Are WE God? The TRUE meaning of life, with scientific evidence!

I grew up in a Christian upbringing most of my early life, then I decided, after much debate, to just try to seek my own truths. It was hard at first, but through meditation and reading various books, I think I found a deep understanding of our existence, at least as close as I can come to some “meaning”.

I find it very hard to believe that religions and hardcore scientists have not reached a compromising solution to the problem of our existence. We can go to the moon, we can bust holes in the sea for oil, we can figure out quantum equations, but our brains are still very much a mystery to us. I do, however, believe that some humans have gotten closer to understanding the true “meaning” of why we are here, and using their writings, along with my own deductions, I feel that the ancient peoples had a lot more knowledge about our existence than we thought. That led me to research some very convincing theories that, for the most part, cover every religion’s belief in “something bigger”.
Without going into too much detail, open your mind and heart and try to grasp what I am about to show you.

One answer to the question of the meaning of life is that humans are here simply to just enjoy life and strive for a happy existence. Sigmund Freud called this view the pleasure principle. The main idea behind this is that humanity is meant to experience maximum pleasure and minimum pain.

The humanistic branch of psychology, most associated with Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers, grew out of a need for more personal meaning than Freud’s psychoanalysis was thought to offer. Humanistic psychologists concentrated on individual potential and purpose in life.

Existentialists hold the philosophical viewpoint that humans make individual choices in this existence known as life. As Jean Paul Sartre said "Man is nothing else but that which he makes of himself." In this view, personal freedom may be seen as having the potential of both positive and negative outcomes depending on the choices one makes.
This brings us to our brain, which all of the previously mentioned researchers came back to. Our brain is the control center of everything we do and think about, including what I am writing now. Using some research from books I found and online resources, as well as speaking with several neurologists, I feel that the theory I have come up with is pretty simple, but also has some pretty huge repercussions, as I have been flamed for what I think by various people close to me and not so close to me.

My research always brings me back to the ancient people, namely the Egyptians, who scientists have shown did surgical procedures on the brain. Needless to say, their knowledge about the human brain was a lot more intensive than we first thought. I then started reading about the Eye of Horus, a symbol found in the majority of their writings.

In Egyptian myth the eye was not the passive organ of sight but more an agent of action, protection or wrath. The Eye of Horus was intended to protect the king in the afterlife and to ward off evil. The mirror image, or left eye, sometimes represented the moon and the god Thoth. Thoth, in their beliefs, was considered one of the more important deities of the Egyptian pantheon. Knowing this, as well as their extensive knowledge of the brain, I saw a connection that many people have made. Look at this:



The above image shows the Egyptian Eye of Horus (or Eye of Ra) and how it precisely matches exact formation of the thalamus within the human brain, including the pineal gland.
Many shaman have entered other realms by inducing “higher consciousness” through stimulating the pineal gland (through Ayahuasca).
In the case of Ayahuasca it induces a sleep like trance and the person under its influence wants to keep his eyes closed, since the external world is of little interest and that this state of reverie is more like a state of alertness since EEG recordings show a disappearance of alpha waves when the patient’s eyes are closed.
Themes of pineal gland stimulation are the following:

1. The soul is believed to separate from the physical body and make a trip, normally with the sensation of flight and rapid movement. Eight people in one group of 35 experienced visions or feelings of their own death. It is a process of becoming dissociated and leaving one's body. There seem to be regular occurrences of flying at high speed, or even weightlessness, some have described it as “having wings”.

2. Visions of crocodiles, reptiles in general, snakes in particular tigers, leopards, and cats. They all seem to imply danger and a relation with the dynamic aspects of rage and movement.

3. Another important theme which is difficult to fully classify is that of the mythic or religious theme which seems to surface in many individuals who take this drug. In one group 18 out of 35 (volunteers from Chile not natives) came face to face with religious themes, 5 with the devil, 3 with angels, and 2 had a vision of Christ and the others were various religious visions.

4. Sensations of seeing distant people or places and interpreted as clairvoyance

5. Divinatory experiences, for example seeing the enactment of a crime committed in the past, or unsolved mysteries that at times the individual is able to access because of his state.

