Obama backs mosque near ground zero

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae


likewise im not to worried bout a satan worshipors opinions either

Originally posted by zefiro
What better way to respond to the world about our traditional Constitutional values and morals than building a mosque near a place attacked in the name of the same religion?

Good question. Loss of sanity?

This is a demonstration to the world that we are smart,

Yep. Loss of sanity.

that we understand that there is a difference between fanatics and the common people in any religion. This is brilliant PR to both European countries AND muslims. Your fanatics attack us, but we welcome your peaceful members.

Probably you are under 40 and know nothing of Islam's history of conquest starting right with their "prophet". A quick wiki search of Mecca or Medina will turn up a lot of info.

Conservatives, think about it for a minute. This is a brilliant strategy unless you like your kids going to war for the next century.

Yeah, a brilliant strategy to get their kids to go their new mosque and learn what a great day 9/11 was.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

likewise im not to worried bout a satan worshipors opinions either

Good. I do not worship Satan. Care about mine?

I actually asked you some questions there and pointed out the sheer ignorance with which you parade you faux knowledge of the constitution. I would like to know how they were so unaware of such a prominent religion that even existed in America at the time of the writing. Why is it the best answer you have is to try and insult me and blow me off? Is that what you consider discussion? Is it just all about you yelling angrily "NO MOSQUE!" in your head because you cannot do it out loud? Instead you pretend it is for some noble cause like respect for the victims or respect for the wishes of the founding fathers but each time you show that you do not know enough about what you pretend to care about to legitimately care about it, you just attack.

Sorry. Not a Satan worshiper here.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by smurfy

 

well when the constiution was written allah wasnt a thought in colonial america


pretty sure christianity was the dominate religion at the time by the way


so those christian beliefs played a large part into its writting

hey now this is my opinion noone is saying you have to agree with anything i say.

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It doesn't matter,
The word God is an English word derived from perhaps a German description of a monotheistic belief system, so Allah is surely God in that particular belief system. Christianity does not come into the premise, other than being part of the God system as Christians see it.

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reply to post by Adevoc Satanae


thats what i get for listening to ats posts thought someone said you were my bad....


careful advec you dont wanna get another warning.



christianity was the dominate religion in colonial america.



or you can put me on ignore and save the time of reading whatever i say in the future if its so wasteful

Even the Christian sects fight among each other. Remember how Roman Catholics were treated in 19th century America? Kind of reminds a person of what's going on now.

reply to post by neo96


Damn I stop to eat dinner and you get mobbed, sorry not here earlier. The simple thing these people do not comprehend nor own is priciples. America yes has had a constiution that came after great American's with "Priciples" did their best to create a document that would leave the people as a majority in control. The message of the founders is simple, "Our country should be based on principles, not greed". I know many of you will attack this, bring it on. It was not based on marxist idealism, not based on some odd new form of government, that should be taken on hundreds of years later that would use the actual contitution against the people. America was made "For the people, by the people!" Rant all you want, those of us who want to keep the principles of America true, will never bow to modern day Political Correctiveness. Sorry, do your damndest to "transform America". We will hold true to our principles and resolve, and shall block attacks by those who will do so verbally or physically with every thing we can! Come on real Americans! Deserve your freedom! Stand up to all those who would obscure it or stand against it. Stand for your principles, not money, not acceptance of everybody. It's about time American's understood our basis and stood on our principals. VS letting a foreign entity build a religeous palace, on the graveyard of the most heinous attack in American history. You Either believe in America from our foundation or you do not. If not, If you are unwilling to back America when a foreign entity wants to stick this Mosque in our face and make us "smell" it. You are not a Loyal American, and I would ask you to leave.

i DONT care if they build a mosque but i DO CARE that theyre building one so close to GROUND ZERO!!

reply to post by smurfy


feel free to disagree with me but the way i see it

as you said god/jesus allah/muhammad are 2 distinct seperate beleif systems

that are not one in the same

those writer of the constitution while they did make the inclusion of all religions

it was based on their beliefs in god and jesus.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

thats what i get for listening to ats posts thought someone said you were my bad....

