Raids are increasing on farms and private food-supply clubs

Originally posted by intelinside451
Food is subsidized in this nation for the purpose that the farmers in America have enough supply/demand/profits/cost to produce enough food and now fuel for EVERYONE in America to be able to eat and survive.

It's bad enough as it is that farmers are in general broke. They sit on multi-million dollar lands that are just begging to be subdivided for the next neighborhood. Anyone of these farmers can give in and sell the land off at anytime, give up the life of smelling cow manure on a 90 degree day to buy a nice house on a lake somewhere.

Actually, subsidies are the reason small farmers are losing their shirts!
If we take a trip in the wayback machine, we can see that farming subsidies began in the US in 1933 with the Agricultural Adjustment Act:

The Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) (Pub.L. 73-10, 48 Stat. 31, enacted May 12, 1933) restricted agricultural production in the New Deal era by paying farmers to reduce crop area. Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus so as to effectively raise the value of crops, thereby a portion of their fields lie fallow. The money for these subsidies was generated through an exclusive tax on companies which processed farm products. The Act created a new agency, the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, to oversee the distribution of the subsidies. It is considered the first modern U.S. farm bill.

en.wikipedia.org...
Not a bad idea at the time, helped the little guy (pretty much all farmers were 'the little guy' back then.) But come back to our time, and see what a little lobbying and political donation will get ya:

With the House and Senate close to agreeing on a new $171 billion farm bill, the time is right to take a fresh look at farm policy to ensure that taxpayers are getting their money's worth. Although farm subsidies are justified as helping struggling family farmers make ends meet, the bulk of subsidy payments goes to the largest high-income farms. In fact, current farm policy allocates two out of every three farm subsidy dollars to the top 10 percent of subsidy recipients while completely shutting 60 percent of farmers out of subsidy programs...
...Under this mistargeted system, agriculture policy has become America's largest corporate welfare program. According to the Environmental Working Group, two-thirds of all farm subsidies go to the top 10 percent of subsidy recipients while the bottom 80 percent of recipients receive less than one-sixth of farm subsidies. A full 60 percent of America's farmers do not qualify for any assistance. In 2000 alone, more than 57,500 farms received subsidies totaling over $100,000, and subsidies of at least 154 farms topped $1 million. Among these beneficiaries are fifteen Fortune 500 companies, including Westvaco, Chevron, and John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance, which receive as much as 58 times as much as the median annual subsidy of $935. The current system has caused hardship not only for the taxpayers who pay this enormous subsidy tab, but also for unsubsidized farmers with small farms. Many of the largest, most profitable farms and agribusinesses that have received the lion's share of subsidies have used these funds to buy out smaller farms. In what one agriculture official calls the "plantation effect," family farms with less than 100 acres of land are being bought out by larger agribusinesses, which then convert them into tenant farms. To date, three-quarters of the nation's rice farms have already become tenant farms, and the ownership of other types of farms is beginning to trend in that same direction. In other words, far from saving America's family farms, the current farm subsidy system is destroying them.

www.heritage.org...

Subsidies are broke my friend!

[edit on 17-7-2010 by blamethegreys]

And to follow up with some anecdotal evidence, I live in the Potato Belt in Idaho. Lots of people with money have bought up large tracts of ag land, with the sole purpose of collecting subsidies to not grow anything. Subsidies then pay for the land & taxes, and they get to sit on a real estate investment for free, until a profitable sale can be realized.

Friggin criminal in my book, but that's the fruits of the subsidy system!

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couple this with food shortages.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

i truely wonder how all of this BS can go on even another day, something i can't wrap my mind around.

[edit on 2010.7.17 by Long Lance]

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Yea its a form of feudalism.

Originally posted by faceoff85

Originally posted by intelinside451
First off, I'm going to say that I'm all for this general idea of the government against private farmers.

Food is subsidized in this nation for the purpose that the farmers in America have enough supply/demand/profits/cost to produce enough food and now fuel for EVERYONE in America to be able to eat and survive.