This drug can be taken by the shaman and in a state of controlled trance use its potential to be able to access states otherwise closed off to our normal everyday experience. It has a quality of essentially playing out mythic and archetypal themes in a state that does not quite overwhelm the recipient but enables him to connect with deeper issues that were waiting to be released in his subconscious.

Using these experiments, plus the similarities of Egyptian writings, I came to a simple conclusion. God is inside us. We are God. There is no need to worry, because simply BEING is enough. Our third eye (pineal gland) is literally the seat of our “soul”. I don’t think it is a coincidence that '___', Peyote, and ayahuasca, all mind-opening drugs but all illegal drugs, are naturally occurring in nature. Something tells me our government and TPTB know SOMETHING, which is why they suppress these drugs so much. We need to feed the rats in the rat race.

Ancient shaman would enter the other realms of existence, and tell us there was nothing to fear. We should be happy and content JUST BEING HERE, experiencing all that “life” has to offer. I have much more information, and if you all like this theory, I can keep posting my findings. For now, I leave you with this:

“Once you stop worrying what life is all about, what religion is all about, and what the universe is all about, you’ll be a lot happier, because it’s ALL YOURS. All of it. Be content that you are here, now, and everything is as it should be. Stop worrying and just LIVE. That is what we are here for, to enjoy the ride…”-Bestideayet (me)

reply to post by bestideayet


There's nothing really new here.
People should just live their lives without striving for 'whatever'.
There is a great freedom to be had!
However people will want to experience this inner/outer realm for themselves, then of course it all gets complicated.
And sometimes knowledge alone won't conquer fear.
You don't need the Egyptian eye to support this theory, in fact it may detract from it.

reply to post by midicon


I thought it was a great post, I had already heard everything besides the Egyptian Eye, which I thought was interesting because I had never seen it before.

You said you were brought up christian. In the very book itself it also states what you have come to believe. I got this from my grandma who's very devout..
I told my grandparents about 9/11 about 2 years ago, they since returned and confirmed my own findings with their own twists, however my grandmother had a gem for me.

biblebrowser.com...

(I usually hate reading christian threads with pages of bible text.. however this is quite relevant!)

13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

She explained to me that god said he is 'I AM' and that we are all god. This blew my socks off as it pretty much dissolves christianity on the spot as far as I understand it.

However your line of reasoning fits in with mine. We are made of stars, from the stars we came and to the stars we aim. We are all the same substance as everything else at a base level, merely waves of energy. Therefore I believe we are no more or less god than a pebble... as each can change a timeline just as much.

Yeah, think the same like the other posters. It´s quite common knowlege inside of thruthseeker circles. But you gained a star and flag from me for the pic! Thats new to me!
Also i know that on '___' you have alot 2d vision. Maybe thats the reason the egyptians painted only 2d... would fit to your pic... But also that would mean we have to look over all the stuff they left once again, with this conclusion...

Have a look into my thread series starting down in my signature... would be nice to discuss with you...


Peace love and light,
let u guide by higher i


Jim

reply to post by midicon


Thanks for the replies, I just made the pineal gland/'___' experience connection with the Egyptian eye from another text I read. It basically talked about the pineal gland in reptiles actually BEING like an eye that opens and closes. The pineal gland was called the "third eye" by ancient people & was thought to have mystical powers. This may be why the French philosopher Descartes decided that the pineal gland was the seat of the human soul, the location of what we call the mind. The pineal does contain a complete map of the visual field of the eyes, and it plays several significant roles in human functioning. I found it insanely interesting that the Egyptians probably knew this WAY before modern science. It is all just a theory, but what isn't?

reply to post by darkbake


Oh just wait, I found some other interesting works of art that predate our research that show somewhat of a God/Brain connection!

It blows my mind....

reply to post by GhostR1der


Wow thanks for that link! I had read the verse, but never took it into consideration, my grandmother would also quote the "I AM" (as a matter of fact, we bought a Grand "Am" when I was a kid because of it-- NO JOKE!).

But I can definitely see how the prophets of the past told us plainly who we really are, yet it got garbled somehow by men wanting the power for themselves.

