit
and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my
Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi
Arabia--where I come from--are not even allowed to own a copy
of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates
and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration
points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates
worshiping privately.

doesn't sound like a 2-way street to me, does it?

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or
deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded
in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. ... As Muslims,
we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish
counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols.
Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of
David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi
establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses
or Stars of David are censored.

cdrsalamander.blogspot.com...


[edit on 17-8-2010 by boondock-saint]

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The fact that Saudi Arabia is this way has been discussed throughout this thread. Saudi Arabia is not the only Islamic country in the world; if it were, your argument would have some merit. Every other Islamic country, except Afghanistan, has churches.

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Maybe you should take action and demand that your government stop doing business with them as long as they do not support human rights. It would be far more productive than sitting here and whining about how that country suck. They are powerful because they are allies of US, on the other hand they (USA) seems to plan an attack on Iran, which have a thriving jewish and christian communities.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by gagol]

Originally posted by Three_moons

Edit to add:

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
But, A majority vote of the people as a whole (The Republic) does have the power to change the laws as they relate to the rights of others - to decide what rights the minority should have.[edit on 16-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Absolutely agreed!!!!!!

Versus what you previously wrote:

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I do not care what the reasons. I read a story the other day that said 68 % of Americans are against this. If true then this is a fine example of democracy in action. The people have spoken, no matter what their reasons, this is the law of our land and therefore is right and just.

BIG difference, no?

I still don't see a problem with my first post.

My point was that the builders recognized that 68 % of Americans ( at least according to this one poll) disagreed with the location of the Mosque and they decided it wise not to continue. To me that's as much of a democracy as a majority making a choice to enforce or create a new law. I never claimed the mosque didn't have a right to be there or that it was being forced to move by the will of the people by law.. but it does have the same effect.

When I said, " This is the law of the land" I didn't mean law as in real law, I meant law as in spirit. This is the way things get done in our democracy.. the majority vote is king. The mosque builders recognized this.

In this case there were no rights issues or laws at stake. But by the mosque builders seeing the majority against them they know if it was a rights or law issue, they would have lost. I believe this is the right decision in that if they had continued, this may have escalated into something much worse for all parties concerned.

Praise Allah. Praise The Aten. Praise Jehovah. Praise the Buddha. Praise Yahweh. Oh and what the hell.... Praise Jesus. Say Hallelujah.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
What about churches near the oklahama city bombing?

The only thing that was surprising about the protest was seeing that many people still believing the 911 story from govt.

yeah, the whole "u.s. govt did 911" still doesnt change the fact that I SAW IN VIDEOS MUSLIMS DANCING IN THE STREETS, SOME OF THOSE STREETS IN THE U. S. OF A!!!!! cheering the mayhem of the event, celebrating the deaths of the infidels. so you keep on blaming america, if you are american than islam has you right where they want you.

What about all the Catholic buildings that are built near child care centres and schools? More muslims died after the planes hit the buildings than Westerners, not in the attacks, but after America and it's war-machine decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, to many fingers in to many pies.

That is all.

This is a very sad day for what once was America. It is made even sadder because so many who claim to be freedom loving are celebrating that the tyranny of the majority has slaughtered the Constitution. So much for your freedom of religion, so much for what was left of your property rights.

Every one of you who celebrate are unAmerican and you are such weak-kneed cowards you are willing to shred the Constitution to make you feel better and safer. Screw the mods, there is no reason why I need to be civil to you sniveling, zealot babies. Next up you faux Christians will be calling for the heads of another group you are afraid of, telling them what they cando with their property, telliing them to whom they can pray.

Yes, it is a very sad day.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenixWhen I said, " This is the law of the land" I didn't mean law as in real law, I meant law as in spirit. This is the way things get done in our democracy.. the majority vote is king. The mosque builders recognized this.

What a bunch of dissembling nonsensical crap. Go check out the full results of the Fox poll linked earlier in this thread. Yes, a majority of Americans believe the mosque shouldn't be built there. But guess what else the poll shows? That a majority of Americans believe that they have the constitutional right to build the mosque there if they so desire. The majority vote is not king. The Constitution overrides mob rule any day of the week.