It's bad enough as it is that farmers are in general broke. They sit on multi-million dollar lands that are just begging to be subdivided for the next neighborhood. Anyone of these farmers can give in and sell the land off at anytime, give up the life of smelling cow manure on a 90 degree day to buy a nice house on a lake somewhere.

It's their passion and dedication that allow us to have a steady supply of inexpensive food at any given time in this nation. Show a little appreciation.

Still dont see how the above argument justifies the illegalization of homegrown crops...

But you'd fit right in with the FDA

They will tell you that an egg from a production farm is the same a an egg from a free range bird. They also say that crops grown on man made fertilizer had the same nutritional value as an organic grown crop. The truth is if crops grown in tired soil is only being fetilized by man made products its just not possibel.

As well hybirds like say tomato hybrids are great in they can resist all sorts of things but the first time you eat a well grown heirloom you just know the hybirds are missing something. I ate some heirlooms brought over years ago from Italy passed on by seed and they look, smell and taste...its just that clear... much different.

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Unpasteurised milk can be very dangerous and it makes sense to prevent it being traded. There are ways to make sure it's safe for human consupmtion, simple tests for bacteria are enough, however most people don't have access to such things. I've had raw milk, fresh from the cow but i would prefer to use milk which i know is safe. Pasteurisation has saved many lives and doesn't introduce anything abd to the milk.

Look my family rents a small piece of land where we grow food and we have rented that land for over 60 years so i'm not saying we shouldn't grow and trade our own fruits and vegetables, but certain products do need controlling.

Originally posted by Logarock

They will tell you that an egg from a production farm is the same a an egg from a free range bird. They also say that crops grown on man made fertilizer had the same nutritional value as an organic grown crop. The truth is if crops grown in tired soil is only being fetilized by man made products its just not possibel.

As well hybirds like say tomato hybrids are great in they can resist all sorts of things but the first time you eat a well grown heirloom you just know the hybirds are missing something. I ate some heirlooms brought over years ago from Italy passed on by seed and they look, smell and taste...its just that clear... much different.

In Holland there is something similar we stumble upon. A piece of meat tastes way different from the same animal in canada... we've got growth hormones and government aproved add-ons to food... they'll probably have some of those as well in Canada but you can just taste the difference...

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I prefer a realistic reporting of news with realistic headlines to reflect it and also direct not veiled replies that address all the points made in a particular post.

OK here's direct. I like to call a spade a spade. And a RAID a RAID.
I was not veiled in my statement, just not interested in addressing you in particular. My intent was to address those on this thread who prefer euphemisms, I didn't know you were the only one.

Direct enough?

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I hear you and wouldnt sell mike just use it myself.

But fruit and veg? what in the world. They cant even control coc aine, probably dont want to, but to go after gardens.

Did you guys here about a garden licence? Inspector would actualy came out and look around and stuff. its maddness. They would tax wells if they thought they could get away with it.

reply to post by silent thunder

Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office, Los Angeles County Sheriff, Ventura County Sheriff, and the California Department of Food and Agriculture

Too bad there aren't some names here, then someone could be taking "Names"

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If this is true, and doesn't prove to people that the government is corrupt and in bed with frankenfood companies like Monsanto, and does not hold the public's interests as paramount i don't know what will.

What can justify raiding and stealing wholesome, private food stocks in favour of the turd-on-a-plate food that Monsanto is hell bent on serving up to the world?

Nothing. Except the desire to have the public consume turds on plates, and not wholesome PRIVATELY grown foods, i guess.

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You didn't hear that one about our not underwriting Codex Alimentarius,
being shoved under the rug in Congress, because it's so toxic so as never
get out of commitee??
That's OK, BHO signed another Executive Order. Now it's automatically the law that makes most any decent food illegal. Essentially, that's why the WHO wrote the thing up, to starve us all to death. Ain't tyranny GREAT?