Is that how you do your research? I have been here the whole time to verify it with but you think someone said something sometime so you go with that? Is that the kind of research done by a person in the know?

careful advec you dont wanna get another warning.

Worry about it for me.

christianity was the dominate religion in colonial america.

But SO WHAT? Really, what does that have to do with the price of eggs at the Chinese market? You said it yourself. Let me remind you again. You said they used a religion neutral word like "creator" because they knew the evil of religious persecution and were against it. Are you trying to say that they meant to exclude Muslims? I know you thought they did not know what a Muslim was because the founding fathers were all ignorant uneducated buffoons but I corrected that for you. So now that you get it and you understand they were AGAINST religious persecution and knew full well what a Muslim was - do you think they meant to exclude Muslims from the freedom of religious persecution or not?

or you can put me on ignore and save the time of reading whatever i say in the future if its so wasteful

So far you are about 50/50 but they all really really make me laugh so no.

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by tungus


If this is their home why do they have to face Mecca when they pray?

Who prays toward their home?

Those whose home is somewhere in another country, or would like it to be in that country.

This is not difficult to grasp. Those who wish to live in America but can't do that yet, often look in the physical direction where they would like to live and wish they were there.

I will fully support this 100% if the Muslim community are willing to allow a Jewish Synagogue to be built at Mecca.

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agreed with the exception of the leaving part

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
Come on real Americans! Deserve your freedom! Stand up to all those who would obscure it or stand against it. Stand for your principles, not money, not acceptance of everybody. It's about time American's understood our basis and stood on our principals. VS letting a foreign entity build a religeous palace, on the graveyard of the most heinous attack in American history. You Either believe in America from our foundation or you do not. If not, If you are unwilling to back America when a foreign entity wants to stick this Mosque in our face and make us "smell" it. You are not a Loyal American, and I would ask you to leave.

OK um...

How is this a foreign entity? This man behind the Mosque is a New Yorker and the people that would be going there would be other New Yorkers.

How are Muslims not real Americans?

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
I will fully support this 100% if the Muslim community are willing to allow a Jewish Synagogue to be built at Mecca.

How about we don't allow it, if Christians are forced to take down the Cross at Auschwitz?

[edit on 14-8-2010 by theWCH]

Originally posted by tungus
Those whose home is somewhere in another country, or would like it to be in that country.

Who is that and what does it have to do with Muslims praying toward Mecca? They are not praying toward their home. What are you talking about?

This is not difficult to grasp. Those who wish to live in America but can't do that yet, often look in the physical direction where they would like to live and wish they were there.

Oh

OK

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
I will fully support this 100% if the Muslim community are willing to allow a Jewish Synagogue to be built at Mecca.

Since no one likes answering this, I am going to ask every time it is relevant.

Why should America lower its standards to match those of people we claim to be better than?

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae


who is perscuting anyone?
whose stopping the from building the mosque?

noone

someone speaks out and suddendly your perscuting someone
soneone speaks out and your stopping them from doing anything.


man making mountains out of molehills.


the only thing anyone has done here has voiced their objections to the mosque and that doesnt mean thats gonna stop anything.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Please. Can you leave the thread Mr.Bush?

Drop the "Your with us or you're our enemy" crap. It doesn't fly here.

I'm not even sure why this is an issue. We have freedom of religion here, this is no reason to deny that right.

Deny the right, and you might regret it later.


There's a catholic church being built in my neighborhood. I don't want it to be there, but it's their land. It's their religion, and I wouldn't dream of denying them either of those things.

So why do you?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

who is perscuting anyone?
whose stopping the from building the mosque?

noone

You and everyone else claiming they do not have the right to build it there.

someone speaks out and suddendly your perscuting someone
soneone speaks out and your stopping them from doing anything.

Maybe look up a word or two. It certainly cannot hurt your spelling to grab a dictionary.

man making mountains out of molehills.

You mean like crying that they need to stop this mosque before terror babies fly a plane into the cornfield outside my house? Tell me about it.

the only thing anyone has done here has voiced their objections to the mosque and that doesnt mean thats gonna stop anything.

You are right and it is really burning a lot of you up aint it!

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