Interesting read, definitely...

reply to post by JimIrie


Yes, I agree that it would have a huge impact on what we thought they were trying to say. It would also explain a lot of their religious views on the afterlife. I wasn't taught much about Egyptians in school, so I will look at their stuff as an adult with a pretty open mind.

U2U me, let's have a talk if you like, I'm open to it definitely.

reply to post by bestideayet

Hi, thanks for replying,
Does the pineal contain a complete map of the visual field?
If it does, is this three dimensional?
Would this give a clue to the two dimensional aspect of 'whatever'

Does the pineal contain a complete map of the visual field?

Yes, it actually looks like it does from my research.

If it does, is this three dimensional?

Everything I have read points to a two-dimensional field of view..
Would this give a clue to the two dimensional aspect of 'whatever'

The pineal gland contains a complete map of the visual field of the eyes, and it plays several significant roles in human functioning.

Here's a pretty informative site:
www.strayreality.com...

Thanks for a great thread. I agree with you that we are effectively god, or at least an extension of god. There is no doubt god is within all of us. What our objective should be is to raise our consciousness so that we understand more of what is around us.

I have a very simplistic theory which I often contemplate. It is a humourous scenario but probably closer to the truth than it seems.

First there is 'god' or the eternal 'it'. Then God wants to know who he is. To do this he steps out of himself and for the first time can see himself. The he goes on a journey, not by travelling but by sending probes (us) and so forth. This is not only kabalistic but also close to Eastern philosophy.




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my theory is that the reason psychedelics are banned is because it would allow more people to tap into their subconscious and experience higher states of reality.

as for the title "Are We God" I think yes, we are all creators, and of course if we all come from God, we are of the nature of God, even though we are in human bodies.

Premise: God is everything minus evolutionary development that comes through involution. When the organ that eventually evolves through developmental cycles becomes God them it begins to fulfill its true self.

Existence exists to fulfill itself. There are of course nuances in time that deal with two things: Involution and evolution.

Involution is the aspect of God that examines lower aspects of itself through corruption that involves creation and distortion of itself in time for a time . . . then it begins its evolution to fulfill its true self or nature.

The concept of the fall of man is involution.

The return to God as exists in genuine metaphysics is evolution

In all of this there is no personality of the lower self that is permanent therefore in reality there is nothing but God

This thread led me to a lot of research today, thanks! I learned a hell of a lot!

Hey people, been away for a while, enjoying hot summer days with my family and nephews..

I don't think there's a one-dimensional answer to this. I think the question itself is kind of absurd. Some might say that - at least from a biological point of view - it's multiplying. But I think everyone knows that there's way more to life than that.

This subject has been discussed here over and over, in many forms. From one point of view, we are simple creatures, no radically different from an ant. From another, we are highly complex beings, even gods. So its always about the scale.

The current trend of seeking immortality amuses me.. who the hell even wants to live forever? IMO these people are cooking a personal hell for themselves. Physical immortality.. bah. Keeping up a physical body by force doesn't really sound such a great idea to me. The history is full of examples of people reaching for the sun, in one form or another, and burning themselves.

The current idea of consciousness it that it's like a blank paper on which everything we experience in life leaves marks. Approaching this subject purely from a scientific point of view leads to IMHO stiff materialism. It doesn't really give you any insight how life feels like.

Nice information. But I think any true spirituality will help to solve problems down here on Earth. We need to learn and grow, but with a lot of some of the things I read, there is no tangible effect on other people. If there isn't a tangible effect on other people, then there is nothing and the "knowledge" is bunk.

S&F from me for this thread. Ultimately I agree with this tao. Energy cannot be destroyed nor created, only transferred. If this is so, we are just transferred energy from our creator, as is everything else that is on this earth made by us or our creator.

I am very much interested in exploring the third eye. Thank you for this thread. Have you ever herd of Salvia Divinorum? It is used by many Mazatec shamans.

reply to post by InnerTruths


I guess a lot of people here have heard about the Diviners Mint, but if you've read the rules it's not allowed to talk about illegal substances here, at least not directly

I think that this is not about substances. They all serve a purpose, that's for sure. They all have their use. If you want some info on the Ajna chakra (third eye), there are several threads here. Yoga is the way.