Here's Barbara Peterson's original page,

osurvivingthemiddleclasscrash.wordpress.com...

And to the OP, thanks for the heads-up; and as for the Second Am.,
THEY're most welcome to come and get my unserialized ammo. Oh yeah.

Originally posted by Logarock
But fruit and veg? what in the world. They cant even control coc aine, probably dont want to, but to go after gardens.

Did you guys here about a garden licence? Inspector would actualy came out and look around and stuff. its maddness. They would tax wells if they thought they could get away with it.

I agree that trying to control fruit and veg is ridiculous, unless the seller is making claims about them being organic when they are not.

I think the raids are cenetered around those who sell dairy products, but i could be wrong.

I'm sure food control is on the agenda for big brother. How will they control private gardens. They will use the same tactics Hitler used. They will employ "good" citizens to sqeeeeal, including your own children. Hopefully there will be enough awareness of the situation that people will take a stand.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
I guess somebody didn't read the part of the article
where the milk was making people sick.

I guess you didn't read the part where it said no prove of illiness could be attrirbuted to anything, which means it could not hold up in court.

The investigation, she says, began with a report from a local public-health department last spring about children who had become sick who " had consumed unpasteurized milk." She noted, though, that the children's illness was never traced back to raw milk or any other specific food.

By the way I purchased a small bottle of milk from Walgreens in Bellwood IL corner of Wahington & 25th earlier this summer.

Even though the date was good the milk was not. So I returned it. Only to find that the 2nd bottle was also rotten, so I rerurn that bottle only to find out the the 3rd bottle as also rotten. Thats 3 in a roll. I finally received a not turning bottle of milk from Walgreens only after the 4th bottle.

Now for surely Walgreens needs to be arrested as well. Bet you $10,000 that no one from Walgreens is ever arrested for the selling of rotten milk to children.

How was this milk "rotten"?

In summer, milk will often "thicken" due to heightened temperature. It is a common thing.

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What I was on about specifically was a money raising scheam.....a garden tax idea being tossed around....and inspections for home gardens.

Originally posted by thetruthplease

Originally posted by boondock-saint
I guess somebody didn't read the part of the article
where the milk was making people sick.

I guess you didn't read the part where it said no prove of illiness could be attrirbuted to anything, which means it could not hold up in court.

The investigation, she says, began with a report from a local public-health department last spring about children who had become sick who " had consumed unpasteurized milk." She noted, though, that the children's illness was never traced back to raw milk or any other specific food.

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If say 20% of americans not doing so now could avail themselves of a dairy cow even if on say a community small ranch... say by paying a milking fee ect...Big Milk would have a cow.

You know, when I was a child growing up in Illinois all the produce that I ever consumed came from a local farm. Most of it came from farmers selling their produce from that year's harvest on the side of the road. I remember pulling in and getting corn, fresh tomatoes, fresh asparagus what have you. There where other small farms that grew fresh fruit and would give you a basket to fill as full as you could get it (fresh strawberries, mmmmmm) for next to nothing. Friends of the family would give us tomatoes and Kohlrabi from their gardens.

Isn't this what America is all about?

How can we just sit by and let this, along with every other atrocity in recent times go unpunished?

We are too complacent for our own good.

President Ford once said that "A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take from you everything you have."

Oh and they will without hesitation.

reply to post by bubbabuddha

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I say let millions of backyard gardens bloom, they could never stop it unless they banned growing your own food, or using non-gmo seeds."

This is the answer in the short term til they crank the tyranny up another
notch and ban heirloom seeds.

The day is coming, but it is awhile off just yet.

As to other ppl posting on milk, I think ppl can pasteurize their milk
on their own, and what ppl are trying to avoid is RBGH as it has
been linked to health problems.

Monsanto milk - the GMO ppl want in your other food too

If you get a chance go to google video and watch Food Inc.

Also google RBGH and look around a bit more.

Lots of info out there.

Bad times indeed.