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"When I said, " This is the law of the land" I didn't mean law as in real law, I meant law as in spirit. This is the way things get done in our democracy.. the majority vote is king. The mosque builders recognized this."

See, it is posts like this that should have each of you quaking in your shoes. People like this have no clue that they are completely ignorant of the facts, completely and willfully ignorant how our society is meant to function. He lives in opposite world. This is supposed to be the ONE COUNTRY where being part of the majority does not afford you ANY protections, any special rights. In this country it is supposed to be the INDIVIDUAL'S rights that get protected FROM the majority. This is EXPLICITLY why we have the Judicial system -- to protect individuals and small groups from the oppresion, bigotry, ignorance, mob rule and zealotry of the majority. That this poster thinks the opposite tells you just how poor our education is, just how far we have strayed.

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"A porn shop is protected freedom of speech right? Oh yea, it's called taste and respect."

So apparently you have no problem with the strip club and the porn shop presently in the same Ground Zero neighborhood? To you their existence must be good taste and respect. Surely you reserve just as much outrage for them? Or...do you just have a problem with places of worship for people you find really scary? Does Momma rock you to sleep?

Originally posted by mjsmor
yeah, the whole "u.s. govt did 911" still doesnt change the fact that I SAW IN VIDEOS MUSLIMS DANCING IN THE STREETS, SOME OF THOSE STREETS IN THE U. S. OF A!!!!! cheering the mayhem of the event, celebrating the deaths of the infidels. so you keep on blaming america, if you are american than islam has you right where they want you.

Can you perhaps point us to videos of people in America dancing and celebrating the attacks of September 11? I would appreciate the opportunity to see that very much. The reason I ask is because I think you have all resorted to making things up in order to justify your hate, that is now based on things you just made up. This is interesting to watch.

I personally don't want a big ugly church full of fat zealots speaking in tongues in my neighborhood, but I respect the Constitution and abide by it.

I say yay even tho I don't live in the USA.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any
bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless
American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit
and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my
Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi
Arabia--where I come from--are not even allowed to own a copy
of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates
and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration
points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates
worshiping privately.

doesn't sound like a 2-way street to me, does it?

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or
deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded
in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. ... As Muslims,
we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish
counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols.
Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of
David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi
establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses
or Stars of David are censored.

cdrsalamander.blogspot.com...


[edit on 17-8-2010 by boondock-saint]

So you wish us to be the "Christian" version of Saudi Arabia? That's what I get out of your post.

I don't blame them if they choose not to. I would be fearful for my own well being and that of the fellow attendees of the mosque. I understand why people are so against it but it's still hateful just the same and seems to me at least that it's just reinforcing the very thing that our terrorist enemies who are Muslim spew at us. When the people rise up and have there say then they must be heard as well. I won't lose any sleep over it either way.

Hey Americans who oppose this mosque, ....

Fair question:
What about the 1000's of "ground zero's" you've been building near mosques in Iraq since 2003...?

Frikin hypocrites...

Maybe you should all protest when a new MC Donalds opens up near Ground zero, for they have been responsible for the death of more Americans then 9/11...

Earlier today, Haaretz reported that Muslim leaders to were planning to abandon plans for the Ground Zero Mosque.

The New York Daily News’ Sam Goldsmith spoke with the developer of the mosque Sharif El-Gamal. El-Gamal said that the rumors were complete misinformation and totally wrong.

source

Also:

Haaretz Reporting Mosque Developers Will Announce Move Away From Ground Zero - UPDATED »

UPDATE from our Sam Goldsmith, who's been following this issue and just got off the phone with Sharif El-Gamal, the developer of the project:

"That's complete misinformation. That's crazy," El-Gamal said.

"That's totally totally wrong. This is more misinformation in this web of misinformation."

"We've never even talked about this as an idea. Everything is on track and moving forward at the same location."

source

peace

Ohhh god this thread is brilliant for one simple fact, many of the posters who are happy about this are the same ones that go on and on about the constant erosion of liberties and the constitution...well, i think they have shown their true colours in this thread, bunch of vile and hypocritical bigots. No surprise, but i will most definitely be calling them out anytime they like to proclaim they are for freedom and liberty, or piss and moan about something being unconstitutional.

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