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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
I don't think the OP blamed one side at all. Not that I saw.
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by negativenihil
Reread what I wrote.
Both sides are to blame.
Counter both arguments I made. Don't cherry pick.
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But come ON. This is an issue that politics shouldn't even come into the picture. Yet it did, and now people will suffer because the Republicans were blocked from adding any silly amendments to this bill.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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I don't think the OP blamed one side at all. Not that I saw.
[edit on 8/9/2010 by ~Lucidity]
but in the end it was blocked by House GOP leaders... because they feel it creates "a massive new entitlement program"
It is not the Democrats' fault that the Republicans did not vote for this issue.
Originally posted by negativenihil
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by negativenihil
Reread what I wrote.
Both sides are to blame.
Counter both arguments I made. Don't cherry pick.
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Re-posted for your pleasure:
But come ON. This is an issue that politics shouldn't even come into the picture. Yet it did, and now people will suffer because the Republicans were blocked from adding any silly amendments to this bill.
This should have been an open and shut case, and the 9/11 first responders should be taken care of.
And once again - i really don't care HOW the vote was put up.
There is NO excuse to have voted Nay for this bill. Not the 2/3rd vote, not because of illegal aliens... NO EXCUSES. This was a vote that each and every Representative within the House should have voted for. And i stand by my prior assertion that there was no need to allow an amendments to this bill what so ever.
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
So you are blaming the Republicans.
Thanks for proving my point.
If this would have been put as a simple up or down, it would have passed overwhelmingly (62%>49%)
You are saying it does not matter, because you are falling into the spin of blaming it all on one party.
Both were at fault.
FYI, I am not, nor have ever been a Republican.
Originally posted by negativenihil
This bill failed due to a lack of Republican support. This is a factual statement backed up by the voting record. So yes, i am blaming the Republicans who did not vote Yay for this vote, just as i am blaming the Democrats who voted Nay.
If this would have been put as a simple up or down, it would have passed overwhelmingly (62%>49%)
I think you're sorely mistaken with this assertion that i am solely blaming one side. There are members of both parties who voted Nay on this bill.
If you'd like to break it down to simple numbers, then yes, the Republicans are more at fault due to the sheer number of Nay votes. They failed to do the right thing and instead opted for more BS politics.
That's nice, I don't believe the subject of poster's political affiliation was a subject of debate within this thread.
FYI i'm not the sort of poster who'll sift through someone's prior threads/replies in an effort to frame a debate one way or another
A straight up or down would have been guaranteed passage, but both parties wanted to play games.
Originally posted by whatukno
If they did that, who knows what garbage the GOP would have put into the bill. They might have put in an amendment that was so stupid no one in their right mind would vote for it. The democrats have to do this stupid game, otherwise the GOP will just make every bill useless anyway.
Originally posted by whatukno
If they did that, who knows what garbage the GOP would have put into the bill. They might have put in an amendment that was so stupid no one in their right mind would vote for it. The democrats have to do this stupid game, otherwise the GOP will just make every bill useless anyway.
A straight up or down would have been guaranteed passage, but both parties wanted to play games.
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
If this would have been put as a simple up or down, it would have passed overwhelmingly (62%>49%)
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye
Yea, that's why it goes into committee BEFORE it gets sent out for debate and voted on by the whole body.
Maybe you should read this first...
www.votesmart.org...
HR 847 There is the full text of the bill, the Republicans wanted to add an amendment so that illegal immigrant first responders would be excluded from this. Yes that's right, they wanted to bring the anti immigration movement to this bill. COMPLETELY UNRELATED!
[edit on 8/10/2010 by whatukno]